Whether Floyd allowed it or not is not relevant. Conor was more competitive than Alvarez. Why didn't he let canelo or anyone else snap his head back. He knew McGregor couldn't beat him but conor surprised him with his ability, and everyone else without an agenda. Canelo would smash McGregor, but he can never Say he was more competitive with Floyd. Not that Saul would ever bring it up.
Maybe he allowed McGregor to work and didn't do that in the case with Canelo, because McGregor was known to punch himself out early? Being outsmarted like that and battered after it is so competetive.
Doesn't matter, my opinion is Floyd could have stopped him earlier but got surprised. Either way, Alvarez has no idea what it is to hit Floyd clean whatever the opinion there, though it makes no sense, the question was straight, and anybody that says Canelo gave him any issue is one of those Floyd never fought anyone morons afraid of canelos continuously building legacy.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Maybe he allowed McGregor to work and didn't do that in the case with Canelo, because McGregor was known to punch himself out early? Being outsmarted like that and battered after it is so competetive.
Doesn't matter, my opinion is Floyd could have stopped him earlier but got surprised. Either way, Alvarez has no idea what it is to hit Floyd clean whatever the opinion there, though it makes no sense, the question was straight, and anybody that says Canelo gave him any issue is one of those Floyd never fought anyone morons afraid of canelos continuously building legacy.
As the result Canelo didn't give Mayweather any issue, because Canelo was a threat at every minute, Mayweather just couldn't give him chances. And McGregor was toyed with, which was even more humiliating and that's not a sign a competition FFS.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Doesn't matter, my opinion is Floyd could have stopped him earlier but got surprised. Either way, Alvarez has no idea what it is to hit Floyd clean whatever the opinion there, though it makes no sense, the question was straight, and anybody that says Canelo gave him any issue is one of those Floyd never fought anyone morons afraid of canelos continuously building legacy.
As the result Canelo didn't give Mayweather any issue, because Canelo was a threat at every minute, Mayweather just couldn't give him chances. And McGregor was toyed with, which was even more humiliating and that's not a sign a competition FFS.
The result is who did better, McGregor by a mile.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 04:14
by ewenhay
Why are people arguing over this?
Both were absolutely abysmal in different ways. There's no glory here for fans of one to claim their man did better.
"My guy landed one more punch than your guy but got knocked out."
"My guy was bemused and befuddled for 12 rounds but paid off one of the judges."
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 04:28
by Onetimeonly
ewenhay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2020, 04:14
Why are people arguing over this?
Both were absolutely abysmal in different ways. There's no glory here for fans of one to claim their man did better.
"My guy landed one more punch than your guy but got knocked out."
"My guy was bemused and befuddled for 12 rounds but paid off one of the judges."
Its the thread, why ask and offer?
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
As the result Canelo didn't give Mayweather any issue, because Canelo was a threat at every minute, Mayweather just couldn't give him chances. And McGregor was toyed with, which was even more humiliating and that's not a sign a competition FFS.
The result is who did better, McGregor by a mile.
It's quite dumb to name performance better because of the single landed clean punch. Can lucky punch KOs be great performances? Definitely not. McGregor landed clean once, Canelo did no such thing, but overall McGregor ended up with a more hard and humiliating loss.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 08:05
by Boxerbeetle
You could certainly argue that McGregor did better because he did win some early rounds and landed a handful of decent punches, whereas Canelo didn’t do either of those things.
On the other hand, Floyd was clearly 100% focused during the Canelo fight and treated him with respect and caution throughout, whereas I felt he carried McGregor and then easily stopped him when he chose to, and probably could have stopped him within the first couple of rounds if he’d wanted to.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 10:00
by DrDuke
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑15 Mar 2020, 08:05
You could certainly argue that McGregor did better because he did win some early rounds and landed a handful of decent punches, whereas Canelo didn’t do either of those things.
On the other hand, Floyd was clearly 100% focused during the Canelo fight and treated him with respect and caution throughout, whereas I felt he carried McGregor and then easily stopped him when he chose to, and probably could have stopped him within the first couple of rounds if he’d wanted to.
