Wilder - was he the last Great Black Hope?

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- The untutored thug tried to wrap himself up in the persona of Martin Luther King Jr, Black Power, and Darth Vader in a dedication to black history month and got publicly clowned and humiliated worse than any fighter of note today.

Fury ducked the Wlad rematch to play around with the mental illness of his namesake, and then ducked AJ to fight the clown that ducked Vitali, Wlad, and AJ. Now he holds TWO, count em, TWO Ring belts in spite of being magnificently stripped of every other belt he owned and having ZERO defenses, count em, Z-E-R-0!

Bring in the clowns juggling monkeys in a 3 Ring Circus under the Big Top for the rematch.

Or alternately go to the Brit forum to see all the former David Price lovable loser enthusiasts still moaning over young Fury and O'Conner in the first McDermott fight donkey years ago for free comedy.

Let's hope when boxing limps back with the rest of the economy we can see some good fights at more reasonable prices sans the mega egos and inflated purses.

[Finkel]

Most of todays top heavyweights are millienals and that is pretty funny with that Finkel plays on my generation for whinning.

Gonna be a great era if they make some of this fights happen.

Lets now see how Wilder handles this loss and we know how great he is at the end of the day. That is the only thing I care about right now.

Ah that was very much said tongue in cheek.
I was born '82 myself.
Ortiz is definitely a boomer tho

[pound per pound]

On USA boxing, there's a problem. I went to a gym two years ago to say hello to a personal trainer who worked with me as the insurance I had covered everything. The way things are now, he doubles as boxing trainer as people like the idea of having gloves and hitting a bag for cardio.

When I asked what's up with USA amateur boxing, he said I'll tell you later. Actually he didn't. I figured speaking up during a workout session would be bad for business. So I hung around until after the workout session was over and asked again. The personal trainer I used years ago then motioned to another man, who was much older but was a former boxer.

So I asked him, what's up with USA amateur boxing in the upper weights? The look on his face. It was as if I was saying my condolences for your loss. He took a deep breath. Seconds passed. Slowly he began to speak. Individually he says, our kids have as much talent and sometimes more. This generation is full of boys still sucking their mommy's ****** use the slang word for female breasts. Can't fix that. No one can. Meanwhile, these new kids come here with toughness and a work ethic. By new kids, he meant international kids that have relocated or moved to the USA.

My collusion, it's not football or basketball robing boxing, its this generation of millennials.

[ewenhay]

On USA boxing, there's a problem. I went to a gym two years ago to say hello to a personal trainer who worked with me as the insurance I had covered everything. The way things are now, he doubles as boxing trainer as people like the idea of having gloves and hitting a bag for cardio.

When I asked what's up with USA amateur boxing, he said I'll tell you later. Actually he didn't. I figured speaking up during a workout session would be bad for business. So I hung around until after the workout session was over and asked again. The personal trainer I used years ago then motioned to another man, who was much older but was a former boxer.

So I asked him, what's up with USA amateur boxing in the upper weights? The look on his face. It was as if I was saying my condolences for your loss. He took a deep breath. Seconds passed. Slowly he began to speak. Individually he says, our kids have as much talent and sometimes more. This generation is full of boys still sucking their mommy's ****** use the slang word for female breasts. Can't fix that. No one can. Meanwhile, these new kids come here with toughness and a work ethic. By new kids, he meant international kids that have relocated or moved to the USA.

My collusion, it's not football or basketball robing boxing, its this generation of millennials.

I blame the mothers.


Should have stopped the breastfeeding a bit earlier imo

[Paci]

Most of todays top heavyweights are millienals and that is pretty funny with that Finkel plays on my generation for whinning.

Gonna be a great era if they make some of this fights happen.

Lets now see how Wilder handles this loss and we know how great he is at the end of the day. That is the only thing I care about right now.

Ah that was very much said tongue in cheek.
I was born '82 myself.
Ortiz is definitely a boomer tho

[Steel City]

Hahaha these people that make these stupid excuses talk as if there's no American heavyweights lol. I think they either don't know that American has hundreds of current heavyweights - far more than any other country, or they deliberately ignore that fact

The way they make excuses and say America isn't interested in boxing.. Some of them probably think USA only has 10 current heavyweights, and the UK/Russia/Ukraine have hundreds each haha. When it's the other way around. USA has an extremely large number of heavyweights, they just all aren't good enough.

All you need to get a boxing license in the US is a pulse. Looking at the worst of..... is a curious way to judge. P4P the US isn't doing badly, as I've pointed out. I think it makes more sense to look at the best, not look at the worst.

