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Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 04 Jul 2019, 13:16
by Ruthless-RKO
SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 10:56
It's a bigger fight than the Broner one. Thurman has a belt, actually throws punches and tries to win.
So I suspect it might run about $10 more than Pacquiao and Broner.
Theaters are charging the usual $20 for closed circuit.
It’s not a super fight tho.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 04 Jul 2019, 14:02
by 493dart
Pac recently beat Broner and ko'd mattheyse
Hes still got it--he will beat Thurman.
Thurmans resume isnt anything special......and he looked like shyte in his last fight against lopez
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 04 Jul 2019, 14:42
by boxing_rocks
jamamb wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 11:54
ya, looks very similar, still ugly as f@ck
He is a model compared to his mom:
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 04 Jul 2019, 15:16
by SenorPipino
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 13:16
It’s not a super fight tho.
There aren't many.
Last superfight was Mayweather-Pacquiao at around $100 PPV.
I think Canelo-Golovkin, a step below a superfight, was $80. Wilder-Fury about $75.
Prices are high here. Fans pay $50+ for garbage so they can get away with charging $80 for this upcoming bout.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 21:35
by ironbeard
Just one week to go! Maybe it is not a super fight but this is the biggest thing going this summer. Pac can significantly add to his ATG legacy by finding a way to victory here. Not as big a W for Once Upon A Time, but it would be his biggest yet and announce his elbowing into making welter a three horse race currently.
I like them both, but I am pulling for Pac.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 21:59
by gilgamesh
SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 15:16
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 13:16
It’s not a super fight tho.
There aren't many.
Last superfight was Mayweather-Pacquiao at around $100 PPV.
I think Canelo-Golovkin, a step below a superfight, was $80. Wilder-Fury about $75.
Prices are high here. Fans pay $50+ for garbage so they can get away with charging $80 for this upcoming bout.
That's the thing they really don't pay the $50+ for garbage. That's why Boxing isn't all that popular in America as it is in the rest of the world.
Overpriced, and the matches that fans want often don't happen or don't happen when they should.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 23:02
by lazboy
ironbeard wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 21:35
Just one week to go! Maybe it is not a super fight but this is the biggest thing going this summer. Pac can significantly add to his ATG legacy by finding a way to victory here. Not as big a W for
Once Upon A Time, but it would be his biggest yet and announce his elbowing into making welter a three horse race currently.
I like them both, but I am pulling for Pac.
I agree with all that. Genuinely intriguing match-up. Best Pac fight on paper since May Pac I'd say.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 10:36
by JxhDel.
Even by pulling a "too good for his age" performance, Thurman is another kind of beast. Ring rust or not, he still made it look easy in his comeback
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 10:50
by SenorPipino
JxhDel. wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 10:36
Even by pulling a "too good for his age" performance, Thurman is another kind of beast. Ring rust or not, he still made it look easy in his comeback
Don't kid yourself. It wasn't easy for Thurman. Not after a host of injuries and a nearly 2 year layoff.
I had Thurman winning by 6 points (9-3) so overall he dominated, outside of the near disastrous 7th round.
But Lopez was tough and never gave in. He pushed Thurman to his limits that night. It must have dissolved every layer of rust on his body.
I agree that Thurman represents a different kind of animal for Pacquiao. Not old and undersized (Matthysse) or afraid to open up and exchange punches (Broner).
Thurman should put a period to Pacquiao's career with an emphatic win. Although with his tax burden, Pacquiao may be forced to continue no matter what.
Even if the million dollar + purses are only a memory.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 11:13
by apollo creed
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 14:42
jamamb wrote: ↑27 Jun 2019, 11:54
ya, looks very similar, still ugly as f@ck
He is a model compared to his mom:
His mom must be very , very proud and happy about her son, the living legend M.P. Pacman has overachieved in his sport.
Keith 'Sometime' Thurman slowed down as a fighter.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 11:28
by ironbeard
apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 11:13
boxing_rocks wrote: ↑04 Jul 2019, 14:42
He is a model compared to his mom:
His mom must be very , very proud and happy about her son, the living legend M.P. Pacman has overachieved in his sport.
X2
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 11:42
by SenorPipino
Why has Pacquiao overachieved?
It's not as if he wasn't very talented.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 11:52
by apollo creed
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 11:42
Why has Pacquiao overachieved?
