BoxRec

dagilechia wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:07

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 17:28

In response to a stupid comment. The dumbest comment here was without kds wilder would have definitely lost, duh. Fury fought great, he didn't win. Get over it.

he responded to my post. and i didn't said what you suggest i/someone did.

jamamb wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 13:29

ironbeard wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 13:26
Good omnipotent figments of our imaginations, are we opening up that can of whine and tears again?

u know u want it

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 20:32

dagilechia wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 18:07

he responded to my post. and i didn't said what you suggest i/someone did.

It was you both times.

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 04:06

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 Jul 2019, 20:32

It was you both times.

you can´t read then

i have never made the ''without kds wilder would have definitely lost'' that you are accusing me of.

dagilechia wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 14:11

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 12:28

The difference between Wilder/Fury and Canelo/Floyd is this.

Some people DO legitiimately believe Wilder vs Fury is a draw..lots in fact. NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY believes Canelo/Floyd was a draw, and the official judge who ruled Floyd/Canelo a draw instantly became a laughing stock who was ran out of the sport almost immediately after that bout.

The two fights weren't comparable.

Wilder dropped Fury twice, and had his moments in other rounds. Canelo barely landed 1 solid punch all night. Not sure he even did land 1 to be honest. A good one that is.

also, nobody believes that Wilder was winning without KD's. one of the official scorecards tells he was. This scorecard is as legit as the draw scorecard in FMJ-Canelo. What does that say about the judging in this fight? Very likely this stupid card changed the result of this fight, 8 or 9 out of 10 other judges would have Fury 114-112 or 115-111 (of course if they were fair).

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 07:46

dagilechia wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 14:11

also, nobody believes that Wilder was winning without KD's. one of the official scorecards tells he was. This scorecard is as legit as the draw scorecard in FMJ-Canelo. What does that say about the judging in this fight? Very likely this stupid card changed the result of this fight, 8 or 9 out of 10 other judges would have Fury 114-112 or 115-111 (of course if they were fair).

Here you go, pumpkin. Evidently I read much better than you think.

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 07:57

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 07:46

Here you go, pumpkin. Evidently I read much better than you think.

Ok, you can't read then.
.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 08:24

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 07:57
Ok, you can't read then.
.

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 09:38 i agree that Wilder would clearly lost without the kd's, i guess that nobody denies that. but my point was - the 115-111 Wilder card was almost as bad as the 114-114 card in FMJ-Canelo.

ironbeard wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 09:54

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 09:38 i agree that Wilder would clearly lost without the kd's, i guess that nobody denies that. but my point was - the 115-111 Wilder card was almost as bad as the 114-114 card in FMJ-Canelo.

You are like a woodpecker without a beak.

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 09:19

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 08:24

You have missed the point of my post, that's it.

squiggy wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 09:32 Not sure what the point of all this is, but... without KDs, Wilder would have definitely lost.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 09:58

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 09:19

You have missed the point of my post, that's it.

Your post was stupid, in every way.

dagilechia wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 11:41

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 09:58

Your post was stupid, in every way.

so it must fit well in between your posts

JohnReed wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 21:55 I think that Andy Ruiz can really fight, and I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be the top dog over the long haul. The dude covers up really well, and his time and counterpunching ability are excellent. To top it off, Ruiz can hit pretty hard, and he's got the aggressive tenacity of a bulldog. Let's not overlook his size and durability either.

It seems to me that Wilder has had some trouble with aggressive opponents who successfully carry the fight to him. He's showed flashes of weaknesses fighting off of his backfoot. That makes me think that Ruiz could surprise a lot of people and get the better of Wilder.

As for the AJ rematch, I honestly believe that Ruiz has already gotten him beat. I'd be surprised if AJ successfully comes back from that loss, because it wasn't some fluke punch that stopped him. AJ was hurt and outpunched early, then he was controlled -- practically dominated -- over the next few rounds before being finished off. That tells us that AJ must know what it feels like not to be able to use his boxing ability to keep Ruiz away, or to use his combination punching ability to puncture Andy's guard and turn the tide. So, AJ was beaten mentally and physically, over time too. That kind of loss, I think, breaks a top fighter's ego.

