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DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:09 The King of Boxing should be The Gypsy one.

If he earns it, as TFKoB has, then he will be the king. TFKoB is going to give the champion he beat his rematch, rather than run and hide like Fury did.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:13 If he earns it, as TFKoB has, then he will be the king. TFKoB is going to give the champion he beat his rematch, rather than run and hide like Fury did.

Let The Fat King at least to actually give that rematch. It will be his best choice, by the way, because defending those belts will be a possible task in contrast to going for the Lineal title.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:29 Let The Fat King at least to actually give that rematch. It will be his best choice, by the way, because defending those belts will be a possible task in contrast to going for the Lineal title.

Give what rematch? Fury never gave Wlad his rematch. He gave everything up for cocaine and booze. AJ gave Wlad justice, not Fury.

TFKoB will fulfill his contractual responsibilities, unlike Fury.

The Linearal angle is a nice marketing ploy for people who have no idea what actually happened.

You've got to give it to Fury for staying in good shape for what was a fairly meaningless exercise.

Neil Gee wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:36 You've got to give it to Fury for staying in good shape for what was a fairly meaningless exercise.

I agree. As mentioned earlier, he is great for boxing. He did his job tonight. He is a special HW but you are not The Man until you beat The Man, as TFKoB did two weeks ago.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:34 Give what rematch? Fury never gave Wlad his rematch. He gave everything up for cocaine and booze. AJ gave Wlad justice, not Fury.

TFKoB will fulfill his contractual responsibilities, unlike Fury.

The Linearal angle is a nice marketing ploy for people who have no idea what actually happened.

You can't take away the Lineal title from The Gypsy King. Joshua beat the beaten Klitschko, the Lineage remained with The Gypsy King.

The belts are nothing more than trinkets... a ploy by promoters and organizations just to make money and run a monopoly on an already corrupt business.

The fact of business is this. Claimants, whether legitimate or pretender, have to be faced and met. Otherwise what kind of king are you? Whether it be sports or wars, you don't focus on small potatoes.

Richard III rightfully went after Henry Tudor because he was a threat. Henry Tudor went after Perkin Warbeck because he was a threat. You don't take lesser fights unless it sets up the big ones. This is chess not checkers.

If I was a so-called champion with belts I'd be ashamed of myself if some undefeated ex-champion was still around. How could I ever call myself truly the champion if I didn't eliminate the biggest threat?

Joshua, like some spoiled monarch just waiting to be felled grew complacent on the throne and took on a peasant thinking he could never lose, and was thoroughly battered.

Now had he taken it all seriously, demanding his chief advisor to make a fight with Fury or Wilder no matter the money, he'd of had the proper mindset and taken all precautions. The fact he wasn't willing to do that shows me he always was a pretender.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:45 You can't take away the Lineal title from The Gypsy King. Joshua beat the beaten Klitschko, the Lineage remained with The Gypsy King.

It is meaningless, other than for marketing and for Fury’s fanboys.

Lineal is absurdly outdated, but if it isn't vacant Ruiz is the lineal champ.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:46 It is meaningless, other than for marketing and for Fury’s fanboys.

As if there's sense in actual belts, which are gonna to be stripped from the not marketable champion.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:52 As if there's sense in actual belts, which are gonna to be stripped from the not marketable champion.

Fury wasn't stripped of his King of Boxing title. He quit. He gave it up. He pussed out.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:57 Fury wasn't stripped of his King of Boxing title. He quit. He gave it up. He pussed out.

He was stripped of IBF. And now IBF and WBO are planning to strip Ruiz.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:00 He was stripped of IBF. And now IBF and WBO are planning to strip Ruiz.

The IBF being stripped had nothing to do with him quitting. It had nothing to do with him failing to honor his obligations.

TFKoB is hugely marketable, btw.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 03:57 Fury wasn't stripped of his King of Boxing title. He quit. He gave it up. He pussed out.

Yup, announcing your retirement and not fighting for 3 years should satisfy even the most stringent lineal nerds. If not it shows how silly the claim is. A buddy of mine that comes over a lot of Saturdays to sometimes see fights on my TV, computer and phone simultaneously asked me about Schwartz and I said, I've never seen him fight if that tells you anything. Fury looked good.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:03 Yup, announcing your retirement and not fighting for 3 years should satisfy even the most stringent lineal nerds. If not it shows how silly the claim is. A buddy of mine that comes over a lot of Saturdays to sometimes see fights on my TV, computer and phone simultaneously asked me about Schwartz and I said, I've never seen him fight if that tells you anything. Fury looked good.

No doubt. Fury looks good and he is good for boxing, until he decides to quit again.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:03 The IBF being stripped had nothing to do with him quitting. It had nothing to do with him failing to honor his obligations.

TFKoB is hugely marketable, btw.

He had some struggles, but he came back anyway.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:08 He had some struggles, but he came back anyway.

. . . and he has to earn his place again. Boxing moved on.

The Wilder robbery solidified in my mind that Fury's lineal title means more than the belt holders. When Klitschko was still the champ Wilder was a solid #3 in the world.

Fury leaves the division, Wilder basically becomes #2 (or #1 depending who you ask) and Fury comes back to beat him regardless of what the judges said. It was as if he never really left the division.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:09 . . . and he has to earn his place again. Boxing moved on.

For the moment he has done it pretty convincingly with Wilder fight, but, yeah, there still are some things to prove, even with Wilder. Yet I believe, it's just a matter of time for The Gypsy King.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:12 For the moment he has done it pretty convincingly with Wilder fight, but, yeah, there still are some things to prove, even with Wilder. Yet I believe, it's just a matter of time for The Gypsy King.

He proved nothing but he could get a draw v Wilder. Good accomplishment but not on the level of stopping AJ.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:17 He proved nothing but he could get a draw v Wilder. Good accomplishment but not on the level of stopping AJ.

If to look only on paper, than yes. But I'm used to watching boxing.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:19 If to look only on paper, than yes. But I'm used to watching boxing.

I have watched all of the fights. TFKoB’s TKO of AJ was more impressive than anything Fury or Wilder or AJ have done.

ironbeard wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:24 I have watched all of the fights. TFKoB’s TKO of AJ was more impressive than anything Fury or Wilder or AJ have done.

That's your opinion, which differs from mine.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:26 That's your opinion, which differs from mine.

Wilder and Fury fought to a draw.

Wilder destroyed Breazeale.

Fury destroyed a Schwartz.

TFKoB destroyed AJ.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jun 2019, 04:10 The Wilder robbery solidified in my mind that Fury's lineal title means more than the belt holders. When Klitschko was still the champ Wilder was a solid #3 in the world.

Fury leaves the division, Wilder basically becomes #2 (or #1 depending who you ask) and Fury comes back to beat him regardless of what the judges said. It was as if he never really left the division.

Laughable to call that a robbery, even more laughable to act like lineal doesn't revolve around the judges decision. Even if fury win the fight he still retired. Lineal is a joke, it's just something that people came up with years later to track back when there was a single champion. Nobody was saying Johnson/Jeffries was for the lineal title. Hell, wlad was clearly the man but there was never an absolute moment where he became 'lineal'.