Also at the risk of repeating myself, UK is dominating the HW scene. No one else.

It's the same everywhere regarding getting a license. But no other country has the huge amount of heavyweights USA has. Plus other countries heavys have problems getting deals with promoters/getting dates to stay active/less money/less TV channels showing boxing. USA fighters usually don't have that problem, USA gets everything on a plate, it's all there for you to suceed if you are good enough.

Yes UK is on top right now definitely. Fury is the man, and should be a for a while. But if you look at who the best HW prospects are coming up, it looks highly likely his biggest threats are gonna come from Eastern Europe/ex soviet union countries.

[Steel City]

Tbh , Anderson seems like the only good American prospect atm. Rock is actually pretty talented, more so than often given credit for, but a total slob. I remember him looking great in the first round of an amateur fight, yet already being totally gassed and becoming totally sloppy by like 30 seconds into round 2. Doesn't seem to be one of those guys who can take the fat, unlike the Kownacki and Arreola types who can still fight hard anyway.

The top young American HW in the ams over the last few years has Richard Torrez, who beat Anderson a few times and won a few international tournaments, but he's also that guy who got absolutely wrecked by Jalolov.

It's all Jared Anderson right now. He's a solid prospect with skills, size and power. The rest of the American scene is very limited.

Is Jared Anderson the new Seth Mitchell then. Remember when Seth Mitchell was gonna be too 'athletic' for the Klitschkos lol

[oogiebe]

It's all Jared Anderson right now. He's a solid prospect with skills, size and power. The rest of the American scene is very limited.

Is Jared Anderson the new Seth Mitchell then. Remember when Seth Mitchell was gonna be too 'athletic' for the Klitschkos lol

Nah. Mitchell was an ex footballer. No hard core fan had high expectations of him. Anderson has been boxing since he was a lad.

[Tony1244]

It's all Jared Anderson right now. He's a solid prospect with skills, size and power. The rest of the American scene is very limited.

Is Jared Anderson the new Seth Mitchell then. Remember when Seth Mitchell was gonna be too 'athletic' for the Klitschkos lol

No one remembers that. You know why? Because you just made it up.

[Tony1244]

All you need to get a boxing license in the US is a pulse. Looking at the worst of..... is a curious way to judge. P4P the US isn't doing badly, as I've pointed out. I think it makes more sense to look at the best, not look at the worst.

Also at the risk of repeating myself, UK is dominating the HW scene. No one else.

It's the same everywhere regarding getting a license. But no other country has the huge amount of heavyweights USA has. Plus other countries heavys have problems getting deals with promoters/getting dates to stay active/less money/less TV channels showing boxing. USA fighters usually don't have that problem, USA gets everything on a plate, it's all there for you to suceed if you are good enough.

Yes UK is on top right now definitely. Fury is the man, and should be a for a while. But if you look at who the best HW prospects are coming up, it looks highly likely his biggest threats are gonna come from Eastern Europe/ex soviet union countries.

USA gets everything on a plate? That's a mighty small plate considering I can't find anyone in real life who has ever heard of Wilder or Fury. Our friends across the pond can't grasp exactly how dead boxing is over here.

Your last sentence is merely guessing. You are free to do that, but that's all it is, a guess, or a "feeling."

[thomasjkelley]

Lol I know right

Maybe the poster meant Fury-AJ and had a brain fart. Even if, few give a sh!t about that anymore.

There you go again Tony with the virtue-signaling: virtue signaling that you are an anti-racist. We all know that you renounce your Whiteness but I don't think those are the feelz atm. Grown men are no longer afraid to admit they identify with their own ethnicity/heritage/race/nation etc. We are conditioned by western media to hate ourselves but I am here to tell you that It's Okay To Be White: you no longer have to preface your opinion with a declaration of your anti-racist bonafides. Anyhow who has read any of your comments knows you are legit.

[thomasjkelley]

Listen, there is no doubt that the elite Black American Heavyweights have vanished over the last 10-15 years. And there is also little doubt that this is mostly due to the fall of the Soviet Union & the entry of Soviet Bloc fighters into the professional ranks. However, another huge factor is the amateur boxing system in America. USA Amateur boxing is beyond a joke, they are not assisting the growth of American fighters & it is has left an all around dearth of great American fighters, not just Black, not just heavyweights. Until the US amateur system is up to par with European amateur systems, Americans are going to begin their careers at a competitive disadvantage

[Tony1244]

Maybe the poster meant Fury-AJ and had a brain fart. Even if, few give a sh!t about that anymore.

