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world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 17:14

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 17:07
I'm not saying many people understand how to evaluate a resume, but anybody that considers every loss a negative doesn't have a clue.

Losing is a negative. Nobody once to be considered a loser. If you want to say a loss COULD be a learning process but most times your just not good enough. A loss is Never a good thing.

99.99% of the GOATS have a loss or a few, or even many. Not sure if you're taking the piss here.

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 17:14

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 17:07
I'm not saying many people understand how to evaluate a resume, but anybody that considers every loss a negative doesn't have a clue.

Losing is a negative. Nobody once to be considered a loser. If you want to say a loss COULD be a learning process but most times your just not good enough. A loss is Never a good thing.

When the best fight the best losing is part of the game. This illusion of invicibility is a thing that might have started in the 90's then got pushed by Floyd.

No great fighter from the 80's and bellow is considered less of a great because of a loss.

Onekrazyrican wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 17:41 When the best fight the best losing is part of the game. This illusion of invicibility is a thing that might have started in the 90's then got pushed by Floyd.

No great fighter from the 80's and bellow is considered less of a great because of a loss.

Yeah that was 40 years ago. Boxing is the same can't compare that era to this era. Now a loss more effect because of the floyd effect.

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 17:22

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 17:14

Losing is a negative. Nobody once to be considered a loser. If you want to say a loss COULD be a learning process but most times your just not good enough. A loss is Never a good thing.

99.99% of the GOATS have a loss or a few, or even many. Not sure if you're taking the piss here.

Yes but 99.99 of boxers aren't great. Yes thats because they beat other greats. You don't become great just by losing. You have to beat another great.

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:30

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 17:22
99.99% of the GOATS have a loss or a few, or even many. Not sure if you're taking the piss here.

Yes but 99.99 of boxers aren't great. Yes thats because they beat other greats. You don't become great just by losing. You have to beat another great.

So again, Joe Louis? Carlos Monzon? SR Leonard? SRR? Lennox Lewis? Thomas Hearns? Ali? Foreman? et al. All not great?

So only Money Mayweather and Marciano were great? C'mon man. Surely you are either stubbornly defending a bad position or fvkg with us all.

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:33

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:30

Yes but 99.99 of boxers aren't great. Yes thats because they beat other greats. You don't become great just by losing. You have to beat another great.

So again, Joe Louis? Carlos Monzon? SR Leonard? SRR? Lennox Lewis? Thomas Hearns? Ali? Foreman? et al. All not great?

So only Money Mayweather and Marciano were great? C'mon man. Surely you are either stubbornly defending a bad position or fvkg with us all.

It's all great talking the 1 percent who did it. For everyone of those I can give you the Prince Hameed, David Reid, Kostya Tsyzu, Ike Quartey, Guillermo Rigo, Juan Diaz, Zab Judah, Jermain Taylor guys who lost there first fights and was never the same and didn't reach higher limits after a loss.

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:38

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:33

So again, Joe Louis? Carlos Monzon? SR Leonard? SRR? Lennox Lewis? Thomas Hearns? Ali? Foreman? et al. All not great?

So only Money Mayweather and Marciano were great? C'mon man. Surely you are either stubbornly defending a bad position or fvkg with us all.

It's all great talking the 1 percent who did it. For everyone of those I can give you the Prince Hameed, David Reid, Kostya Tsyzu, Ike Quartey, Guillermo Rigo, Juan Diaz, Zab Judah, Jermain Taylor guys who lost there first fights and was never the same and didn't reach higher limits after a loss.

My point was that 99.99% of the greatest fighters of all time lost at least one fight. You're talking jibberish. You definitively posted that a loss makes a fighter never to be great again. Now you are moving the goal posts. I'm done.

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:43

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:38

It's all great talking the 1 percent who did it. For everyone of those I can give you the Prince Hameed, David Reid, Kostya Tsyzu, Ike Quartey, Guillermo Rigo, Juan Diaz, Zab Judah, Jermain Taylor guys who lost there first fights and was never the same and didn't reach higher limits after a loss.

My point was that 99.99% of the greatest fighters of all time lost at least one fight. You're talking jibberish. You definitively posted that a loss makes a fighter never to be great again. Now you are moving the goal posts. I'm done.

Just simply stating talking about era long ago is not the same as post Floyd-era. This aint the Hearns-Hagler era. Its the money, belt grab without facing anyone-make up belt era. You can live in that dream world era.

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:54

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:43
My point was that 99.99% of the greatest fighters of all time lost at least one fight. You're talking jibberish. You definitively posted that a loss makes a fighter never to be great again. Now you are moving the goal posts. I'm done.

Just simply stating talking about era long ago is not the same as post Floyd-era. This aint the Hearns-Hagler era. Its the money, belt grab without facing anyone-make up belt era. You can live in that dream world era.

Even in today's era, losing to a great fighter doesn't nail the coffin shut on a great career or fighter. Loma; Canelo to name two. The diff now is very few fighters are fighting their best competitors. If they did, it'd be the same as prior eras no?. So I'm not following you.

Donaire just had an excellent loss. Saying otherwise is laughable.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:17 Donaire just had an excellent loss. Saying otherwise is laughable.

Yeah he lost. I don't care if a guy fought well he still lost. If you want to cheer for loveable loser go ahead. Doing better
than expected is just that. Excellent loss lol.

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:58

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:54

Just simply stating talking about era long ago is not the same as post Floyd-era. This aint the Hearns-Hagler era. Its the money, belt grab without facing anyone-make up belt era. You can live in that dream world era.

