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punchoutsb wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 21:37

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 21:24
Do your own diligence. The point I made is that the timing could've changed. The fight date. The offers going out. Etc.
Certainly Price; Povetkin; Parker; Washington; Joyce; Chisora? I'd even bet that Hrgovic's fight wasn't set yet, and even if it was, his own crappy opponent would've taken step aside money. How about trying for Pulev and not assuming he's hyper focused on the IBF shot. The fact is that Fury's camp somehow managed to have their second fight under top rank against another soft touch. I'm sure that Top rank is thrilled about that.

My diligence? You said they were available. You make a claim, you back it up.

Price was "certainly" not available as he and Allen were announced 4 days after Fury/Schwarz. Parker had fought Leapai about two weeks before Fury/Schwarz. Washington/Helenius was announced the week of Fury/Schwarz. Joyce was in training camp and just fought about two weeks ago. Fury has already beat Chisora twice. Povetkin may have been available. Pulev was suspended for kissing a reporter AND has formally petitioned the IBF so there's no assumption to be made.

The fact is there were very few feasible options even if you go back to the day after Fury/Schwarz.

Fury wouldn't fight Price anyway. He's been ducking him since the ams. Pulev would have been done by fight time on the suspension. Even though he beat Chis twice, he would still have been available. Washington would have had enough time to fight again, and with Fury's lack of real power, might've been interesting. And lastly, the date could've been put off another several weeks to accommodate a better opponent. We can go on all night, but I'd rather not. It changes nothing. It's a piss poor matchup and does nothing (again) to prep Fury for a Wilder rematch. Ridiculous.

Wow, another joke of a fight for Fury. Makes 4 out of the last 5. He must really need confidence if he is fighting guys like this. I can't wait to hear Arum spin this guy as a very dangerous opponent.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 21:46

punchoutsb wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 21:37

My diligence? You said they were available. You make a claim, you back it up.

Price was "certainly" not available as he and Allen were announced 4 days after Fury/Schwarz. Parker had fought Leapai about two weeks before Fury/Schwarz. Washington/Helenius was announced the week of Fury/Schwarz. Joyce was in training camp and just fought about two weeks ago. Fury has already beat Chisora twice. Povetkin may have been available. Pulev was suspended for kissing a reporter AND has formally petitioned the IBF so there's no assumption to be made.

The fact is there were very few feasible options even if you go back to the day after Fury/Schwarz.

Fury wouldn't fight Price anyway. He's been ducking him since the ams. Pulev would have been done by fight time on the suspension. Even though he beat Chis twice, he would still have been available. Washington would have had enough time to fight again, and with Fury's lack of real power, might've been interesting. And lastly, the date could've been put off another several weeks to accommodate a better opponent. We can go on all night, but I'd rather not. It changes nothing. It's a piss poor matchup and does nothing (again) to prep Fury for a Wilder rematch. Ridiculous.

Ducks Price but fights Wlad and Wilder. Got it.

None of these guys were available. We agree its a piss poor matchup. I say its nothing unusual in this day and age and that there wasn't anything feasibly much better available.

Have a good night Oog

punchoutsb wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 21:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 21:46

Fury wouldn't fight Price anyway. He's been ducking him since the ams. Pulev would have been done by fight time on the suspension. Even though he beat Chis twice, he would still have been available. Washington would have had enough time to fight again, and with Fury's lack of real power, might've been interesting. And lastly, the date could've been put off another several weeks to accommodate a better opponent. We can go on all night, but I'd rather not. It changes nothing. It's a piss poor matchup and does nothing (again) to prep Fury for a Wilder rematch. Ridiculous.

Ducks Price but fights Wlad and Wilder. Got it.

None of these guys were available. We agree its a piss poor matchup. I say its nothing unusual in this day and age and that there wasn't anything feasibly much better available.

Have a good night Oog

You too punchy! Spirited debate.

