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Posted: **09 Jul 2020, 07:22**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Jul 2020, 07:11
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jul 2020, 07:04 I’ve read somewhere that the Fury-Wilder PPV event achieved a buy-rate that was slightly more than 750K, with both fighters guaranteed $25m purses.

The PPV in the US was priced between $70 and $80, depending on whether the event was viewed in HD or not. This equates to the total PPV revenue that was generated in the region of $52m to $60m.
https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2020/02 ... -ppv-buys/

Total digital buys were around 1.2m

Initial suggestions that the heavyweight blockbuster did under a million sales have been corrected by Arum, who says digital purchases haven’t been considered.

Therefore, Fury’s spectacular victory over Wilder in front of a sell-out crowd at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas did indeed hit over one million sales.

“In regards to the Fury vs Wilder (II) Pay-Per-View, they don’t have the digital numbers yet. The digital is well over 300,000 buys,” Arum exclusively told World Boxing News.

“It’s probably sort of accurate (the 850,000 reported). But then you add in the digital on top of that. So three hundred and change (to 850,000). It’s closer to 1.2 million.”

Once officially crunched, those final tallies will be a solid return to the big time for heavyweight boxing in the United States.

If what Bob Arum is claiming is true, then the 1.2m buy-rate is an impressive figure.

However, Wilder-Fury’s guaranteed total purse pot was allegedly $50m.

And if 50% to 60% of the gross PPV revenue figure is retained by the various cable and satellite distributors, the Wilder-Fury rematch still incurred losses, because the guaranteed purses were too big.

Like I said before, Bob Arum originally predicted in February a 2m PPV buy-rate and even if his 1.2m figure was correct, it is still woefully short of the original Top Rank estimate.

It’s just basic number crunching. It isn’t a personal opinion.

Revenue - costs = profit or loss (i.e. 84m to 96m PPV revenue, minus 50% to 60% ditributor fess, minus $50m purse pot guarantee).

Posted: **09 Jul 2020, 07:28**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑09 Jul 2020, 07:18
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jul 2020, 07:04 However, both fighters had already agreed to an immediate rematch clause (for a contract negotiated & signed during May 2019), which will inevitably include purse splits and guaranteed minimums.

So would it be wrong of me to assume that the third Wilder-Fury bout is likely to be another loss-making event?

Let’s not forget that Bob Arum originally predicted in February that the Wilder-Fury rematch would top 2m PPV buys? The final figure was woefully short of that number.

And did Fox Sports and ESPN use that estimate in the contractual negotiations that occurred between the Wilder and Fury teams during May of last year?

Barry Hearn recently expressed his doubt about the third Wilder-Fury fight taking place unless both fighters agreed to renegotiate their deals with ESPN & Fox, given the fact that many industry insiders believe both networks lost fortunes covering their previous bouts.

He thinks the original terms of their deals must be revised. And I wonder if this is what has happened?
The trilogy purse splits were announced and agreed as part of the rematch being agreed.. It was in the contracts.. Unless they both agree to re-negotiate the contracts? I don't know how it would work.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/09/ar ... se-splits/

Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury have already signed for a trilogy fight between them for next year, says Top Rank Boxing promoter Bob Arum. He says the purse split for the winner of the Wilder vs. Fury trilogy will get 60% of the purse, and the loser 40%.

Fury gets 50-50 purse split for Wilder rematch on February 22

For the upcoming second Wilder-Fury 2 fight on February 22 next year, the purse split down the middle at 50-50. Fury getting 50 percent of the pot for the Wilder rematch is a great deal. It’s no wonder Arum chose to have Fury sign for a third fight with Wilder. If Fury can win a decision, he stands to make a lot of money.

“It’s a signed deal,” said Arum about a rematch between Wilder and Fury for February. “Not only is it a signed deal for a second fight between the two best heavyweights in the world, the winner of the fight for a third fight, which is already signed, gets 60 percent of everything and the loser 40 percent. Right now, it’s signed for the second fight. Each side gets 50 percent. I would prefer it take place in Las Vegas,” said Arum about the February 22 rematch between Wilder and Fury,” said Arum.

Maybe they won't need to sell AS MUCH on the promotional side of things?

