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Rob3_142 wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 07:01

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Mar 2019, 19:52

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2019, 19:32 To be fair to Whyte, he's already headlining PPV's and earning a decent return. He'd be contributing more financially to a re-match than Wilder would, so he should be paid accordingly.

They offered Whyte that offer knowing full well he was going to turn it down. It was a token offer whilst they were trying to tie down Wilder.

If Whyte could bring in more buys than Wilder than Eddie would've made the deal. It's just not so.

Wait, which deal are you referring to?

Hearn offered Wilder his biggest pay day (prior to Fury) to fight Whyte.

candyslim wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 14:10 I don't think either Whyte or Joshua really wanted the fight at this time, and with that in mind I think Hearn deliberately pitched the offer low to make certain Whyte didn't take it.

Why didn't Hearn/Joshua want the fight?

1) There are few heavyweights more dangerous to Joshua than Dillian Whyte.
2) There is no great appetite for the fight among UK fight fans not at the moment, that could change..
3) If he wins he is only covering old ground and won't get too much credit.
4) So why pay a lot of money to put AJ in a risky fight which the public aren't excited about?.
5) A Miller fight at MSG makes lots of money, gives AJ a fight in America as preparation for Wilder who he will need to fight in the US if it happens at all.
6) It puts to bed the criticism that AJ only fights in the UK.
7) Ideally Joshua wants to fight Whyte for the undisputed title some way down the road.

Why didn't Whyte want the fight?

1) Aside from the low-ball offer ...
2) Whyte isn't scared of Joshua, but he's smart enough to know that there is a reason that he's an underdog in the betting.
3) Whyte is recently established as a PPV star in the UK. This is great for his bank balance.
4) Whyte knows his PPV status may not survive another defeat against Joshua.
5) Whyte has invested a lot of time and energy in pursuit of the elusive Mr Wilder.
6) He figures there has to come a time the WBC give him the shot he's worked for despite Sulaiman's strings being operated by you-know-who.
7) He believes if he can get Wilder into the ring he'll beat him and then he can fight Joshua for the undisputed title some way down the road.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 15:22 Nice work there slim
I do like numbered points, and to have them for both sides- magic.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 15:22 Nice work there slim
I do like numbered points, and to have them for both sides- magic.

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 00:45 Thanks Kiwi. Very kind of you to say so.

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 06:57

My wife would do the same but she doesn't have enough fingers.

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 08:18 My wife includes her toes. Relentless!

greg wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 08:23 ..and mine usually includes mine. Outrageous!

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 15:42 Any or all of them could be lying. It's an unscrupulous business. You just always point to wilders side. Not that my comment was specific to you, I've heard plenty spout that where career high payday bullshit. Wilder is whom I heard it from and it makes perfect sense.

candyslim wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 17:08 I believe in Joshua because he has always pushed himself, fighting unbeaten fighters, top contenders, unifying the belts all in a short space of time and a limited number of fights. His record speaks for itself . He epitomizes my ideals in that he believes actions speak louder than words. He is respectful to all who show him respect. I see much to admire.

I'm not going to slag off Wilder but I would ask you please to explain to me how he can admit live on air that Joshua is practically begging him for the fight yet the previous week or so, he calls Joshua a coward who doesn't want to fight him? How does that make any kind of sense?

I mean I could fill a whole page highlighting the inconsistencies between what he says and what he does but I'm just going to leave it at that because you don't want to hear it, and we've exchanged quite enough harsh words lately.

candyslim wrote: ↑04 Apr 2019, 03:28 I agree Wilder is AJ's most dangerous opponent because that right hand of Wilder's has the capacity to knock spark out any heavyweight who doesn't have a chin made of granite. and AJ has a decent chin but it's a long way from granite.

If you agree with my numbered post above then you'll see that Eddie rather did Dillian a favour by low-balling him. There are some enticing PPV options for Whyte (Ortiz, Povetkin, Usyk, Parker rematch etc) while he waits for Sulaiman to finally do the decent thing and make his WBC number one, the mandatory challenger.

If he fought Joshua and lost again that might be the end of his PPV career, Whyte's a smart guy he knows that. As it is he is able to walk away from Joshua with honour intact knowing the door will be open again in the future.

