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Rob3_142 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 19:11

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 15:26

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 11:05 I can’t help thinking that Usyk needs to face a few legitimate heavyweights that can test his chin in order to determine whether the Ukraine can cope with heavier blows than what he’s normally accustomed to.

Tony Bellew was never a fully-fledged heavyweight and the Brit never beat one either. The ‘Bomber’ had to lose around 40lbs in order to achieve the 200lbs cruiserweight limit for last weekend’s bout. I’m not saying that this unduly affected the outcome of the fight, but no one should pretend that this was Usyk proving himself at heavyweight either.

For sure, Oleksandr can gain a certain amount of weight to be regarded as a fully-fledged heavyweight, but surely he needs to acclimatise himself to facing bigger men that are willing to walk through his shots, whilst employing rough-house tactics, in order to land their own heavier blows.

Even though I feel that the Ukraine is a supremely gifted fighter, I still think it’s too premature to speculate on the outcome of a potential bout between Usyk and Joshua, since this fight won't happen any sooner than the second half of 2020 (at the earliest).

People should refrain from prematurely granting Oleksandr Usyk an honorary rite of passage to being regarded as the future king of the heavyweights, based purely on his victories over 200lb-ers.

Perhaps I’m being unreasonable and people will be deeply offended by this hideously outrageous post, so I apologise in advance for any offence caused

He already fought Gassiev, Briedis, and Huck. Briedis and Huck have both ventured and been competitive at HW. Gassiev hits hard enough to stop any HW. Not sure what the hell else you want.

Also, Michael Hunter is making noise at HW too. These guys Usyk beat are HW's that drain down to make CW.

If you're using Hammer as a barometer of success in the heavyweight division, I'd advise you to keen looking. Breidis and Huck are completely irrelevant in the heavyweight arena

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 18:28

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 18:24

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 18:21
I don't find any of that compelling. If after he fights as a HW, I may change my mind, but nothing makes me think he'd be overly successful moving up. Hunter? Really?

You may as well say Kownacki, really? Hunter stopped Kilzade just like Joyce and Kownacki did. Joyce is considered a threat, yet his resume isn't even head-and-shoulders above Hunter's. Do you think Hunter would lose to a guy like Lenroy Thomas?

Your talking about Hunter and Lenroy Thomas as an argument for Usyk beating AJ? I simply don't agree with your thought process. Nothing to end the world.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 03:23

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 21:35

Blodhemn wrote: ↑11 Nov 2018, 19:14 I've had Usyk over Joshua since the beginning. The disparity in skills is too vast. The only issue is the insane bias against an outsider fighting in the UK. Easily the most corrupt place in boxing currently, even worse than Vegas given the frequency of events.

Vegas is by far the worst. NYC second worst. UK a distant 3rd.

If Usyk fights Joshua he'll probably weigh about 212 to 222. Povetkin weighed 222 and he was beating up Joshua until he ran out of gas. Usyk is younger and phenominally skillful.

You are a retard.

Loynesy wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 14:22 I'm guessing James is using the insult for your utterly absurd statement that Povetkin was beating up Joshua. That is utter nonsense.

candyslim wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 04:43 I thought that would secure him a comfortable win over Povetkin but it was anything but comfortable. Thanks to Takam and Povetkin, Joshua's poor nose must be one of the most abused schnozzles of 2017/8

Seriously, Sasha demonstrated what a technically accomplished shorter man, adept in the ways of being the shorter man, can do in terms of closing the range and landing on even a technically proficient taller boxer. Povetkin's undoing was to a large degree a result of his advancing years, he was unable to sustain the physical effort and maybe the concentration levels to steer clear of AJ's punches over the long haul.

Usyk is younger and probably at his peak. I don't foresee him running out of steam in the way Povetkin did, and I would rate Usyk as an even more skillful fighter than Povetkin, and taller besides. Where he compares less favourably to Povetkin is in not being as used to conceding height and thus needing to find a compensating strategy, and also he probably doesn't hit as hard.

Bellew would I'm sure tell you that Usyk punches quite hard enough, but Bellew isn't a 250 lb behemoth like Joshua and I don't think AJ needs to be as wary of his power as he was, say Povetkin or Joe Parker for example. I do think if you don't have the artillery to prevent AJ from taking liberties, then you've got a very serious problem.

Make no mistake though Usyk would be a very real test for Joshua even if they were each other's next opponent.