He could do it early against McGregor for sure, but there obviously were more chances to be caught. So, Floyd didn't take any risks, he toyed with McGregor, made him to punch himself out and broke him down.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 10:16
by Onetimeonly
ewenhay wrote: ↑15 Mar 2020, 07:47
Even lamer trolling people about it
Well, at least you admit it.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
It's quite dumb to name performance better because of the single landed clean punch. Can lucky punch KOs be great performances? Definitely not. McGregor landed clean once, Canelo did no such thing, but overall McGregor ended up with a more hard and humiliating loss.
Lol, if it's quite dumb why you do it incorrectly? You're a child getting progressively more childish. It would be dumb to consider you worth reading because you make a decent point here or there. McGregor had the most impressive debut in history and by far the most lucrative,, humiliating that you're so prideful to go to such extremes to never admit you're wrong.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
It's quite dumb to name performance better because of the single landed clean punch. Can lucky punch KOs be great performances? Definitely not. McGregor landed clean once, Canelo did no such thing, but overall McGregor ended up with a more hard and humiliating loss.
Lol, if it's quite dumb why you do it incorrectly? You're a child getting progressively more childish. It would be dumb to consider you worth reading because you make a decent point here or there. McGregor had the most impressive debut in history and by far the most lucrative,, humiliating that you're so prideful to go to such extremes to never admit you're wrong.
Don't get upset, bruh. His debut is the most lucrative, but when a one fighter makes a fool of the other one and then smacks him, that looks humiliating.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 19:47
by Tevfik1907
Floyd didn't even throw a serious punch in the first round, he was clearly toying (for the right reasons) with Conor. Because the fight was hyped like hell, and he needed make it exciting for a couple of rounds, and he gave time to Conor to get used to fight like a pro boxer instead of an mma fighter, that was Conor's first pro boxing match in his life, Lmao.
Statistics means nothing in Conor fight, Floyd was obviously carrying the fight, unlike he was doing it in his other fights.
Floyd is not a knockout artist, he never was. His KO ratio is one of the lowest amongst the other greatest welterweight boxers in the history. He simply carried Conor in the first rounds and then he finished him off with a KO.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 15 Mar 2020, 22:36
by adislav123
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2020, 19:47
Floyd didn't even throw a serious punch in the first round, he was clearly toying (for the right reasons) with Conor. Because the fight was hyped like hell, and he needed make it exciting for a couple of rounds, and he gave time to Conor to get used to fight like a pro boxer instead of an mma fighter, that was Conor's first pro boxing match in his life, Lmao.
Statistics means nothing in Conor fight, Floyd was obviously carrying the fight, unlike he was doing it in his other fights.
Floyd is not a knockout artist, he never was. His KO ratio is one of the lowest amongst the other greatest welterweight boxers in the history. He simply carried Conor in the first rounds and then he finished him off with a KO.
effing "finished him off with a KO"! yeah right! knockout of the year!
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 16 Mar 2020, 03:39
by margaret thatcher
Some amazing effort though, he really 'went for it' didn't he
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2020, 19:47
Floyd didn't even throw a serious punch in the first round, he was clearly toying (for the right reasons) with Conor. Because the fight was hyped like hell, and he needed make it exciting for a couple of rounds, and he gave time to Conor to get used to fight like a pro boxer instead of an mma fighter, that was Conor's first pro boxing match in his life, Lmao.
Statistics means nothing in Conor fight, Floyd was obviously carrying the fight, unlike he was doing it in his other fights.
Floyd is not a knockout artist, he never was. His KO ratio is one of the lowest amongst the other greatest welterweight boxers in the history. He simply carried Conor in the first rounds and then he finished him off with a KO.
effing "finished him off with a KO"! yeah right! knockout of the year!
What's your argument here? Are you trying to say Conor gave him trouble and he wasn't a KO worthy low tier opponent for Floyd?
Or are you sharing your personal opinion about your dislike on Floyd's KO?
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 16 Mar 2020, 12:51
by ralph-nyc
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 12:08
Castillo legit beat him.
He should thank Bob Arum for his overrated career.
How is it overrated when he beat several great fighters? He is an all time great.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Tevfik1907 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 12:08
Castillo legit beat him.
He should thank Bob Arum for his overrated career.
How is it overrated when he beat several great fighters? He is an all time great.
