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None of them. How can people say Lewis would beat every great HW if he was knocked out by B-level crackhead Oliver McCall and B-level Hasim Rahman?

He also struggled badly against 36 y.o., overweight, 12-month inactive and 30-months winless Ray Mercer and against 37 y.o. washed up Evander Holyfield in the rematch

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 05:23 None of them. How can people say Lewis would beat every great HW if he was knocked out by B-level crackhead Oliver McCall and B-level Hasim Rahman?

He also struggled badly against 36 y.o., overweight, 12-month inactive and 30-months winless Ray Mercer and against 37 y.o. washed up Evander Holyfield in the rematch

I like your post. But we do talk prime + best version. The prime version of lewis against briggs or rahman II. The morivated version in his prime years.

Rocky Marciano is not on the poll?

Technically no human being is unbeatable so it's virtually impossible. Rocky of course was undefeated, but if you put him against all the great ones, then Muhammad Ali, the Klitschkos, Larry Holmes...one of them would be bound to beat him.

As of today's picture, Wilder has a chance to be the guy who cleans the division and Joshua, if he beats Ruiz in the rematch-and as a Hispanic myself I hope he doesn't- then he has a chance too. But so does Fury so I really don't know!!!

RonnyJ wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 05:46

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 05:23 None of them. How can people say Lewis would beat every great HW if he was knocked out by B-level crackhead Oliver McCall and B-level Hasim Rahman?

He also struggled badly against 36 y.o., overweight, 12-month inactive and 30-months winless Ray Mercer and against 37 y.o. washed up Evander Holyfield in the rematch

n. The prime version of lewis against briggs or rahman II.

Or against Razor Ruddock?

RonnyJ wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 02:36

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 02:13 Norton was better than the Klitschko's.

Hell no

Hell yes

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 06:22 Rocky Marciano is not on the poll?

Technically no human being is unbeatable so it's virtually impossible. Rocky of course was undefeated, but if you put him against all the great ones, then Muhammad Ali, the Klitschkos, Larry Holmes...one of them would be bound to beat him.

As of today's picture, Wilder has a chance to be the guy who cleans the division and Joshua, if he beats Ruiz in the rematch-and as a Hispanic myself I hope he doesn't- then he has a chance too. But so does Fury so I really don't know!!!

Klitsckos weren't great...

Roy Jones Jnr would be hell for everyone. Might knock anyone out in the end. But, he if we are going with Jones in his prime, then he might beat all of them.

Otherwise. One can argue that the top 4 guys today shouldn't be on the bracket since well, most of this other guys careers are done. Lets see where AJ, Ruiz, Deontay and Tyson do in the coming years. Four legends? Or a bunch of guys who won titles and got forgotten like Greg Page, John Tate and others.

RonnyJ wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 01:26

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑15 Nov 2019, 20:40 Tyson and Lewis both rate holyfield as the best they have faced

Lewis could beat anyone. So could Ali. Lewis could lose to anyone too

Which is nonsense since lewis always easily won rds against holyfield, the vitaly fight wasnt this easy.

As for tyson, holmes or holyfield.

I dont know... I'd think Lennox would know better than you since he fought him and it was his opinion.

Paci wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 11:10 Roy Jones Jnr would be hell for everyone. Might knock anyone out in the end. But, he if we are going with Jones in his prime, then he might beat all of them.

Otherwise. One can argue that the top 4 guys today shouldn't be on the bracket since well, most of this other guys careers are done. Lets see where AJ, Ruiz, Deontay and Tyson do in the coming years. Four legends? Or a bunch of guys who won titles and got forgotten like Greg Page, John Tate and others.

Are you suggesting Roy Jones would beat all the heavyweights on this list or have I misread your post?

ewenhay wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 12:06

Paci wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 11:10 Roy Jones Jnr would be hell for everyone. Might knock anyone out in the end. But, he if we are going with Jones in his prime, then he might beat all of them.

Otherwise. One can argue that the top 4 guys today shouldn't be on the bracket since well, most of this other guys careers are done. Lets see where AJ, Ruiz, Deontay and Tyson do in the coming years. Four legends? Or a bunch of guys who won titles and got forgotten like Greg Page, John Tate and others.

Are you suggesting Roy Jones would beat all the heavyweights on this list or have I misread your post?

Im going full fanboy! That is the truth!

Paci wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 12:46

ewenhay wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 12:06

Are you suggesting Roy Jones would beat all the heavyweights on this list or have I misread your post?

Im going full fanboy! That is the truth!

Your spelling and grammar is pretty good considering you must be totally pished!

Paci wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 11:10 Roy Jones Jnr would be hell for everyone. Might knock anyone out in the end. But, he if we are going with Jones in his prime, then he might beat all of them.

Otherwise. One can argue that the top 4 guys today shouldn't be on the bracket since well, most of this other guys careers are done. Lets see where AJ, Ruiz, Deontay and Tyson do in the coming years. Four legends? Or a bunch of guys who won titles and got forgotten like Greg Page, John Tate and others.