Basically, both fighters have agreed to massive pay cuts, since there's no mention of guaranteed minimums?

Both fighters were guaranteed $25m each for their February bout.

Posted: **09 Jul 2020, 12:07**

Lol some people seem to forget that people other than the fighters have to get paid too, they dont run charity

Posted: **09 Jul 2020, 12:16**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jul 2020, 07:22
Like I said before, Bob Arum originally predicted in February a 2m PPV buy-rate and even if his 1.2m figure was correct, it is still woefully short of the original Top Rank estimate.

Arum, De la Hoya, they're all the same.. They always predict their PPV's are gonna do daft numbers. It's just all hype.

GBP predicted Canelo/GGG was going to do over 2m as well.

Posted: **06 Sep 2020, 03:52**

Wilder Injured Bicep in Camp For Fury, Says Sparring Partner Fa

"Yes, [it was] the bicep injury [that he suffered in camp]. I don't know the extent of the damage, but he did hurt it, yeah," Fa told Sky Sports.

"I was very shocked [by the Wilder defeat]. The lead up and the training was actually really good. Deontay was looking great. I think he did hurt himself towards the end of camp, which I don't think would have played too much into the fight, but then I don't really know the extent of the damage of the injury that he sustained," Fa said.

"What I do know [is] that he did get injured, but I was very surprised by Fury's game plan. As soon as the fight started, and I saw Fury not really taking a backward step, trying to push Wilder to the ropes, I was thinking 'Oh man, this is going to be a hard night for Wilder.' Fury just basically did what he said he was going to do, which was stop the biggest puncher in the world. That was a very, very good performance from him."

Posted: **06 Sep 2020, 05:42**

Heavy costume, injured bicep. Poor, poor Deontay...

Posted: **06 Sep 2020, 14:14**

DrDuke wrote: ↑06 Sep 2020, 05:42 Heavy costume, injured bicep. Poor, poor Deontay...

Has he come up with the someone spiked his drink line yet, or am I getting my sports mixed up?

Posted: **09 Sep 2020, 04:47**

Deontay Wilder set to break silence on Tyson Fury

WBN spoke exclusively to Deontay Wilder’s manager Shelly Finkel on Monday evening to get assurances regarding a future encounter with Tyson Fury.

Speculation, as always, has been rife in the United Kingdom surrounding whether Wilder will negate on a trilogy following defeat last February.

The reverse, a first in 44 bouts for the American, will be the catalyst for Wilder’s return to action.

Finkel assured WBN that Wilder is fine. He’s healthy and ready to fight as a calendar mark of December 19 remains possible.

Asked about rumors Wilder was hurt in sparring before his rematch stoppage to Fury, Finkel was clearly fed up with the British media’s attempts to smear the ex-WBC champ.

“Deontay banged his arm in training, it was nothing,” Finkel exclusively told World Boxing News. “Who is this guy (Junior) Fa?

“When the time is right we will give more information on the third fight.”

He continued by stating WBN would be the first to know when an official announcement comes.

“We will be making an announcement in the next two weeks. When we are ready we will let you know. But Deontay is focused on the third fight.

“Most of what is being written now is not worth a response. Deontay wants revenge in the rematch,” he added.

WBN understands a rumored date before the end of the year can still happen despite the current saga regarding the pandemic.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 06:53**

Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder 3: Plans moving forward with December target date at new US stadium

Tyson Fury’s trilogy fight with Deontay Wilder is making progress to take place on December 19, according to Bob Arum.

It has been widely known that this is the target date for the bout for several months now.

However, due to the ongoing pandemic it remains unclear whether fans will be allowed in attendance in the US.

This is crucial as, without a crowd, the organisers lose out on ticket sales worth upwards of $15million.

There have been ideas mooted about taking the fight overseas, though Fury’s promoter Bob Arum recently told talkSPORT they are struggling to get firm guarantees from any country’s health minister that it would definitely be able to happen.

As a result, he’s said they are sticking with their original plan of staging Fury vs Wilder 3 on December 19 at the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas.

The idea would be for the new 65,000-capacity stadium to host 10,000-15,000 socially distanced fans.

“That’s what we’re moving ahead on, on all fronts, with the security, with the virus, and everything,” Arum told ESPN.

