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jamamb wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 17:56 efe should do well. he looks a bit slow and stiff to me, but a big powerful guy can go far these days. hes technically pretty sound too despite not having much am experience. but hes not someone who i think should be fast tracked to a title shot in the next year or so. he needs more development for sure imo.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 17:46 That was then. This is now. It's not uncommon for a particular fighter to be better than others at the pro level who may have been better at the ams. Efe has come a long way and will continue to lap both of them. You have a lot of knowledge, but it's mostly poor.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 18:22 Efe Ajagba had less than ten amateur bouts and got manhandled by Ivan Dychko 2½ years ago. The Nigerian hasn’t scored a single notable victory during the course of his very short nine bout career in the pro ranks.

In stark contrast…

Ivan Dychko captured two silvers and one bronze in the world championships, as well as two bronze medals in the Olympics. The Kazakhstani competed in 199 amateur bouts, losing only 18 of them, which includes victories over the likes of Zhang Zhilei, Filip Hrgovic, Erislandy Savon and Efe Ajagba.

Tony Yoka won gold medals at the Olympics and world championships, has beaten Joseph Parker, Filip Hrgovic, Ivan Dychko and Joe Joyce in the amateurs.

If you feel that possessing decent amateur pedigree in the pro ranks is irrelevant, then please explain the reason for the success achieved by the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Vasyl Lomachenko and Gennady Golovkin.

For the record, I’m not saying that Efe Ajagba doesn’t have potential, but I do believe that he’s currently overrated, because he’s achieved very little during his very short career in the sport of boxing. He needs time to learn his trade. At this moment in time, he won't possess the skill levels of fellow prospects like Joe Joyce, Tony Yoka or Ivan Dychko.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 17:42 Dychko manhandled Ajagba in the amateurs.
Yoka is a more accomplished amateur than Dychko.

You are underrating the talents of Yoka and Dychko, possibly due to a lack of knowledge.

Boxtune wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 18:28 Ajaba was 21 years old at Olympic and he started boxing late, means yoka and dychko were 3-4 years older than Ajagba at the time. You are smoking crack Mr. Knowledge

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 18:25 not what I said.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 18:33 You're saying that Efe Ajagba's current boxing ability has already overtaken the likes of Tony Yoka, Ivan Dychko and perhaps even Joe Joyce, even though the Nigerian prospect has only had nine amateur bouts and nine fights in the pro ranks, coupled with him being completely manhandled 2½ years ago by the aforementioned Ivan Dychko

You've implied that hundreds of amateur bouts and several years competing in the sport is totally irrelevant, since you only need to spend a 1½ years being trained by Ronnie Shields, whilst facing nine no-hoper's instead.

Therefore, you clearly feel that possessing a decent amateur pedigree in the pro ranks is irrelevant, regardless the success achieved by the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Vasyl Lomachenko and Gennady Golovkin.

Boxtune wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 18:28 Ajaba was 21 years old at Olympic and he started boxing late, means yoka and dychko were 3-4 years older than Ajagba at the time. You are smoking crack Mr. Knowledge

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 18:36 Nope. Not what I said. In addition your deduction is asinine. Keep going.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 18:42 Your claim about Ajagba already being better than the likes of Yoka, Joyce and Dychko confirms this. You won't address the points I've raised, because you can't. Your own words supports my counter-argument, because it seems you feel that hundreds of amateur bouts and several years' worth of competing in the sport is totally irrelevant, regardless the success achieved by the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Vasyl Lomachenko and Gennady Golovkin.

Efe Ajagba has competed in only fifteen rounds in the pro ranks, all against nine no-hoper's. He only won eight bouts in the amateurs. He was dominated and man-handled by Ivan Dychko.

How the hell could he have already overtaken the pugilistic skills of Yoka, Joyce and Dychko, who all possess particularly impressive amateur pedigrees, during the course of several years of being active participants in the sport of boxing, spanning hundreds of amateur bouts?

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 18:53 No it doesn't. When you get what I said right, we can move on. Your points are based on your own assumptions and implications and not at all reflecting what I said.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 18:57 So you’re now denying your previous claim about Ajagba already being better than Yoka, Dychko and Joyce?

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 17:23 thanks BT. I have that imbecile on ignore and you go and include his inane blabbering in your reply. LMAO! Efe could beat Dychko and Yoka right now. I'd be uncertain about Joyce due to Joyce's advantage in experience in pros and ams.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:03 I don't deny that. But don't put words in my mouth about amateur records and experience not mattering. I said that it's not uncommon for a fighter in the amateurs to be better in the pros than fighters who may have been better than them in the ams. You then went off into some rant about amateur experience not being relevant. You see, EO...that's what I cannot stand about your posts. You go off on some wild 'implication' of what a poster meant, rather than what they post. That's what girls do. They think everything a guy says means something else. If you want me to unignore you, promise that you'll stop doing that. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation in this matter.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:10 Efe Ajagba has competed in only fifteen rounds in the pro ranks, all against nine no-hoper's. He only won eight bouts in the amateurs. He was dominated and man-handled by Ivan Dychko.

How the hell could he have already overtaken the pugilistic skills of Yoka, Joyce and Dychko, who all possess particularly impressive amateur pedigrees?

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:19 I didn't say Joyce. Stop lying. Here's a question...how did Mike Tyson overtake Tyrell Biggs, whom he lost to in the amateurs and quite convincingly? Biggs beat Lewis in 1984 (5-0). How did Lewis get better than Biggs? Some amateurs are more successful at pros than their amateur counterparts who were better than them in the amateurs. What's so difficult?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:30 Tyson and Lewis both gained considerable experience in the pro ranks.

For instance: Tyson competed in 54 amateur bouts, which is six times more than Ajagba has. So ‘Iron’ Mike had time to learn his craft.

He’d also competed in 31 bouts in the ro ranks prior to facing Biggs.

Efe Ajagba has competed in less than fourteen rounds in the pro ranks and only won eight fights in the amateurs.

The Nigerian hasn’t learned his trade yet.

In terms of the learning curve, he’s well behind Joyce, Yoka and Dychko (all of whom you’d previously claimed Ajagba was capable of beating).

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:33 My Lord EO. I think he can beat Dychko and Yoka. I said no to Joyce. You are impossible. I'm done with you (again). I tried.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:38 You clearly did say Joyce. Here are your actual words:

“Efe could beat Dychko and Yoka right now. I'd be uncertain about Joyce due to Joyce's advantage in experience in pros and ams.”

Being “uncertain” doesn’t mean you think that Ajagba couldn’t beat Joyce.

Your follow up statements also confirm your belief that Efe could possibly beat Joyce.

Therefore, you clearly feel that possessing a decent amateur pedigree in the pro ranks is irrelevant, regardless the success achieved by the likes of Oleksandr Usyk, Vasyl Lomachenko and Gennady Golovkin.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2019, 19:40 You are unstable, so clearly you didn't take your meds.

Boxtune wrote: ↑26 Apr 2019, 11:29 https://www.BS.com/photos-efe-ajagba-mi ... er--138361

Ajagba looks at least 3 inches taller than 6'5" Michael Wallisch on face off today . It's proves Ajagba is taller than Deonty wilder

oogiebe wrote: ↑26 Apr 2019, 12:10 He is towering over him. I doubt he's more than 6'6". Maybe he has heels??