It's not as if he wasn't very talented.
Pacquiao worked like crazy and never gave up to get out of the poor-filthy streets.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 12:32
by ironbeard
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 11:42
Why has Pacquiao overachieved?
It's not as if he wasn't very talented.
Even with his historical, superlative natural gifts, Pac would never have come close to what he has accomplished without a fantastic will and work ethic. He could have given up after being ktfo early in his career.
Look at his accomplishments post the FMJ circus; all high quality fights with one controversial loss in Horn’s backyard.
Now he is fighting the biggest welterweight fight of 2019. Spence v Porter is big but Once Upon A Time is undefeated and he has already defeated Porter.
Manny is still going strong at 40. If he defeats Once Upon A Time, I am in danger of becoming a Pacmite.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 12:52
by SenorPipino
I would define an overachiever as a modestly skilled fighter who despite limitations wins a world title or 2.
No one looks at Pacquiao-- at least the prime version--and wonders how he did it. His talents are certainly not modest.
Work ethic, yes. But he's also plenty natural talent. Speed, mobility, accuracy and a punch that gets the attention of even the 147 pounders.
Sure there are some who dismiss his multi-weight accomplishments as largely the product of chemical aid.
But it's` an unproven allegation and ignores the physical gifts that Pacquiao couldn't have possibly acquired from a syringe.
Overachiever? Nah. Anyone blessed with Manny's unique skill set should have been able to accomplish what he did.
If not, then they're underachievers.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 13:48
by ironbeard
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 12:52
I would define an overachiever as a modestly skilled fighter who despite limitations wins a world title or 2.
No one looks at Pacquiao-- at least the prime version--and wonders how he did it. His talents are certainly not modest.
Work ethic, yes. But he's also plenty natural talent. Speed, mobility, accuracy and a punch that gets the attention of even the 147 pounders.
Sure there are some who dismiss his multi-weight accomplishments as largely the product of chemical aid.
But it's` an unproven allegation and ignores the physical gifts that Pacquiao couldn't have possibly acquired from a syringe.
Overachiever? Nah. Anyone blessed with Manny's unique skill set should have been able to accomplish what he did.
If not, then they're underachievers.
Fair enough, but in my view he has overachieved since FMJ.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 14:03
by SenorPipino
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 13:48
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 12:52
I would define an overachiever as a modestly skilled fighter who despite limitations wins a world title or 2.
No one looks at Pacquiao-- at least the prime version--and wonders how he did it. His talents are certainly not modest.
Work ethic, yes. But he's also plenty natural talent. Speed, mobility, accuracy and a punch that gets the attention of even the 147 pounders.
Sure there are some who dismiss his multi-weight accomplishments as largely the product of chemical aid.
But it's` an unproven allegation and ignores the physical gifts that Pacquiao couldn't have possibly acquired from a syringe.
Overachiever? Nah. Anyone blessed with Manny's unique skill set should have been able to accomplish what he did.
If not, then they're underachievers.
Fair enough, but in my view he has overachieved since FMJ.
And I think that's because he's been matched carefully. Especially in his past 2 fights.
An aging, smaller Matthysse. And Broner, who lacks the confidence to let his hands go.
Even Horn was supposed to be a walkover. Unknown and inexperienced, Pacquiao was expected to steamroll him.
But it was a very tough, draining fight for Pacquiao, no matter how much you might disagree with the verdict.
No question, Pacquiao is still a quite capable welterweight. Amazing for 40.
But 40 is 40, and those years will show against the right opponent. Thurman isn't an easy night for any welterweight. Even ones named Spence or Crawford.
He just may be far too much for a Pacquiao years removed from his absolute best days.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 15:36
by ironbeard
Matthysse was younger and not smaller.
Broner has only lost to quality. Pac looked great v both.
Horn is a massive welter and received a clear hometown decision.
You leave out Bradley and Vargas wins who were both high quality wins.
Now he takes on a first quality welter champion.
It is all subjective. If Pac wins this, I will consider it one of his career defining victories. Others will say Thurman was never that good.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 17:20
by IKSRTFO
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 11:42
Why has Pacquiao overachieved?
It's not as if he wasn't very talented.
