caldo2025 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2018, 07:03
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 18:11
caldo2025 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018, 16:48
YOU SAID THAT HE FOUNDED THE COMPANY....Do you understand what FOUNDED means? Conte was consulted when VADA was created. CONSULTED....a CONSULTANT...because he is the godfather of steriods in pro sports. He never FOUNDED VADA or ever had a piece of VADA ownership or even a morsel of stock in the company. So you are completely, 100%...freaking wrong dude. Just admit and shut your pie hole for once because you had your lunch handed to you. Just admit it and more people wouldn't vomit when you post things.
Now you're changing his importance to VADA by saying "Victor Conte helped set-up Vada". NO...you can't go back and say that now. You said that Victor Conte Founded VADA. That's what you said so don't go back now and be a complete loser and minimize things so that you may be slightly correct. No integrity whatsoever in your body. I was wrong back in 2014 i think and I admitted it after denying it for months. You too could do it.
Don't use straw mans'. Instead quote my actual words, which were:
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑16 Nov 2018, 01:13Victor Conte is a co-founder of VADA and has close ties with Dr. Margaret Goodman, as well as being a strong critic of any rival drug testing organisations that operate strictly under the WADA protocol, such as USADA.
I didn’t pretend that Conte “owned” or “ran” VADA. I didn’t claim he was “employed” by VADA. And nor did I claim that Conte was the main person who “invented” the concept behind VADA.
I did claim that he was one of their co-founders’ as he helped set that organisation up.
I then supplied multiple articles supporting my stance (and Victor's) about him helping with the creation of VADA.
I talked the talk and walked the walk. It's a shame you can only attack my facts with insults instead of evidence.
Who Is Considered a Founder of an Organization?
The founders of an organization are those who bring that organization into existence. Founders take an active interest in getting the enterprise off the ground and finding resources to form the company. When two or more people establish a company, they are known as co-founders...
The following articles I’ve supplied below were published before VADA was officially launched, which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Victor Conte was involved in the creation of this organisation (click on the hyperlinks if you don’t believe me):
Victor Conte Launching Anti-Doping Task Force VADA!
Victor Conte Launching Anti-Doping Task Force VADA; WADA Aims to Develop Advanced EPO and HGH Testing
He was once the center of federal investigation and served a jail term for providing professional athletes with performance enhancing drugs. Considered as one of America’s top sports scientist, Victor Conte will again plunge himself into the sports industry by sharing his expertise in performance enhancers. But this time it is not about providing athletes with designer steroids. Conte will be launching a new anti-doping agency together with other health experts in the country.
Conte told Dennis Guillermo of Boxing Scene that a new anti-doping task force will soon become operational. Its goal is to provide athletes with the most comprehensive drug testing. Conte calls this VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency.) “We’ve been working on this since September of last year and we hope to implement it in the near future,” Conte said. However, a definite date has not been set. “How soon that can be, whether it’s going to be in days, weeks or months, I can’t tell you. But it’s going to be in the near future.”
"Conte Aims To Clean Up Boxing With His Team, VADA"
“I'm going to tell you something that we've never disclosed to anybody before. And we've been working on this and I'll tell you some of the names, because this has been written about in some boxing magazines. Dr. Margaret Goodman (former ringside physician and Medical Advisory Board Chairman for the Nevada State Athletic Commission), Dr. Flip Hamonsky (Former Nevada commissioner), I'm involved, and there's another very high profile anti-doping world renowned expert involved. We'll reveal who this is shortly, but he is one of the most credible people in the world of anti-doping,” Conte told me.
The program is structured so that athletes can voluntarily submit themselves to Olympic-style random drug testing which will be paid for by sponsors to alleviate worries about cost for fighters willing to step forward to show their desire to clean up the sport of boxing.
“It's called VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency). You're probably reading between the lines here on what have I been talking to Zab (Judah) about, what have I been talking to Nonito (Donaire) about, what have I been talking to Virgil Hunter about (Andre Ward's trainer)," Conte further explained to me. "We've been working on this since September of last year and we hope to implement it in the near future. How soon that can be, whether it's going to be in days, weeks or months, I can't tell you. But it's going to be in the near future.”
You can’t be this dumb. Ever take a business course? Here’s the definition of a Founder to end the fight. Can’t belive you are THIS dumb dude. Your pasted above have nothing to do with FOUNDING VADA, just working for VADA on task force. Here’s the definition per Forbes:
Strictly speaking, in business the founders are the people who establish the company—that is, they take on the risk and reward of creating something from nothing. Remember, an idea by itself is not a company, though most companies start as an idea. Some companies start out as one person’s idea and stay that way. More commonly one or two people might have an idea but then recruit a group to help execute the idea (because ideas are worthless without execution).
The people who recruit that group and get execution going are founders. They split the original ownership in some way, and then work to bring in the resources they need to build an enterprise. Everyone who comes in after this initial ownership division is not. Most are employees, though there are all kinds of additional people resources a startup will eventually utilize. Everyone who is not a founder either works for, partners with, sells to, buys from, or invests in the founder or founders.
Victor Conte was one of several individuals who was instrumental in the creation of VADA.
You previously claimed that I was mistaken, based on his previous affiliation with BALCO, but now it seems you finally recognise that he was involved in the creation of VADA.
I’ve proved it and it’s far too easy to verify.
If you want to avoid debating Victor Conte and instead discuss the dictionary definition of the word “co-founder”, is there an off-topic English language BoxRec board where we can move this debate to?
Either way, it seems that you finally acknowledge all the evidence that I’ve cited that proved that Victor Conte spent 18 months helping to create VADA, regardless as to whether he met your expected dictionary definition of him being a “co-founder” or not.
For the record, I’ve supplied a shît load of evidence (website links) to support my stance but you’ve supplied absolutely fûck all!
A few people might support you, because they want to see me lose an argument, but the very same set of individuals do so whilst refusing to acknowledge real-world facts!