Even in today's era, losing to a great fighter doesn't nail the coffin shut on a great career or fighter. Loma; Canelo to name two. The diff now is very few fighters are fighting their best competitors. If they did, it'd be the same as prior eras no?. So I'm not following you.

Again you are talking about elite fighters. For everyone of those there hundreds who never the same after of loss. The only reasonable one would be Anthony Joshua and Julian Williams and even in Joshua case he has not gain the steam he had prior to the Ruiz 1 fight. He can't regain that unless what? He beats another great otherwise his career will never reach its trejectory prior to Ruiz.

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:24

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 18:58
Even in today's era, losing to a great fighter doesn't nail the coffin shut on a great career or fighter. Loma; Canelo to name two. The diff now is very few fighters are fighting their best competitors. If they did, it'd be the same as prior eras no?. So I'm not following you.

Again you are talking about elite fighters. For everyone of those there hundreds who never the same after of loss. The only reasonable one would be Anthony Joshua and Julian Williams and even in Joshua case he has not gain the steam he had prior to the Ruiz 1 fight. He can't regain that unless what? He beats another great otherwise his career will never reach its trejectory prior to Ruiz.

That's different than your original argument, but I'll let it go because I'm bored with this.

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:20

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:17 Donaire just had an excellent loss. Saying otherwise is laughable.

Yeah he lost. I don't care if a guy fought well he still lost. If you want to cheer for loveable loser go ahead. Doing better
than expected is just that. Excellent loss lol.

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:28

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:24

Again you are talking about elite fighters. For everyone of those there hundreds who never the same after of loss. The only reasonable one would be Anthony Joshua and Julian Williams and even in Joshua case he has not gain the steam he had prior to the Ruiz 1 fight. He can't regain that unless what? He beats another great otherwise his career will never reach its trejectory prior to Ruiz.

That's different than your original argument, but I'll let it go because I'm bored with this.

Lol, Ruiz was not a good loss.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:28
That's different than your original argument, but I'll let it go because I'm bored with this.

Lol, Ruiz was not a good loss.

Like I said. I'm done with him on this topic. Makes no sense and he changes his points every post.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:28
That's different than your original argument, but I'll let it go because I'm bored with this.

Lol, Ruiz was not a good loss.

No such thing as a good loss to me. I only choose Joshua to simply make a case that he can will never get to the level he was at prior to the Ruiz fight unless he beats a great fighter after this same Teofimo theres no such thing as a good loss. In order to validate a loss to Loma he has to beat another great otherwise he will not meet an higher stage than right now in career.

-NO loss is a good loss
_for every fighter you name who came back to be great I can name hundreds who never came back to level prior to losing.
_Can't compare fighters from 40 years ago to post floyd (money) era.

Simple points. Not moving goal post

oogiebe wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:52

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 19:39

Lol, Ruiz was not a good loss.

Like I said. I'm done with him on this topic. Makes no sense and he changes his points every post.

Very good idea.

Ask Julian Williams or Donaire was there losses good losses

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 13:21

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Dec 2019, 20:40

Nonsense, losses to top fighters in competitive fights are better than most wins. Nobody faults loma for losing to salido. Nor should they, it was his second fight.

I don't agree with no one gave Loma flack. Whenever people would bring up Loma p4p for a long time people say he shouldn't
lose to Salido level fighter if you p4p. Nobody give world class credit for losing. Nobody really remembers say Felix Sturm beat Oscar De la Hoya its considered a loss.

But the people who threw that shade Loma's way were always morons.

squiggy wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 20:45

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 13:21

I don't agree with no one gave Loma flack. Whenever people would bring up Loma p4p for a long time people say he shouldn't
lose to Salido level fighter if you p4p. Nobody give world class credit for losing. Nobody really remembers say Felix Sturm beat Oscar De la Hoya its considered a loss.

But the people who threw that shade Loma's way were always morons.

Don't disagree

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 13:21

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Dec 2019, 20:40

Nonsense, losses to top fighters in competitive fights are better than most wins. Nobody faults loma for losing to salido. Nor should they, it was his second fight.

I don't agree with no one gave Loma flack. Whenever people would bring up Loma p4p for a long time people say he shouldn't
lose to Salido level fighter if you p4p. Nobody give world class credit for losing. Nobody really remembers say Felix Sturm beat Oscar De la Hoya its considered a loss.

Loma wasn’t P4P though when he lost his 2nd bout.

“We are still negotiating on where the location is gonna be,” Lopez (15-0, 12KOs) revealed during a Friday visit on the set of ESPN’s Coast to Coast SportsCenter of the championship clash, which is being groomed for April. “Hopefully we get everything sorted out to make that type of fight happen, especially this year. New decade, new year and I think that we start it off with a bang.

“The Garden is always my home. But I think the fight fans are gonna enjoy it no matter where it is.”

“Not only do I entertain better but I think honestly, it's just the fact that I figure out the opponent—just as he would. But my thing is, I don't leave it to the judges,” notes Lopez. “I don't try to look pretty while doing it. I go out there and I take out my opponent.”

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑04 Jan 2020, 03:39

world ranked wrote: ↑03 Jan 2020, 13:21

I don't agree with no one gave Loma flack. Whenever people would bring up Loma p4p for a long time people say he shouldn't
lose to Salido level fighter if you p4p. Nobody give world class credit for losing. Nobody really remembers say Felix Sturm beat Oscar De la Hoya its considered a loss.

Loma wasn’t P4P though when he lost his 2nd bout.

Once he got that argument most use that loss a reason he wasn't P4P.