There you go again Tony with the virtue-signaling: virtue signaling that you are an anti-racist. We all know that you renounce your Whiteness but I don't think those are the feelz atm. Grown men are no longer afraid to admit they identify with their own ethnicity/heritage/race/nation etc. We are conditioned by western media to hate ourselves but I am here to tell you that It's Okay To Be White: you no longer have to preface your opinion with a declaration of your anti-racist bonafides. Anyhow who has read any of your comments knows you are legit.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Mar 2020, 17:03
This thread reminds me of the time some idiot posted that Wilder vs AJ would be the biggest black vs white race fight since Holmes vs Cooney

We have our answer! You're the idiot that confused them.

[Steel City]

Is Jared Anderson the new Seth Mitchell then. Remember when Seth Mitchell was gonna be too 'athletic' for the Klitschkos lol

No one remembers that. You know why? Because you just made it up.

I 100% assure you that's the truth. There was a lot of hype around Mitchell when he was undefeated and knocking people out.. Around the time of his win against Timur Ibragimov It's easy to dismiss that and forget about it afterwards. Just search on google for comments on boxing forums about Seth around that time when when he was coming up.

He was the number 1 American HW prospect at the time, and people were talling about his 'athleticism' lol. I recall even on UK TV Spencer Fearon hyping him up.

[oogiebe]

No one remembers that. You know why? Because you just made it up.

I 100% assure you that's the truth. There was a lot of hype around Mitchell when he was undefeated and knocking people out.. Around the time of his win against Timur Ibragimov It's easy to dismiss that and forget about it afterwards. Just search on google for comments on boxing forums about Seth around that time when when he was coming up.

He was the number 1 American HW prospect at the time, and people were talling about his 'athleticism' lol. I recall even on UK TV Spencer Fearon hyping him up.

I'm sure some were tauting him, but the majority of hard core fans knew better. Another ex jock who was fine until he got punched back. I don't remember anyone saying he was the number one american prospect of any note, especially considering that Wilder was coming up during Seth's time. Forum fans aside.

[thomasjkelley]

There you go again Tony with the virtue-signaling: virtue signaling that you are an anti-racist. We all know that you renounce your Whiteness but I don't think those are the feelz atm. Grown men are no longer afraid to admit they identify with their own ethnicity/heritage/race/nation etc. We are conditioned by western media to hate ourselves but I am here to tell you that It's Okay To Be White: you no longer have to preface your opinion with a declaration of your anti-racist bonafides. Anyhow who has read any of your comments knows you are legit.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Mar 2020, 17:03
This thread reminds me of the time some idiot posted that Wilder vs AJ would be the biggest black vs white race fight since Holmes vs Cooney

We have our answer! You're the idiot that confused them.

Lol. What? The absurdity of that statement beggars disbelief Tony. I understand you are a deracinated cosmopolitan with views I find to be somewhat.....indoctrinating: but you do conduct yourself in an ethical manner. I have never known you to cast false aspersions, I've not known you to be a fibber. So why would you fabricate a bogus accusation like this?
Do you think I am the type of person who would confuse Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua for a White man? Even if the OP meant to say Wilder vs Fury (would be biggest black vs white fight since Holmes/Cooney), it is not something that would ever come from my mouth, my mind doesn't work that way. So please Tony, do the right thing & retract that spurious accusation, because it never happened. And let me save you some time by telling you ...You shouldn't bother rummaging through old conversations to find out where you think I said it........ IT NEVER HAPPENED. Though I suspect you know this.

[Tony1244]

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Mar 2020, 17:03
This thread reminds me of the time some idiot posted that Wilder vs AJ would be the biggest black vs white race fight since Holmes vs Cooney

We have our answer! You're the idiot that confused them.

Lol. What? The absurdity of that statement beggars disbelief Tony. I understand you are a deracinated cosmopolitan with views I find to be somewhat.....indoctrinating: but you do conduct yourself in an ethical manner. I have never known you to cast false aspersions, I've not known you to be a fibber. So why would you fabricate a bogus accusation like this?
Do you think I am the type of person who would confuse Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua for a White man? Even if the OP meant to say Wilder vs Fury (would be biggest black vs white fight since Holmes/Cooney), it is not something that would ever come from my mouth, my mind doesn't work that way. So please Tony, do the right thing & retract that spurious accusation, because it never happened. And let me save you some time by telling you ...You shouldn't bother rummaging through old conversations to find out where you think I said it........ IT NEVER HAPPENED. Though I suspect you know this.

You say I conduct myself in an ethical manner. You do not.

