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ppl start all sorts of rumors after events like this, just like rumors started for years about everyone and there sister koing him in sparring, did matchroom leak those too

as far as ive seen aj and hearn have denied all of this stuff

What happened will never come out , but I'm convinced something was not right .Why the long wait before coming out , strange mouthing with his gumshield before the fight as if he had breathing problems.
I'd genuinely would have said the same if he won .
Doesn't change the result , Ruiz was worthy winner .
He can come again if he still wants it .

The right man won on the night.

But, I was there, and no one will ever convince me regardless of denials to the contrary, that something wasn’t amiss before the fight.

I’ve seen enough of AJ to know that wasn’t the normal composed man beforehand.

I’ll just leave this here

https://www.dualdiagnosis.org/drug-addi ... e-anxiety/

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:11 I’ll just leave this here

https://www.dualdiagnosis.org/drug-addi ... e-anxiety/

Lol. Good luck, I think you might be in for a hard time from the harcore Joshua fanbase!

jamamb wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 13:38 ppl start all sorts of rumors after events like this, just like rumors started for years about everyone and there sister koing him in sparring, did matchroom leak those too

as far as ive seen aj and hearn have denied all of this stuff

His dads the one who’s given the story. That’s not a made up rumour, he’s the one who has started it.

Finn wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:16 His dads the one who’s given the story. That’s not a made up rumour, he’s the one who has started it.

Has his dad actually been quoted on this? Or is this just speculation?

Finn wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:16 His dads the one who’s given the story. That’s not a made up rumour, he’s the one who has started it.

Link for that?

handsofstone wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 06:50 Allen's interview with Boxing Social was 1st class, really inciteful stuff, no bias , favoritism or snide comments, just a quality listen, i advise anyone who hasn't watched in to check it out

There was this as aswell

ewenhay wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:14 Lol. Good luck, I think you might be in for a hard time from the harcore Joshua fanbase!

I’m a bit of a gym rat but i’ve always swerved PEDs because of the potentially mood altering side effects. I’ve suffered from dreadful anxiety and depression in the past and know that if I even did a cycle it would come back to haunt me. My mate (who is a serious meat head) had a PED induced breakdown and says the worst thing about it was the terrible anxiety.

I’ve often wondered how athletes on gear manage all the potential side effects: like Clen makes you shake and twitchy as fornicate. What do you do if you’re suffering anxiety? Get a TUE for Valium or something?

clopixolacuphase wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:45 I’m a bit of a gym rat but i’ve always swerved PEDs because of the potentially mood altering side effects. I’ve suffered from dreadful anxiety and depression in the past and know that if I even did a cycle it would come back to haunt me. My mate (who is a serious meat head) had a PED induced breakdown and says the worst thing about it was the terrible anxiety.

I’ve often wondered how athletes on gear manage all the potential side effects: like Clen makes you shake and twitchy as eff. What do you do if you’re suffering anxiety? Get a TUE for Valium or something?

I think the risk of the shrunken testicles would be enough on its own to make me think twice!

Dillian claims he couldn't get his TUEs in America and this was the problem.

Honestly, I cannot stop watching the fight over and over...and reading everything about it...all of the opinions, theories and conspiracies.

Ruiz got hit very, very hard in round 3 and I honestly felt like it was game over.

Even by round 5 I expected that at any moment Joshua would land like he did aganst Povetkin (who was comfortably ahead on my card) and then close the show.

Sport is about money and fan base. AJ brought all of that and there are a lot of businessmen guted about what happened.

I hope that this a lesson not to "marinate" these big fights (I hate that phrase).

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:39

There was this as aswell

Good interviews them

Ezzard wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:59 Honestly, I cannot stop watching the fight over and over...and reading everything about it...all of the opinions, theories and conspiracies.

Ruiz got hit very, very hard in round 3 and I honestly felt like it was game over.

Even by round 5 I expected that at any moment Joshua would land like he did aganst Povetkin (who was comfortably ahead on my card) and then close the show.

Sport is about money and fan base. AJ brought all of that and there are a lot of businessmen guted about what happened.

I hope that this a lesson not to "marinate" these big fights (I hate that phrase).

So after a quiet few rounds AJ drops Ruiz then goes in to finish, Ruiz keeps calm under fire and rocks his world with a left hook. How does a panic attack or getting dropped in sparring cause this? People are talking absolute nonsense. AJ then struggles to recover and Ruiz is reading his attacks like a book and making him pay via combinations. AJ was absolutely fine before that counter hook in round 3, actually that assault that AJ landed on Ruiz in round 3 was sharp as hell. No panic attacks, no conspiracies and no excuses. AJ has flaws and Ruiz exploited them on Saturday.

British heavyweight Anthony Joshua says he has no excuses for his shock defeat by Andy Ruiz Jr, in which he lost his IBF, WBO and WBA world titles.

The loss in New York was the first of Joshua's 23-fight professional career and he has dismissed suggestions anything was wrong with him.

"I had no panic attack," the 29-year-old said in video posted online on Wednesday.

"I have to take my loss like a man. No blaming anyone or anything."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/48524093

Excellent insight from Dave Allen and an excellent commentator too, someone should get him on board, very good interviewer too, who was that ? Makes a change from dumb ass Kugan.

Joshua could well have had a panic attack, maybe he got battered in sparring or maybe he just had a premonition of what was about to happen.
Larry Holmes had a panic attack just before he fought Mike Tyson, he said he wanted to run in the other direction as he was heading towards the ring, it can happen to the best.

I remember thinking Joshua looked odd during introductions, as he just leaned on the top rope, not moving, warming up or anything, just looked a bit vacant.

I can confirm with 100% certainty, that AJ did indeed have a panic attack......


In round 4

Ezzard wrote: ↑04 Jun 2019, 14:59 Honestly, I cannot stop watching the fight over and over...and reading everything about it...all of the opinions, theories and conspiracies.

Ruiz got hit very, very hard in round 3 and I honestly felt like it was game over.

Even by round 5 I expected that at any moment Joshua would land like he did aganst Povetkin (who was comfortably ahead on my card) and then close the show.

Sport is about money and fan base. AJ brought all of that and there are a lot of businessmen guted about what happened.

I hope that this a lesson not to "marinate" these big fights (I hate that phrase).

Me too.

I can understand promoters and managers saying that, because they're thinking about their livelihoods, but when I hear fighters and fight fans saying it, my heart dies a little bit.