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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 May 2019, 05:26 Here’s a review of Wladimir Klitschko’s career:

• Competed in 29 world title fights, winning 25 of them
• Captured the WBA Super, IBF, WBO, IBO & Ring world titles
• A two-time world heavyweight champion
• Has competed against fourteen unbeaten fighters, with nine of them being world title opposition
• Assuming the Ukraine and Germany are classed as his “home” countries, eighteen of his bouts have taken place on foreign soil, including countries such as: USA, Russia, Switzerland, Hungary, United Kingdom, Austria etc.
• 83% of his victories have come by way of knockout
• He is the second longest-reigning heavyweight champion of all-time
• Has faced sixteen current/former world champion
• He is the 1996 super-heavyweight Olympic gold medallist
• Has overcome adversity multiple times throughout his career and also learned from his defeats to become a vastly improved fighter
• Lost only six of the 140 amateur bouts he competed in

A 26½ year old version of Anthony Joshua defeated a 41-year-old version of Wladimir Klitschko that had been inactive for 1½ years, tasted defeat in his previous outing and hadn’t delivered a truly impressive performance for more than 2½ years.

A 28-year-old version of Anthony Joshua defeated a 39-year-old past-his-prime version of Alexander Povetkin that hadn’t delivered an impressive performance for several years, as well as going life and death with David Price, which was a bout that was previously considered as being a blatant mismatch, since the Russian’s opponent was merely a British domestic level fighter.

Claiming that Anthony Joshua is a greater fighter than ‘Dr Steelhammer’, simply because he beat veteran versions of Wladimir Klitschko and Alexander Povetkin is much akin to claiming that Brian Nielsen deserved to be considered as an all-time-great, due to him having defeated a load of veteran world champions, such as: James (Bonecrusher) Smith, Jeff Lampkin, Tony Tubbs, Carlos De Leon, Larry Holmes, Tim Witherspoon, Orlin Norris and Uriah Grant, as well as being moderately competitive against completely shot versions of Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.

You must have had a few too many alcoholic beverages when you submitted that utterly bizarre post! FFS! How embarrassed and regretful must you be feeling right now?

Excellent post

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑12 May 2019, 15:28 Excellent post

Thank-you!

This was a very enjoyable read, there seems to be a consensus that dominant means is either remaining unbeaten in a division whilst defending the belt for a long stretch (Joe), being unbeaten and winning wide (Floyd), or being able to rule a division for a long time, stopping a lot of contenders by knock out while taking a few loses (Wladimir). But I think there is a current top fight who combines all these and might be getting overlooked because he is still in his prime: Deontay Wilder

I am sure this suggestion is unexpected but give me a chance to explain. Let us start with a definition of Dominant from Myriam Webster:
a: commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others
b: very important, powerful, or successful

Successful: Wilder is the undefeated WBC champ with a record of 40-0-1

Powerful: 39 KO from 40 wins. Wilder has crazy power!

Very Important: He is an American WBC heavy weight champion of the world! ESPN ranked him as the worlds most famous boxer! People love to google his name

Commanding: No one wanted to fight Ortiz. Wilder stepped up. In fact, he is going to face the boogey man of the division soon a second time! Wilder was also prepared to fight a top version of Povetkin in Russia! He tried to rematch Fury to show the world it was just an off day, but Fury doesn’t want that smoke. Joshua doesn’t want any either, we can tell this by the way Hearn is trying to throw Whyte at Wilder as some kind of road block. But Wilder is a king, he doesn’t need to chase peasants.

Controlling: Wilder says who he wants to fight, and who he doesn’t want to fight and then the WBC and PBC make it happen

Prevailing over all others: Wilder is known as a knock-out artist, but this does him an incredible disservice. If you don’t believe me, go back and look at his record: in every one of his 39 wins he was also ahead on the judges’ score cards. People say he was getting outboxed by Ortiz, Washington, and Szpilka, and yet Deontay was leading on the score cards! The one victory that did go all the way Stiverne, he won by a WIDE margin. Is that not the very definition of dominant, not only has he beaten you on the cards, but he also is going to knock you out, so doesn’t need them.

People of course will point to his draw against Fury. But every fighter has their off days, there are fights people think Floyd should have lost, and Wlad did lose 4! And there is still some debate over a potential slow count. Surely it shows a true champion to be able to come back in the 12th round and snatch a draw from the jaws of defeat!

Comparisons:

• Joe had to knock over a lot of tomato cans, whilst staying in the UK defending his one belt, but is given a pass. Why isn’t Wilder?

• Dr. Steel Hammer had a great knock out record and improved considerably after each of his 4 losses. Have you seen Wilder’s KO record? And Wilder is improving every fight.