Find where I have renounced my whiteness. Besides being tied with the most moronic thing I've ever read, show me where I did that. And let me save you some time by telling you ...You shouldn't bother rummaging through old conversations to find out where you think I said it........ IT NEVER HAPPENED. Though I suspect you know this.

[oogiebe]

WTF?

[Tony1244]

WTF?

Tell me about it. I don't even own a James Brown album.

[oogiebe]

WTF?

Tell me about it. I don't even own a James Brown album.

LOL!!! Another EO pseudonym?

[thomasjkelley]

Lol. What? The absurdity of that statement beggars disbelief Tony. I understand you are a deracinated cosmopolitan with views I find to be somewhat.....indoctrinating: but you do conduct yourself in an ethical manner. I have never known you to cast false aspersions, I've not known you to be a fibber. So why would you fabricate a bogus accusation like this?
Do you think I am the type of person who would confuse Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua for a White man? Even if the OP meant to say Wilder vs Fury (would be biggest black vs white fight since Holmes/Cooney), it is not something that would ever come from my mouth, my mind doesn't work that way. So please Tony, do the right thing & retract that spurious accusation, because it never happened. And let me save you some time by telling you ...You shouldn't bother rummaging through old conversations to find out where you think I said it........ IT NEVER HAPPENED. Though I suspect you know this.

You say I conduct myself in an ethical manner. You do not.

Find where I have renounced my whiteness. Besides being tied with the most moronic thing I've ever read, show me where I did that. And let me save you some time by telling you ...You shouldn't bother rummaging through old conversations to find out where you think I said it........ IT NEVER HAPPENED. Though I suspect you know this.

> What kind of craven whataboutism is that Tony? Man up & address the situation at hand. Don't dodge by pivoting to an entirely unrelated issue. That is what can be expected of women, children & sub 85 IQ dingbats, of which you are none. You have accused me of a specific action: you have attributed a comment to me that is not only untrue but anathema to my Christian upbringing.
> I will address the accusations of your racial recreance after you retract this slander. I tell you so in good faith, you have my word on this.

P.S. After I address your grievance, I would like to address this imputation that I conduct myself in an unethical manner. I believe this is an unfair charge & that you say this simply because we hold disparate views on core values. I recognize that this is your opinion & you have every right to express it but I would like the opportunity to defend my reputation.

[oogiebe]

You say I conduct myself in an ethical manner. You do not.

Find where I have renounced my whiteness. Besides being tied with the most moronic thing I've ever read, show me where I did that. And let me save you some time by telling you ...You shouldn't bother rummaging through old conversations to find out where you think I said it........ IT NEVER HAPPENED. Though I suspect you know this.

> What kind of craven whataboutism is that Tony? Man up & address the situation at hand. Don't dodge by pivoting to an entirely unrelated issue. That is what can be expected of women, children & sub 85 IQ dingbats, of which you are none. You have accused me of a specific action: you have attributed a comment to me that is not only untrue but anathema to my Christian upbringing.
> I will address the accusations of your racial recreance after you retract this slander. I tell you so in good faith, you have my word on this.

P.S. After I address your grievance, I would like to address this imputation that I conduct myself in an unethical manner. I believe this is an unfair charge & that you say this simply because we hold disparate views on core values. I recognize that this is your opinion & you have every right to express it but I would like the opportunity to defend my reputation.

Why don't you take this private. You're clogging up the thread. Not that it's a good thread. It isn't. But this is getting rather annoying. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation on this matter.

[margaret thatcher]

nAH, it's fun to watch, let them duke it out here, not like the thread was some bastion of amazing convo before

[Tony1244]

> What kind of craven whataboutism is that Tony? Man up & address the situation at hand. Don't dodge by pivoting to an entirely unrelated issue. That is what can be expected of women, children & sub 85 IQ dingbats, of which you are none. You have accused me of a specific action: you have attributed a comment to me that is not only untrue but anathema to my Christian upbringing.
> I will address the accusations of your racial recreance after you retract this slander. I tell you so in good faith, you have my word on this.

P.S. After I address your grievance, I would like to address this imputation that I conduct myself in an unethical manner. I believe this is an unfair charge & that you say this simply because we hold disparate views on core values. I recognize that this is your opinion & you have every right to express it but I would like the opportunity to defend my reputation.

Why don't you take this private. You're clogging up the thread. Not that it's a good thread. It isn't. But this is getting rather annoying. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation on this matter.

Ah NO! You go "private" with this guy.

[Tony1244]

nAH, it's fun to watch, let them duke it out here, not like the thread was some bastion of amazing convo before

Hey, you were the one that started this anyway.