Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 17:02
by Onetimeonly
Nondescript wrote: ↑22 Jun 2019, 16:38
Yeah, once there's a clinch, the ref doesn't break them up. You're allowed to just continue punching.
That's helpful.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 17:15
by Lackeos
I feel like some people in this thread don't understand how much better boxers are at boxing than Joe Schmoes are. If not for the fact that Malignaggi is probably going to break his hands in the opening seconds, I'd probably place the betting odds around 1:50.
This match-up is like Antonio Tarver vs Kimbo Slice in essentially a boxing match. In the sport of boxing, the gap between top boxers and MMA fighters is huge. Which, btw, Artem Lobov is 13–15–1 in MMA, which is his primary sport. It's not as though Lobov even reached the top 10 in MMA (and even then a #1 MMA fighter generally can't compete with a #40 boxer in a boxing match).
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 17:48
by Nondescript
Lackeos wrote: ↑22 Jun 2019, 17:15
I feel like some people in this thread don't understand how much better boxers are at boxing than Joe Schmoes are. If not for the fact that Malignaggi is probably going to break his hands in the opening seconds, I'd probably place the betting odds around 1:50.
This match-up is like Antonio Tarver vs Kimbo Slice in essentially a boxing match. In the sport of boxing, the gap between top boxers and MMA fighters is huge. Which, btw, Artem Lobov is 13–15–1 in MMA, which is his primary sport. It's not as though Lobov even reached the top 10 in MMA (and even then a #1 MMA fighter generally can't compete with a #40 boxer in a boxing match).
It's not straight up boxing though, that's the point. The rules favour more dirty boxing and boxing on the inside.
If it was a straight up boxing match, with Paulie able to just box at range with very little inside work/rough stuff, then yeah I'd agree, Paulie just straight up lights him up.
The rules that make this somewhat different to a regular boxing match though, make it more intriguing.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 17:49
by jamamb
how good do ppl think artem is though, even if he can clnch? its not like he was even a top flight mma guy
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 18:58
by leejonesjnr
jamamb wrote: ↑22 Jun 2019, 17:49
how good do ppl think artem is though, even if he can clnch? its not like he was even a top flight mma guy
Dunno.
Sort of interesting though isn't it.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 19:37
by Nondescript
jamamb wrote: ↑22 Jun 2019, 17:49
how good do ppl think artem is though, even if he can clnch? its not like he was even a top flight mma guy
Most MMA fighters have a basic understanding of the clinch, because its an important part of the sport.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 19:42
by jamamb
true although for a purely stand up bare knuckle boxing match the clinch becomes a lot more 1 dimensional. knees, elbows, takedowns, subs, etc .....those and the moves for them are irrelevant, so its just all about punches still.
in bare knuckle rules is it that clinch simply isnt broke, or like, can you grab a guys arm, immobilize it, and hit him ?
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 19:45
by gilgamesh
jamamb wrote: ↑22 Jun 2019, 19:42
true although for a purely stand up bare knuckle boxing match the clinch becomes a lot more 1 dimensional. knees, elbows, takedowns, subs, etc .....those and the moves for them are irrelevant, so its just all about punches still.
in bare knuckle rules is it that clinch simply isnt broke, or like, can you grab a guys arm, immobilize it, and hit him ?
I'm not sure if you can pin a guy's arm, but considering you're allowed to just grab a hold of their head, and pound away with your free hand I'd think yes.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 19:49
by leejonesjnr
I don't think there is a standardised set of rules yet, I believe each promotion has their own similar to the early days of MMA
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 20:48
by Nondescript
jamamb wrote: ↑22 Jun 2019, 19:42
true although for a purely stand up bare knuckle boxing match the clinch becomes a lot more 1 dimensional. knees, elbows, takedowns, subs, etc .....those and the moves for them are irrelevant, so its just all about punches still.
in bare knuckle rules is it that clinch simply isnt broke, or like, can you grab a guys arm, immobilize it, and hit him ?
From what I've seen and read. Yeah the ref won't break it up when you enter the clinch like they will in boxing.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 20:55
by oogiebe
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 21:02
by Ilya Muromets
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Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 21:23
by Nondescript
I'm watching this now- first fight on the card already over. Guy got knocked out lol.
The thing I really like about the production so far, is that there's no fluff between fights.
The first fight ended and the two guys for the next fight are already in the ring, literally within 5 minutes.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 21:25
by jamamb
i like that its not a promotion using giant ass hand wraps while claiming to be bare knuckle, ive seen that for other shows and it just ends up being like a boxing match because theres still a good amount of volume to use for normal blocking etc
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 21:26
by Nondescript
And the second knock out already. This shit is moving quick as hell
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 21:30
by Nondescript
The technique is terrible though, it really is bad.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 21:54
by Onetimeonly
Nondescript wrote: ↑22 Jun 2019, 21:30
The technique is terrible though, it really is bad.
It's entertaining in its way. Ref does break clinched.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 21:58
by Ilya Muromets
Ugly sport. Same bad judging as boxing too.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 22:11
by Nondescript
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑22 Jun 2019, 21:54
It's entertaining in its way. Ref does break clinched.
Yeah the refs are breaking it up more than ive seen in the past. That has to favour Paulie
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 22 Jun 2019, 22:19
by oogiebe
Nondescript wrote: ↑22 Jun 2019, 22:11
Yeah the refs are breaking it up more than ive seen in the past. That has to favour Paulie
I thought they only break it up if both arms are tied up for 3 seconds or more.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 00:02
by lazboy
Terrible fight, Paulie ran ffs. Not sure if he hurt his hands but he didn’t throw them so who knows how they got hurt.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 00:05
by oogiebe
Paulie loses. He was never in the fight.
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 00:07
by gilgamesh
lazboy wrote: ↑23 Jun 2019, 00:02
Terrible fight, Paulie ran ffs. Not sure if he hurt his hands but he didn’t throw them so who knows how they got hurt.
Paulie ran? Paulie the guy who made a career out of moving away from guys and throwing pitty pat punches that couldn't stop a 10 year old ran? In a bareknuckle fight? He ran? GET OUTTA HERE!
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 00:12
by coneye
LOL . Pauly , I only got hit once , he says has he's stood there with 3 cuts on his face , tooth fairy must have buzzed him the other times , LOL
Re: Malignaggi To Compete in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship
Posted: 23 Jun 2019, 00:16
by lazboy
gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jun 2019, 00:07
Paulie ran? Paulie the guy who made a career out of moving away from guys and throwing pitty pat punches that couldn't stop a 10 year old ran? In a bareknuckle fight? He ran? GET OUTTA HERE!
Lol. Shut your mesh. He could have at least thrown more than 3 punches a round, he’s a boxer ffs and people paid for this...not me though :)