“We’re talking with everybody here in town, with the Raiders.

“So we’re optimistic that we’ll be able to do the event in Nevada, in Las Vegas.”

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 06:54**

Arum wanted this for the Loma-Lopez event as well..

Wouldn't be bad idea.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 07:18**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 06:54 Arum wanted this for the Loma-Lopez event as well..

Wouldn't be bad idea.

It's too good to be real.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 07:40**

Best thing is to scrap it, stop faffing about and move ahead with the Joshua bout before Joshua gets beaten again. Fury beat Wilder so easily, there's no need for this bout

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 07:44**

On this matter I agree with hearn , wilder has nowhere to go after the 3rd fight with fury who will just knock the F out of him .

Although I think hearn would also try and match a future wilder fight with AJ if he could as this would be a a big money fight

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 07:52**

Good luck with the social distancing if Fury's traveller fan base are in attendance.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 11:59**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 06:54 Arum wanted this for the Loma-Lopez event as well..

Wouldn't be bad idea.

Yes it might have been a great way to get the world's attention back to boxing whilst many other sports are still in disarray bickering over politics and money.

Alas, boxing is still way too splintered for its own good to be able to provide any assurances of great entertainment.

Where's Dana White? Come back, all is forgiven.

Right now 2 other big fights coming up look more promising than the nebulous Wilder v Fury 3.

Both are also free to watch - Alvarez v De La Hoya (v DAZN), and of course that ultimate battle of wits, Trump v Biden.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 13:18**

Wilder is injury prone, pins in his right hand and 35. This next fight could be his last shot.
Unless he lands the right hand, he'll have to retire into unbelievable wealth.
Poor guy.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 13:19**

snake33 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 13:18 Wilder is injury prone, pins in his right hand and 35. This next fight could be his last shot.
Unless he lands the right hand, he'll have to retire into unbelievable wealth.
Poor guy.

He may have to retire. Not sure about the "unbelievable wealth" part. Though he's certainly better off than most of us I'm sure.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 14:36**

IRONFIST wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 07:40 Best thing is to scrap it, stop faffing about and move ahead with the Joshua bout before Joshua gets beaten again. Fury beat Wilder so easily, there's no need for this bout

100%

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 15:14**

15,000 fans is decent coin and atmosphere.
Better than nothing.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 18:06**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 13:19
snake33 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 13:18 Wilder is injury prone, pins in his right hand and 35. This next fight could be his last shot.
Unless he lands the right hand, he'll have to retire into unbelievable wealth.
Poor guy.
He may have to retire. Not sure about the "unbelievable wealth" part. Though he's certainly better off than most of us I'm sure.

He's still got a fight with Joshua nailed on. It won't earn him anywhere near as much money as it once did, but they'll definitely fight.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 18:11**

Cyclops wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 18:06
gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 13:19
snake33 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 13:18 Wilder is injury prone, pins in his right hand and 35. This next fight could be his last shot.
Unless he lands the right hand, he'll have to retire into unbelievable wealth.
Poor guy.
He may have to retire. Not sure about the "unbelievable wealth" part. Though he's certainly better off than most of us I'm sure.
He's still got a fight with Joshua nailed on. It won't earn him anywhere near as much money as it once did, but they'll definitely fight.

I'd still love to see him against Joshua definitely.

Posted: **11 Sep 2020, 21:54**

After Fury beat his ass a bunch of dudes here was circle jerking about how Wilder was still the #2 hw and would still beat Josh, it would still be a fight we'd all watch

Posted: **12 Sep 2020, 20:57**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 21:54 After Fury beat his ass a bunch of dudes here was circle jerking about how Wilder was still the #2 hw and would still beat Josh, it would still be a fight we'd all watch

"circle jerking"

Is that like bukake ?!

Posted: **12 Sep 2020, 21:03**

it can be whatever the participants make of it

Posted: **13 Sep 2020, 03:01**

skanksta wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 20:57
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 Sep 2020, 21:54 After Fury beat his ass a bunch of dudes here was circle jerking about how Wilder was still the #2 hw and would still beat Josh, it would still be a fight we'd all watch
"circle jerking"

Is that like bukake ?!

You'll just have to Google it.

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