Loynesy wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 14:22 I'm guessing James is using the insult for your utterly absurd statement that Povetkin was beating up Joshua. That is utter nonsense.

fanman wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 17:24 i think joshua wins, only a genius would say otherwise. i guess josh can be ko'd or outboxed by fury, but not by a smaller man.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 15:30

candyslim wrote: ↑13 Nov 2018, 04:43 I thought that would secure him a comfortable win over Povetkin but it was anything but comfortable. Thanks to Takam and Povetkin, Joshua's poor nose must be one of the most abused schnozzles of 2017/8

Seriously, Sasha demonstrated what a technically accomplished shorter man, adept in the ways of being the shorter man, can do in terms of closing the range and landing on even a technically proficient taller boxer. Povetkin's undoing was to a large degree a result of his advancing years, he was unable to sustain the physical effort and maybe the concentration levels to steer clear of AJ's punches over the long haul.

Usyk is younger and probably at his peak. I don't foresee him running out of steam in the way Povetkin did, and I would rate Usyk as an even more skillful fighter than Povetkin, and taller besides. Where he compares less favourably to Povetkin is in not being as used to conceding height and thus needing to find a compensating strategy, and also he probably doesn't hit as hard.

Bellew would I'm sure tell you that Usyk punches quite hard enough, but Bellew isn't a 250 lb behemoth like Joshua and I don't think AJ needs to be as wary of his power as he was, say Povetkin or Joe Parker for example. I do think if you don't have the artillery to prevent AJ from taking liberties, then you've got a very serious problem.

Make no mistake though Usyk would be a very real test for Joshua even if they were each other's next opponent.

I can see Usky winning several of the early rounds, but it would be a strategy which requires a lot of movement, and getting in and out of the pocket without getting hurt.

AJ is technically proficient, he's not a crude slugger, and at some point though, he is going to be able to land, and I don't see Usky hurting him without a sustained barrage of shots.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 17:12

Loynesy wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 14:22 I'm guessing James is using the insult for your utterly absurd statement that Povetkin was beating up Joshua. That is utter nonsense.

Povetkin WAS beating up Joshua for the first three rounds.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 05:19

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 17:12

Loynesy wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 14:22 I'm guessing James is using the insult for your utterly absurd statement that Povetkin was beating up Joshua. That is utter nonsense.

Povetkin WAS beating up Joshua for the first three rounds.

No he wasn't. He was having success, and won some rounds, at no point was Joshua being beaten up - unlike Povetkin, who was absolutely battered senseless.

You're a fantasist.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 10:25

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 05:19

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 17:12

Povetkin WAS beating up Joshua for the first three rounds.

No he wasn't. He was having success, and won some rounds, at no point was Joshua being beaten up - unlike Povetkin, who was absolutely battered senseless.

You're a fantasist.

Talk about fantasizing. Povetkin was beating the piss out of Joshua. Guy is old as hell and hadn't looked good for a while prior to the fight.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 10:25

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 05:19

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 17:12

Povetkin WAS beating up Joshua for the first three rounds.

No he wasn't. He was having success, and won some rounds, at no point was Joshua being beaten up - unlike Povetkin, who was absolutely battered senseless.

You're a fantasist.

Talk about fantasizing. Povetkin was beating the piss out of Joshua. Guy is old as hell and hadn't looked good for a while prior to the fight.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 10:25

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 05:19

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑14 Nov 2018, 17:12

Povetkin WAS beating up Joshua for the first three rounds.

No he wasn't. He was having success, and won some rounds, at no point was Joshua being beaten up - unlike Povetkin, who was absolutely battered senseless.

You're a fantasist.

Talk about fantasizing. Povetkin was beating the piss out of Joshua. Guy is old as hell and hadn't looked good for a while prior to the fight.

greg wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 10:48 Povetkin was no doubt competitive, it was clear though how it will end..pretty much like Bellew vs Usyk..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 15:56 I no it’s not the right thread. But when Holyyfield moved to HW, most HW’s weighed around 220-230. He able to fight well on the inside too. Now days HW’s hardly work out and weight over 240 lbs. with the exception of a few. This is were Usyk might find it a little harder.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 17:00

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 15:56 I no it’s not the right thread. But when Holyyfield moved to HW, most HW’s weighed around 220-230. He able to fight well on the inside too. Now days HW’s hardly work out and weight over 240 lbs. with the exception of a few. This is were Usyk might find it a little harder.

I don't know about that. The fighters are much worse. Bert Cooper would be hell for fury or wilder. Maybe aj too.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 17:00

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑15 Nov 2018, 15:56 I no it’s not the right thread. But when Holyyfield moved to HW, most HW’s weighed around 220-230. He able to fight well on the inside too. Now days HW’s hardly work out and weight over 240 lbs. with the exception of a few. This is were Usyk might find it a little harder.

I don't know about that. The fighters are much worse. Bert Cooper would be hell for fury or wilder. Maybe aj too.