• Floyd had some dubious wins, and didn’t make the Manny fight soon enough. But he did eventually make it, just as I am sure Wilder will eventually get his chance against Joshua.

So let’s recap Wilder is successful, powerful, very important, commanding, controlling and prevailing over all others. He is the very definition of a dominant champion. And therefore undoubtedly the most dominant champion since 2000

he didnt even win his last fight and hes never been the top guy in his division like those other guys you mention . aj is number 1 with the ring, espn, boxing news, etc and he has more belts then wilder. aj like wilder only has 1 decision and all the other wins kos as well. you cannot say wilder is dominant over aj and fury, let alone the most dominant fighter in 20 years.

btw wilder was not ahead on the cards vs washington, it wouldve been a draw on those scores

nice effort though

jamamb wrote: ↑12 May 2019, 23:16 he didnt even win his last fight and hes never been the top guy in his division like those other guys you mention . aj is number 1 with the ring, espn, boxing news, etc and he has more belts then wilder. aj like wilder only has 1 decision and all the other wins kos as well. you cannot say wilder is dominant over aj and fury, let alone the most dominant fighter in 20 years.

btw wilder was not ahead on the cards vs washington, it wouldve been a draw on those scores

nice effort though

Interesting: Has AJ given Parker a rematch? Wilder rematched Stiverne, and demolished him in the first round. Again that shows how dominant he is. AJ is dominant against over the hill fighters

It would have been a majority draw at the end of the 4th round. Wilder was up on one of the cards. And if Washington got up, he would have just lost a 10-8 round. My point stands.

why the hell would they rematch? it was a lopsided fight. the wilder vs stiverne rematch was just totally unneccesarry

it also stands that wilder isnt even the top guy in his division, let alone the most dominant champ in any division in 20 years. the ring, espn, boxrec, boxing monthly, boxing news, etc dont have him the top guy at hw just at the moment and he didnt win his last fight, and he hasnt beaten the best opposition

thats just at hw too, usyk at cw for or craw at lw for recent example was more dominant then wilder has ever been

jamamb wrote: ↑12 May 2019, 23:48 why the hell would they rematch? it was a lopsided fight. the wilder vs stiverne rematch was just totally unneccesarry

it also stands that wilder isnt even the top guy in his division, let alone the most dominant champ in any division in 20 years. the ring, espn, boxrec, boxing monthly, boxing news, etc dont have him the top guy at hw just at the moment and he didnt win his last fight, and he hasnt beaten the best opposition

thats just at hw too, usyk at cw for or craw at lw for recent example was more dominant then wilder has ever been

Since when has giving the previous champion a rematch been deemed as unecessary. I'm pretty sure Joshua will include a rematch clause should he lose his titles. Would that be unecesarry? Fury never gave Wlad his rematch, and it's a black mark against him. Wilder is an honourable guy, who goes about things the right way.

To your second point, in the heavy weight division the WBC title is the most prestigious. Winning multiple titles doesn't elevate above that. There is a reason the WBC titles are always listed first on these websites. That's all I need to say on that matter.

Usyk is an incredible CW, but he didn't make enough title defences to be in this conversation (for me personally). Again for Crawford, top, top fighter. Deserves to be in the conversation, but I don't think he meets enough of the criteria I listed above under the definition of dominant.

I can't say that Wilder is definitely the most dominant, but I think I made a good case for him to be included in the conversation

i think its very unneccessary when the heavy favourite wins a one sided decision. it was just another fight for aj, no need to do it again. wilder was mandated to fight stiverne because the wbc ordered it, wilder said he didnt want the fight so it wasnt a matter of being honourable to give the guy another chance

wilder obviously has no real part in the convo, your clearly just trying to play devils advocate or something. hes not #1 in pretty much any set of major rankings like i said, espn, the ring, pbo , boxing news, boxing monthly. and he didnt win his last fight. and he has no mark of dominance over the other top guys in the division. of course hes not in the convo

usyk and craw on the other hand had every built iincluding the wbc, and absolutely left no question that they were number 1. wilder on the other hand isnt a clear 1 and is obviously not dominant above all others

and btw usyk has 6 wins in title defenses and wilder 7 (over much lower opposition for the division...not other champs, etc), come on man, usyk doesnt have enough but wilder does, i know your reaching to make your argument but come on bruh

jamamb wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 00:32 and btw usyk has 6 wins in title defenses and wilder 7 (over much lower opposition for the division...not other champs, etc), come on man, usyk doesnt have enough but wilder does, i know your reaching to make your argument but come on bruh

Okay, okay
I concede