As for Eddie he has offered both Wilder and Fury 40% and (for Wilder) a guaranteed rematch win or lose. Obviously part of that is to feather his own interests, but I don't see how anyone could argue that isn't a great deal for Deontay. He's going to look bloody silly if he loses to Breazeale isn't he? I'd give Breazeale a 30-35% chance as slow as he is. He's as tough as Duhaupas and he gave Wilder a torrid time. Joshua has a possibly bigger potential for losing to Miller, it could all fall apart in a spectacular way and that would be extremely disappointing.

Lackeos wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 18:09 Breazeale is kind of a medium opponent for Wilder. Breazeale is a better challenger than Szpilka, Washington, Arreola, Stiverne 2, and Molina; all of whom were pathetic title defenses. But worse than several other possible challengers out there.

I just wish that Breazeale had better wins than Ugonoh and Molina before he got another title shot. I see Molina's abilities as questionable for a top 50 fighter, and Ugonoh's resume as offering very thin evidence of a top 50 ranking. Before getting a title shot, I'd like Breazeale to have beaten someone top 30ish like Martin, Duhaupas, Kuzmin, Kownacki, Ruiz Jr., Hughie, Kabayel, Hammer, Chisora, Jennings, Rivas, Huck, etc.

Meanwhile, the resumes of Whyte, Pulev, and Kownacki suggest that they are all criminally overdue for a title shot. Pulev's resume as of mid-2016 was already more deserving of a shot than Breazeale's current resume, and he's been waiting in line that long. Whyte's resume as of late 2016 was already more deserving of a shot than Breazeale's current resume, and he's been dramatically improving his candidacy since then. Kownacki's resume has been better than Breazeale's since mid 2017, and he's been piling-on ever since then.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑04 Apr 2019, 04:03
Err yes, Wilder just cannot afford to lose to Breazeale - though I'm sure there will be many wishing for that to happen.

cs: I’d be lying if I said that I hadn’t felt like that on occasion before rejecting the idea. You see, as much as I get wound up by all the b/s I still know that Wilder is good for the heavyweight division in that he excites in the ring, and he is one only a few fighters who would be given a good chance by fans of beating AJ within the next 12 months. Without Wilder (and recently Fury) there is no speculation as to who is the better champion. It would be comparatively dull.

Hopefully Deontay will be much sharper than he was in his last outing. Wilder is one of those mainly instinct/less technique fighters, so it's vital he's in the best shape stamina wise. Unlike many heavy hitters he can carry power late into the fight.

cs: That he can !

AJ should be at less risk against Miller because its difficult to see in which area he's not superior to Miller.

cs: Potentially … stamina, punch volume, and most importantly if Miller is to have any chance, durability and the ability to absorb punishment.

Not sure what tactics Miller will try when there is such a difference in power. Mauling and pressing tactics against Joshua carry high risks even for durable (but slow) heavyweights like JM.

cs: Miller only knows one way to fight. He will aim to walk down and wear down AJ and outlast him. As you say, very risky.

Accurate dissection job coming up from Anthony Joshua.

cs: That is the most likely prognosis but imagine if Miller can shrug off Joshua’s punches like he has everyone else’s to-date. Then AJ’s evening starts to get extremely uncomfortable.

candyslim wrote: ↑04 Apr 2019, 03:28 I agree Wilder is AJ's most dangerous opponent because that right hand of Wilder's has the capacity to knock spark out any heavyweight who doesn't have a chin made of granite. and AJ has a decent chin but it's a long way from granite.

If you agree with my numbered post above then you'll see that Eddie rather did Dillian a favour by low-balling him. There are some enticing PPV options for Whyte (Ortiz, Povetkin, Usyk, Parker rematch etc) while he waits for Sulaiman to finally do the decent thing and make his WBC number one, the mandatory challenger.

If he fought Joshua and lost again that might be the end of his PPV career, Whyte's a smart guy he knows that. As it is he is able to walk away from Joshua with honour intact knowing the door will be open again in the future.

As for Eddie he has offered both Wilder and Fury 40% and (for Wilder) a guaranteed rematch win or lose. Obviously part of that is to feather his own interests, but I don't see how anyone could argue that isn't a great deal for Deontay. He's going to look bloody silly if he loses to Breazeale isn't he? I'd give Breazeale a 30-35% chance as slow as he is. He's as tough as Duhaupas and he gave Wilder a torrid time. Joshua has a possibly bigger potential for losing to Miller, it could all fall apart in a spectacular way and that would be extremely disappointing.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑04 Apr 2019, 05:10Breazeale had been waiting over 2 years for his title shot.