He was never tapped to be an ATG fighter let alone a Hall of Famer when he turned pro nor when he won his first title.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 17:22
by oogiebe
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 17:20
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 11:42
Why has Pacquiao overachieved?
It's not as if he wasn't very talented.
He was never tapped to be an ATG fighter let alone a Hall of Famer when he turned pro nor when he won his first title.
No doubt. Like in other sports, you get folks who don't have the natural talent, but their heart and hard work lifts them to over achievement.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 17:23
by IKSRTFO
ironbeard wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 15:36
Matthysse was younger and not smaller.
Broner has only lost to quality. Pac looked great v both.
Horn is a massive welter and received a clear hometown decision.
You leave out Bradley and Vargas wins who were both high quality wins.
Now he takes on a first quality welter champion.
It is all subjective. If Pac wins this, I will consider it one of his career defining victories. Others will say Thurman was never that good.
Manny beat Broner in the same number of rounds or more than Porter did, and didn't get caught in the process.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 14 Jul 2019, 17:26
by IKSRTFO
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 12:52
I would define an overachiever as a modestly skilled fighter who despite limitations wins a world title or 2.
No one looks at Pacquiao-- at least the prime version--and wonders how he did it. His talents are certainly not modest.
Work ethic, yes. But he's also plenty natural talent. Speed, mobility, accuracy and a punch that gets the attention of even the 147 pounders.
Sure there are some who dismiss his multi-weight accomplishments as largely the product of chemical aid.
But it's` an unproven allegation and ignores the physical gifts that Pacquiao couldn't have possibly acquired from a syringe.
Overachiever? Nah. Anyone blessed with Manny's unique skill set should have been able to accomplish what he did.
If not, then they're underachievers.
Even at 126, no once thought he would be doing what he's been doing 5 , 10,15 years down the line. You mean to tell me you saw the same Pacquiao against Barrera and Morales beating up on Cotto, Mosley, Magarito, Matthysse, and Broner?
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 15 Jul 2019, 09:52
by SenorPipino
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 17:20
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 11:42
Why has Pacquiao overachieved?
It's not as if he wasn't very talented.
He was never tapped to be an ATG fighter let alone a Hall of Famer when he turned pro nor when he won his first title.
Not too many fighters are annointed future ATGs when they turn pro. Impossible to have a crystal ball.
It's a learning process. Takes time to develop.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 15 Jul 2019, 11:38
by IKSRTFO
SenorPipino wrote: ↑15 Jul 2019, 09:52
IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 17:20
He was never tapped to be an ATG fighter let alone a Hall of Famer when he turned pro nor when he won his first title.
Not too many fighters are annointed future ATGs when they turn pro. Impossible to have a crystal ball.
It's a learning process. Takes time to develop.
Sure, but there are those you see potential from the start. Mayweather and DLH are two of them. Then there are some that as some point of their careers, are assumed will be the one to take the sport over ie Spence and Crawford. Pacquiao was not looked at like they were at the same point in his career. Many didn't have him beating Barrera before he did. Revisionist history.
Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Keith Thurman - July 20, 2019
Posted: 15 Jul 2019, 11:53
by JxhDel.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 10:50
JxhDel. wrote: ↑14 Jul 2019, 10:36
Even by pulling a "too good for his age" performance, Thurman is another kind of beast. Ring rust or not, he still made it look easy in his comeback
Don't kid yourself. It wasn't easy for Thurman. Not after a host of injuries and a nearly 2 year layoff.
I had Thurman winning by 6 points (9-3) so overall he dominated, outside of the near disastrous 7th round.
But Lopez was tough and never gave in. He pushed Thurman to his limits that night. It must have dissolved every layer of rust on his body.
I agree that Thurman represents a different kind of animal for Pacquiao. Not old and undersized (Matthysse) or afraid to open up and exchange punches (Broner).
Thurman should put a period to Pacquiao's career with an emphatic win. Although with his tax burden, Pacquiao may be forced to continue no matter what.
Even if the million dollar + purses are only a memory.
Sure it was not easy for him but still had a large decision victory, at least for me (that draw given by a judge was just ridicolous). He sure got much of the rest off by getting some good chances to attack, recover from a stunner straight and get back, the awakening he sure needed after all those years off.
Thurman isn't gun-shy as Broner neither washed-up as Matthysse was (Postol concussed him badly).