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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:34

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:32

Oh, he never does that in other fights? C'mon Margie. That's irrelevant. The dude could come in shredded and he'd clown the very same way.

Wut

I'm just asking, if he was just clowning what did he put together that he couldn't do again. What did Fury actually do to win more rounds than Wilder?

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:36

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:34

Wut

I'm just asking, if he was just clowning what did he put together that he couldn't do again. What did Fury actually do to win more rounds than Wilder?

He avoided being ko'd. He was moving for 12 full rounds. He said he was in the best shape of his life. What was so confusing? I don't think he can do it again. Would you like me to post in another language?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:37

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:36
He avoided being ko'd. He was moving for 12 full rounds. He said he was in the best shape of his life. What was so confusing? I don't think he can do it again. Would you like me to post in another language?

Sure, what languages do you know?

Just was wondering, because it seemed from reading that all he did was stick his tongue out and waive his arms, but then why even score him winning or drawing.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:31

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:27

It mattered to be able to back up my arguments in the face of idiocy, yes.

Plus I had nothing better to do on a rainy day mid week, during the slowest part of the year, it's not like I went through it frame by frame. I just wanted to understand where the Wilder fans were coming from.

I couldn't.

Again it was only close if you ignore all other factors including Fury's defensive skills. And only focus on work put in by Wilder. Which is what a dyed in the wool Wilder fan would do I suppose...

Oh FFS another self-proclaimed expert. Everyone who disagrees is an idiot! I'm not wasting anymore of my time. Ciao!

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:31

Oh FFS another self-proclaimed expert. Everyone who disagrees is an idiot! I'm not wasting anymore of my time. Ciao!

Typical of you Oogibie when you are losing an argument. Argueing with you is like pinning down quicksand.

Just look at the average score cards on-sites like eye on the ring. I'm not an expert. I don't need to be, your position is an outlier.

Which if you follow the logic would suggest you see yourself as the expert unwilling to accept the majority view.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:44

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:40

Typical of you Oogibie when you are losing an argument. Argueing with you is like pinning down quicksand.

Just look at the average score cards on-sites like eye on the ring. I'm not an expert. I don't need to be, your position is an outlier.

Which if you follow the logic would suggest you see yourself as the expert unwilling to accept the majority view.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:46 This is more entertaining than Fury vs Wilder

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:46 This is more entertaining than Fury vs Wilder

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:57 Not totally sure, not convinced in fat Andy at all but wonder about AJ's toughness. Maybe leaning AJ but not fully decided yet

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:58

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:57 Not totally sure, not convinced in fat Andy at all but wonder about AJ's toughness. Maybe leaning AJ but not fully decided yet

Saw a vid with Ruiz that was made the other day. He didn't look as good as those pics that were posted.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 20:04 Also the guy whose predictions I most trust, G Houston, is going with AJ

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:59

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:58
Saw a vid with Ruiz that was made the other day. He didn't look as good as those pics that were posted.

Ya and reading some more stuff he was talking about coming in 10 pounds lighter than the first fight, obviously not far lighter like it may have seemed. Coulda been flattering angles and stuff

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:59

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 19:58
Saw a vid with Ruiz that was made the other day. He didn't look as good as those pics that were posted.

Ya and reading some more stuff he was talking about coming in 10 pounds lighter than the first fight, obviously not far lighter like it may have seemed. Coulda been flattering angles and stuff

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 10:41

Bandog wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 08:42
True. I think Fury averaged landing slightly over one punch per round more than Wilder. People will tune in though, in hopes of seeing a devastating KO by Wilder, or Fury winning ugly, and shutting Wilder up. I'm not convinced Fury wants the rematch though. I'll believe it when he gets in the ring. He could make lots of money in a safer way in fake pro wrestling.

According to Boxstat.co (slow-motion replay), Fury averaged landing 2.5 punches per round more than Wilder.
In a fight with a low number of shots connecting, that actually worked out to be around 30% more punches per round. That is quite a big difference.

But personally I think it is better to watch the fight, as averaging punches is misleading.

I completely agree with the rest of what you said.

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 20:12

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 20:04 Also the guy whose predictions I most trust, G Houston, is going with AJ

G Houston? (sorry I missed the joke)

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 20:46

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 20:12

G Houston? (sorry I missed the joke)

Gram Houston, boxing writer

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 20:51

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 20:46

Gram Houston, boxing writer

poo. He's only been writing since I was born.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 21:10

oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 20:51

poo. He's only been writing since I was born.

You dang youngster

Bandog wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 20:41

Finkel wrote: ↑25 Nov 2019, 10:41

According to Boxstat.co (slow-motion replay), Fury averaged landing 2.5 punches per round more than Wilder.
In a fight with a low number of shots connecting, that actually worked out to be around 30% more punches per round. That is quite a big difference.

But personally I think it is better to watch the fight, as averaging punches is misleading.

I completely agree with the rest of what you said.

Averaging punches is misleading, yes. But that is exactly the spin you are putting on it to show Fury's advantage. He landed one punch per round more throughout the fight according to compubox, and threw about 100 less. Do you give any credit to the busier fighter or the one that landed the most effective punches?

So yes, just watch the fight. People that are fans of Wilder will skew things his way, and vice-versa. I hope the rematch ends in a KO, so there are no sour grapes, punch stats, etc. It will be an ugly fight no doubt until the end, which I hope is round 1.