Bandog wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 21:49 Wow, another joke of a fight for Fury. Makes 4 out of the last 5. He must really need confidence if he is fighting guys like this. I can't wait to hear Arum spin this guy as a very dangerous opponent.

Hard to imagine Top Rank making scratch on Fury's deal.

Top rank isnt stupid. But espn is. I bet they are the ones who bankrolled this deal

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 22:18 Top rank isnt stupid. But espn is. I bet they are the ones who bankrolled this deal

Good point.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 20:59

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 20:52
LOL! It won't sell as a real fight. Much like Schwarz. Maybe worse.

Apparently they made money on the Fury-Schwarz mismatch...


https://www.fightsports.tv/fury-schwarz ... ectations/

Lol, did you read that?

Has he ducked Price or was it more he held a grudge of getting his path to the Olympics blocked, and being overshadowed by Price in the early part of his pro career?

Bit of a let down this fight to be honest. I was happy with Martin, bur Top Rank probably saw the amount of grumbling online at that potential fight and thought sod it. So they've got a big guy, at peak age with a record that looks great on paper to sell to the casual fan.

Can't say I'm looking forward to this, but at least he is the most active of the top heavy weights.

I'm not sure who he could have likely made a fight against that would have fit the bill of: over 6'4" with a good record that would have been willing to fight him at short notice

So it's a bit of a meh from me (Which reminds me I haven't watched the Schwartz fight yet)

punchoutsb wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 21:19

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 21:11



Mostly you're mentioning top guys. He just wants a "stay busy" fight, so go through the mid level Boxrec list. There are a lot of names, tho they have Wallin ranked #48 I don't know why. He's never even fought anyone ranked higher than 201. Brezeale, Takam, Molina, Lucas Browne, lots more, all would be more legitimate opponents.

Takam would have been a good choice...is he still fighting? Breazeale almost got executed a little over two months ago. Browne is a terrible fight, probably one of the few I'd rather see Wallin over.

Boxing fans like to bitch, and anyone on the mid-level of boxrec would illicit such bitching. No one from the mid-level of boxrec will give the "good fight" that fans want.

All those guys I mentioned have had experience with top level competition and would make a very legitimate "stay busy" fight, plus give them a well earned chance at a good payday. Wallin hasn't had any top level comp. at all and now they want to feed him to the best heavyweight in the world so he can toy with him for a couple of rounds and maybe split open his nose like he did to Schwarz. I never even heard of Wallin before. Another black eye for boxing. People should just boycott it. This from a guy who likes Tyson Fury!

As for Brezeale, I don't know how he's feeling now, but Washington also "almost got executed" a few months ago and just came back strong.

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 16:06 Pathetic. Fury is a fraud.

Good one.

Fury seems to have an obsession with overrated, unbeaten EuroScrubs. Adam Kownacki would be a legit opponent if he likes undefeated Europeans.

Pretty much no one even rated Schwarz or Wallin

If people are willing to pay him gazillions to fight nobody’s he’s gonna keep doing it.

I thought Granat beat Wallin. I wouldn't argue the decision but it was close. Grant got iced by Dimitrenko in one round to add a little perspective.

Personally I'd be much more interested in Otto Wallin v Charles Martin than in either of them against TFury.

Sorry to say to all you imbeciles, but you're all fuckked in the brain, punchout excluded plus few others, ooglie, jambaa & 1timelonely NOT! YOU GUYS SUCK BIG TIME!!!

Freakin Schwarz was rank3d 2 WBO (why only god knows) prior fury fighting him, where's Fury now ranked wbo?

freakin Wallin is ranked 4 WBA behind usyk ruiz & joshua WBA (for what reason god knows)?

WHOM ELSE SHOULD FURY HAVE FOUGHT START OF SEPTEMBER?

State a name and the possibilty to make that fight happen, don't bother@ keep on babbling shit!

adislav123 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 07:33 Sorry to say to all you imbeciles, but you're all fuckked in the brain, punchout excluded plus few others, ooglie, jambaa & 1timelonely NOT! YOU GUYS SUCK BIG TIME!!!