It's overrated because he is bragging about that 50-0, being undefeated when he isn't. If he actually lost that invincibility as he should've against Castillo, he would definitely lose his charm at the beginning of his career.
That defeat would also make things even harder for him, since he was consistently ducking fights in his whole career. And he didn't collect all the belts at the same time as Holyfield said.
"My whole thing [is this], he is a great fighter. But to actually say that [he's beaten everyone], you've got to be the undisputed. You need to get all the belts at one time and let everybody know that I beat everybody who had a belt and I am undisputed.
You can't just say 'I got this WBC belt, I got this WBC belt and I got this WBC belt,' and all of them are WBCs and you don't got the rest of the belts to say you are undisputed," Holyfield told Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. "The whole big thing is, its not just this one belt - its all of these other belts.
I wanted to be undisputed, where you can say that I am the undisputed champion of the world. Ever since [Muhammad] Ali left, there wasn't an undisputed champion until [Mike] Tyson was the first one to be made undisputed, then Buster Douglas, then me, then Riddick Bowe and then Lennox Lewis. Lennox was the last one [at heavyweight]. That was five guys who took the time and said 'I don't just want to be one of the champions - I want to be undisputed where everyone knows at that time that I was the very best. "That's the only thing that Floyd is missing, because he was never the undisputed world champion in any weight division."
That's why I find his career overrated, due to already losing a fight before and ducking fights later.
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 17 Mar 2020, 01:22
by Puncher7
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Mar 2020, 13:00
It's obvious with the McGregor fight that a lot of boxing fans were stung and simply will be steadfast in denying the obvious, which is that McG did better than most of Floyd's opponents. Sure, maybe Floyd didn't take it seriously and was old, whatever, but McG had a lot more success than most, including Canelo.
Also , I understand the anti-MMA stuff putting people against the McG fight being here, but Castillo 2? I mean ya, Floyd won clear and it wasn't super close like the first fight, but that was very very easily more success for Castillo than Canelo. Maybe some people forget how totally Canelo got tooled, you almost felt embarrassed for him
Conor only did as good as Floyd allowed him to do. Floyd admittedly didn't train or spar for that fight. In a recent interview he said he only did pushups/situps occasionally before getting ready for mcgregor.
Also, its like floyd said - if he went out there and blasted mcgregor out(I think it's pretty clear to anyone who knows anything about boxing could see that floyd could've done this) then nobody would want to see a potential rematch and more easy money. But if they put on a "show" and made it exciting then a rematch is sellable. If mcgregor was any sort of a challenge why would floyd be campaigning to fight mcgregor and khabib on the same day?
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 17 Mar 2020, 01:28
by margaret thatcher
Canelo only did what Floyd allowed him too, which was nothing
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 17 Mar 2020, 05:05
by Puncher7
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Mar 2020, 01:28
Canelo only did what Floyd allowed him too, which was nothing
agreed that Floyd outclassed Canelo..... he still tried way harder vs Canelo than he did Conor and still ended up stopping Conor
Re: Boxers that did better than Canelo against FMJ
Posted: 17 Mar 2020, 06:55
by Enlightened-One
Styles makes fights (i.e. Foreman destroys Frazier and Norton, therefore he should be capable of demolishing Ali, but this does not happen in reality).
The same principle applied to the Canelo-Mayweather Jr. fight, since most of us were expecting a highly-competitive contest, but style wise, the American simply had the Mexican’s number.
The most important thing is that his 2013 loss against Mayweather Jr. made Canelo a better fighter. He learned many lessons from that painfully one-sided defeat.
Whilst I appreciate the purpose of this thread is to express anti-Canelo or anti-Mayweather Jr. sentiments, I feel we should be applauding the Mexican for the massive improvements he’s made to his fighting style.
No one should consider themselves as being a genuine hard-core fan of the sport of boxing if they refuse to recognise Canelo’s stylistic improvements, since he’s clearly a much better fighter today than he was seven years ago.
Canelo is clearly in good company, because the likes of Manny Pacquiao, Juan Manuel Marquez, Bernard Hopkins, Johnny Nelson, Wladimir Klitschko, Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield all managed to recover from losses to eventually become much better fighters or continued gaining success.
right! knockout of the year!
