snake33 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2019, 13:11
AJ boxed for 12 rounds. The sport is called boxing.
I can't understand how anybody other than a novice viewer would have a problem with that.
Fury boxes in boxing. Ali, Holmes, Klitchko, Lewis and both Sugar Rays boxed in boxing.
What's all the whining about ?
i don't really think it's about AJ's performance, more like AJ fanboys reactions. just like WIlder fanboys. The silly tit for tat that goes on here is sometimes too far, and I'm guilty of getting sucked in as well. As I posted before, AJ did what he had to do to win and that meant sticking to a gameplan that was a bit foreign to him. Some go overboard stating it was some sort of Masterclass which is absurd as his opponent was barely 6 feet tall and almost 285 pounds, hardly a threat. AJ is back, but has still taken a bit of a hit on his reputation.
Sure a different tone you have for someone''s performance than when they are down 6-0
snake33 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2019, 13:11
AJ boxed for 12 rounds. The sport is called boxing.
I can't understand how anybody other than a novice viewer would have a problem with that.
Fury boxes in boxing. Ali, Holmes, Klitchko, Lewis and both Sugar Rays boxed in boxing.
What's all the whining about ?
Agree. AJ showed diversity and adaptibility.. The guy who has dropped/stopped all but 1 opponent can box and move too,. It shows learning and ring IQ. Nice performance, if he fights someone like Pulev next there is no need for the same type of approach and I don't think we'll see that either
i don't really think it's about AJ's performance, more like AJ fanboys reactions. just like WIlder fanboys. The silly tit for tat that goes on here is sometimes too far, and I'm guilty of getting sucked in as well. As I posted before, AJ did what he had to do to win and that meant sticking to a gameplan that was a bit foreign to him. Some go overboard stating it was some sort of Masterclass which is absurd as his opponent was barely 6 feet tall and almost 285 pounds, hardly a threat. AJ is back, but has still taken a bit of a hit on his reputation.
Sure a different tone you have for someone''s performance than when they are down 6-0
Meh. All you do is add your own words to mine. I said improvement regarding Wilder, you made up some other shvt each of the 100x' you've "reposted" this. Very tiresome you're becoming. It's two different situations; different outcomes. AJ has always been the more skilled of the two. Wilder the better puncher and better chin. AJ was KO'd in the first fight. While he won the rematch, there is still a lingering affect from that on his rep. Savvy?
It's all stuff you said, it's right there in the threads. Just noting, totally different tones. One guy loses every round and gets praised in like 6 different areas of boxing skill, the other guy gets some pho 'balanced' oh so forgettable, oh people going overboard treatment. Of course, AJ isn't seen the same as when he was unbeaten, but this showed good strengths too
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Dec 2019, 13:28
It's all stuff you said, it's right there in the threads. Just noting, totally different tones. One guy loses every round and gets praised in like 6 different areas of boxing skill, the other guy gets some pho 'balanced' oh so forgettable. Of course, AJ isn't seen the same as when he was unbeaten, but this showed good strengths too
There you go again. I noted 'improvements' in Wilder's performance. Doesn't mean anything more. I gave AJ the credit for turning it around in the rematch, but I won't say it was some sort of remarkable performance, and certainly not a 'masterclass' as some have posted. I even posted that he added to what he brings into a fight. Not sure why you feel compelled to keep this up. Seems silly really.
All of these things mentioned, not me lying about them. Dang, if he showed that losing 6 rounds can you imagine what he'd get if he'd actually outboxed the guy
Just funny to see the 'balanced' , ''people going overboard' card being played on AJ now
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Dec 2019, 13:35
Mobility
Defence
Patience
Timing
Punch technique
Punch selection
All of these things mentioned, not me lying about them. Dang, if he showed that losing 6 rounds can you imagine what he'd get if he'd actually outboxed the guy
Just funny to see the 'balanced' card being played on AJ now
And I said improvements in those areas.
Wilder approached the Ortiz fight with the aim to win. He wasn't going to decision him, so he had a gameplan to be patient and wait to have that opening to fire the straight right. It worked. He kayoed him in seven.
AJ approached the fight with an aim to win. He wasn't going to KO Ruiz and had been TKO"d the last time out. So he had a gameplan to be patient and work behind the jab and stay out of trouble by sticking and moving. It worked. He decisioned him.
Neither performance was amazing (although the actual KO punch by Wilder was devastating.) Both did what they needed to do to win. Not sure what you THINK I mean when I post, but my words should be all you need.
If the jab reach style works why not use it? Maybe blame Ruiz for not switching up.
Imo opinion Joshua did great the second fight, why would he get in to a brawl? Does not make any sense after the first fight. I dont see it as boring, i see it as a well executed gameplan.
Boxtune wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 18:22
Lennox lewis never fought like that when he faced David Tua and mike Tyson. He brought fight to them.
Even referee was paid off. He never allowed any clinch to last more than 3 seconds. You need to exchange from diatance like wilder, but joushua was trowing jabs and moving backward or circling. This was most disgusting BORING fight ever.
IMHO wilder, fury, Hargovic , Ajagba all can beat joshua today.
Seamus wrote: ↑10 Dec 2019, 20:00
I'd call this an outstanding performance if AJ was a light hitting 210 pounder who beat Ruiz by sticking and moving for 12 rds. Instead it was a Herculean heavyweight already obviously conceded he didn't have the power or the chin to trade with Andy,
In a nutshell, getting on his bike in the rematch essentially admitted the first fight wasn't a fluke, an admission that if he stood in range and got busy with Andy he'd het the quit beat out of him, again.
Quite the contrary, this was a fluke proof plan. Ruiz sucks.
In a nutshell, getting on his bike in the rematch essentially admitted the first fight wasn't a fluke, an admission that if he stood in range and got busy with Andy he'd het the quit beat out of him, again.
Quite the contrary, this was a fluke proof plan. Ruiz sucks.
Ruiz would ice him 10 times out of 10 if AJ came to fight.
From my perspective AJs performance was truely impressive. But what does this mean for future fights? Will he conserve rather than push conflict? I’m hoping he gets some confidence back as the AJ of old could wobble you with a jab. If there was anyone to stop Wilder it was that AJ.