Freakin Schwarz was rank3d 2 WBO (why only god knows) prior fury fighting him, where's Fury now ranked wbo?

freakin Wallin is ranked 4 WBA behind usyk ruiz & joshua WBA (for what reason god knows)?

WHOM ELSE SHOULD FURY HAVE FOUGHT START OF SEPTEMBER?

State a name and the possibilty to make that fight happen, don't bother@ keep on babbling poo!

Joe Parker

adislav123 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2019, 07:33 Sorry to say to all you imbeciles, but you're all fuckked in the brain, punchout excluded plus few others, ooglie, jambaa & 1timelonely NOT! YOU GUYS SUCK BIG TIME!!!

Freakin Schwarz was rank3d 2 WBO (why only god knows) prior fury fighting him, where's Fury now ranked wbo?

freakin Wallin is ranked 4 WBA behind usyk ruiz & joshua WBA (for what reason god knows)?

WHOM ELSE SHOULD FURY HAVE FOUGHT START OF SEPTEMBER?

State a name and the possibilty to make that fight happen, don't bother@ keep on babbling poo!

I don't think anyone would complain if Fury was fighting Schwartz or Wallen if he was fighting these type of guys every 8 to 10 weeks.
But he's fighting 2 or 3 fringe contenders in a year. It's weak opposition. Either fight fringe contenders 6 or 7 times in a year or fight realistic top 15 contenders.
I think that's the problem a lot of people have.
These fights do not help him physically or emotionally prepare him for Wilder, Ruiz or Joshua

It keeps his fragile ego maintained though.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 18:26

oogiebe wrote: ↑02 Aug 2019, 17:59
He should just recluse himself from any Wilder discussion.

Or just admit he was wrong. That's never easy, god knows it isn't for me, but I've never been so off my rocker and refused to cave. At the very least, like you said, he should at least try to stop regurgitating the same novels of crap like there is a leg to stand on.

Oh well look what I found. As Oscar Wilde said "The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about". You ought to know better than anyone that I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong: OTO (SoTD) encouraged me to revisit recordings of Mike Tyson's fights to settle a disagreement about his inside game. When after a week or two I returned as promised, and conceded the point, OTO had the good grace (No really) to comment how unusual it was for anyone on here to make such an admission.

To force such an admission though, it's necessary to tackle the issue and engage me in debate, and show me why I'm wrong, rather than employing guerrilla tactics, taking pot-shots at me from among your confederates in a totally unrelated thread. If I'm regurgitating the same crap it's because I've never received any satisfactory answers. Most people don't even attempt it, instead they'll simply say something like "He's off talking sh1t again" or "He's a Wilder hater" and just leave it at that. Sound familiar ?

Ive offered rebuttals to all of your madness and you ignore them and say I refuse too. It's astounding to me that I upset you so much. Ignore it slim, you can't because you know you're full of shit.

No you haven't: All you have ever said (admittedly you have said it a lot !) is that Wilder would never have turned down the biggest payday by far. *

Apart from the fact he has turned down double that to face Whyte, and thirty times that to face Joshua (over two fights) ignoring that, you have never addressed my much repeated response that it wasn't ever anticipated that he wouldn't get paid in full because if Povetkin was guilty then Team Wilder would sue for loss of earnings. That's what they did, they sued and they lost, not in Moscow but in New York in the US of A.

Makes you think doesn't it? Sadly not in your case. You're like a Mao Tse Tung accolyte quoting from his little red book

* Only today you added a new bit about how much the rematch would be worth but true to form you ignored what I said in response. I don't care about that because I'd much rather discuss this with someone whose mind isn't nailed shut.

Do you think Fury fight three times this year? I think the fight vs. Wallin will be very easy

Otto who?

I don't like mismatches....