Jones? Stop smokin' the reefer boyo.

Paci wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 11:10 Roy Jones Jnr would be hell for everyone. Might knock anyone out in the end. But, he if we are going with Jones in his prime, then he might beat all of them.

Otherwise. One can argue that the top 4 guys today shouldn't be on the bracket since well, most of this other guys careers are done. Lets see where AJ, Ruiz, Deontay and Tyson do in the coming years. Four legends? Or a bunch of guys who won titles and got forgotten like Greg Page, John Tate and others.

Drugs are bad

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 11:35

RonnyJ wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 01:26

Which is nonsense since lewis always easily won rds against holyfield, the vitaly fight wasnt this easy.

As for tyson, holmes or holyfield.

I dont know... I'd think Lennox would know better than you since he fought him and it was his opinion.

Considering holy field was better at every phase of the sport, I agree with Lennox.

ewenhay wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 14:13

Paci wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 12:46

Im going full fanboy! That is the truth!

Your spelling and grammar is pretty good considering you must be totally pished!

Thanks!

Duran1970 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 10:43

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 06:22 Rocky Marciano is not on the poll?

Technically no human being is unbeatable so it's virtually impossible. Rocky of course was undefeated, but if you put him against all the great ones, then Muhammad Ali, the Klitschkos, Larry Holmes...one of them would be bound to beat him.

As of today's picture, Wilder has a chance to be the guy who cleans the division and Joshua, if he beats Ruiz in the rematch-and as a Hispanic myself I hope he doesn't- then he has a chance too. But so does Fury so I really don't know!!!

Klitsckos weren't great...

Oh yes they were...boring but great. One of them is in the IBHOF and the other one is a shoo in.

Vitali vs Wilder would be fun.

That ironchined vs that Power. Then again Ali would be hell for anyone cause he is Ali, but think who would win is tough. Since we are talking about different eras and this one is full of robust and huge guys for one. Ali is about 1 cm taller then Usyk, but same reach.
Holmes is solid, Tyson is brutal, Holyfield should be in the mix. Not forgetting Lewis who could beat anyone but didn't real have any rival other then Tyson who was fight without real heart after he lost too Holyfield the second time around.
Have no real view on who would beat who. Speculation is fun thou, Ali might got a shot, cause he is Ali. Then newcomers like AJ, Fury, Wilder and Ruiz might end up being the first wave legends of this new era. Will be a real hangover when it is over.

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 21:46

Duran1970 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2019, 10:43

Klitsckos weren't great...

Oh yes they were...boring but great. One of them is in the IBHOF and the other one is a shoo in.

That means very little nowadays

Ali is a nostalgia vote. I get it.

Prime ali lost to 5'11 frazier, how in hell would he win against lewis or joshua. To much height weight strength disadvantage.

Ali was a more skilled boxer than those super heavyweights, but if only skills would pay the bills, than the roy jones jr version who schoolsd ruiz would be tge great heavyweight ever. He was faster, had better reflexes, footwork everything than all the heavyweights including lewis, why wasnt he boxing lewis etc, to much height weight strength disadvantage.

I'm not convinced that Andy Ruiz is anything over 6 feet despite his listing, and he knocked out Josh

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 12:40 I'm not convinced that Andy Ruiz is anything over 6 feet despite his listing, and he knocked out Josh

He is very big and 6'2. Also got a lucky night. Same as 6'2 rahman had a lucky day against an unmotivated lewis. A motivated lewis than crushed him, as will do joshua with fatty.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 12:40 I'm not convinced that Andy Ruiz is anything over 6 feet despite his listing, and he knocked out Josh

Despite there being just as many examples showing the smaller men beating the bigger men at heavyweight we still get this bigger is better rhetoric.

Kalan-esque

ewenhay wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 13:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 12:40 I'm not convinced that Andy Ruiz is anything over 6 feet despite his listing, and he knocked out Josh

Despite there being just as many examples showing the smaller men beating the bigger men at heavyweight we still get this bigger is better rhetoric.

Kalan-esque

I've already said Ronny J was Kalan.

Too much similarity in their over the top ideas

tiny_acres wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 13:41

ewenhay wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 13:17

Despite there being just as many examples showing the smaller men beating the bigger men at heavyweight we still get this bigger is better rhetoric.

Kalan-esque

I've already said Ronny J was Kalan.

Too much similarity in their over the top ideas

I still think kalan was box buzz.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 13:41

ewenhay wrote: ↑17 Nov 2019, 13:17

Despite there being just as many examples showing the smaller men beating the bigger men at heavyweight we still get this bigger is better rhetoric.

Kalan-esque

I've already said Ronny J was Kalan.

Too much similarity in their over the top ideas

I am not kalan and i dont know who he is.

It doesnt take rocket scientest to understand that height weight reach give someone huge advantage in a fight. If it wouldnt be like this, than holyfield, tyson, tua, peter and povetkin would have ruled the heavyweight division in the last 20 years and not the tall lewis, vitaly k., wladimir k., joshua, fury, wilder.

Doesnt it make sense to you?