I remember the great welterweight upset from 1976, in which Carlos Palomino outpunched, outboxed, and thoroughly outfought John H. Stracey, a 3-1 favorite, en route to scoring a 12th round TKO in London. Stracey had an automatic rematch clause, but he didn't take it because he couldn't overcome the psychological effects of the thorough loss to Palomino. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sense the that AJ is now in the same situation as Stracey.

Tyson Fury is probably the toughest fight out there for Ruiz, and likely the only guy who can beat him.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 14:34

JohnReed wrote: ↑10 Jul 2019, 21:55 I think that Andy Ruiz can really fight, and I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be the top dog over the long haul. The dude covers up really well, and his time and counterpunching ability are excellent. To top it off, Ruiz can hit pretty hard, and he's got the aggressive tenacity of a bulldog. Let's not overlook his size and durability either.

It seems to me that Wilder has had some trouble with aggressive opponents who successfully carry the fight to him. He's showed flashes of weaknesses fighting off of his backfoot. That makes me think that Ruiz could surprise a lot of people and get the better of Wilder.

As for the AJ rematch, I honestly believe that Ruiz has already gotten him beat. I'd be surprised if AJ successfully comes back from that loss, because it wasn't some fluke punch that stopped him. AJ was hurt and outpunched early, then he was controlled -- practically dominated -- over the next few rounds before being finished off. That tells us that AJ must know what it feels like not to be able to use his boxing ability to keep Ruiz away, or to use his combination punching ability to puncture Andy's guard and turn the tide. So, AJ was beaten mentally and physically, over time too. That kind of loss, I think, breaks a top fighter's ego.

I remember the great welterweight upset from 1976, in which Carlos Palomino outpunched, outboxed, and thoroughly outfought John H. Stracey, a 3-1 favorite, en route to scoring a 12th round TKO in London. Stracey had an automatic rematch clause, but he didn't take it because he couldn't overcome the psychological effects of the thorough loss to Palomino. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sense the that AJ is now in the same situation as Stracey.

Tyson Fury is probably the toughest fight out there for Ruiz, and likely the only guy who can beat him.

I think Fury's got the right skillset to dominate ruiz in a fairly boring comfortable win. He knows how to keep the fight at range.

Unless Joshua is able to fight quite differently, I think he's mainly got a punchers chance of hitting Ruiz hard enough to keep him down this time.

It's also possible though, that Ruiz fought the fight of his life, and won't produce form like that again.

ironbeard wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 10:14 I had it 115-111 real time. There were a minimum of 8 rounds that could have gone either way. A draw was entirely appropriate.

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 14:37

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 14:34

I think Fury's got the right skillset to dominate ruiz in a fairly boring comfortable win. He knows how to keep the fight at range.

Unless Joshua is able to fight quite differently, I think he's mainly got a punchers chance of hitting Ruiz hard enough to keep him down this time.

It's also possible though, that Ruiz fought the fight of his life, and won't produce form like that again.

Nah, this wasn't Buster Douglas performing way over his head. Ruiz fought his fight and kicked AJ's ass. Simple as that. He'll do it again in the rematch so long as he remains focused.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 14:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 14:37

Nah, this wasn't Buster Douglas performing way over his head. Ruiz fought his fight and kicked AJ's ass. Simple as that. He'll do it again in the rematch so long as he remains focused.

Yeah, maybe, I've not watched enough of Ruiz.

The focus is the potential stumbling block too, like you say.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 14:39

ironbeard wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 10:14 I had it 115-111 real time. There were a minimum of 8 rounds that could have gone either way. A draw was entirely appropriate.

There were many rounds where so few shots were landed, that it was hard to score.

I scored it and I think I had it for Fury by 114-112, in the close rounds, I felt Fury was dictating the fight even though there wasn't much in it in terms of punches landed.

Fury is his own worst enemy though, if you land so few punches per round, you always risk losing rounds you maybe just edged, especially if the judges view your performance as negative.

ironbeard wrote: ↑12 Jul 2019, 10:14 I had it 115-111 real time. There were a minimum of 8 rounds that could have gone either way. A draw was entirely appropriate.