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chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 01:59

gilgamesh wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 01:43

Speaking of the Casamayor-Corrales fights. I always found it mystifying that the Showtime commentary crew acted as if Corrales was putting on some kinda boxing clinic in that fight (their 2nd one). I always wondered what the hell fight they were watching.

IMO Casamayor is 3-0 against him.

I agree. I felt Casamayor shaded it probably on account of his knockdown. I also felt Casamayor beat Freitas and drawn with Castillo.

I thought Castillo beat him, but it was damn close. If it had gone to a 13th round I think Castillo would've stopped him. He was starting to kick his ass pretty bad in that 12th round.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 01:19

Duran1970 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 00:44
I agree..hence what I said..
I think pipinos case is solid..it's a matter of opinion and I think I have two legs to o stand on in this discussion.lol...
Nobodys right and nobodys wrong..I will say that the older historians I mingle with all agree on the mark Cuevas left..

More like no legs. Just a number of defenses. Might as well be talking about Omar narvaez. On one leg you'd at least be talking up somebody he beat.

Vote Craig "Gator" Bodzianowski for the hall of fame!

nobleart1978 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 10:43
Pedroza was ancient when Barry beat him.

Pedroza was 29, hardly ancient

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 02:06

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 01:59
I agree. I felt Casamayor shaded it probably on account of his knockdown. I also felt Casamayor beat Freitas and drawn with Castillo.

X3

Ironically, if any of the 3 ever make the hof it will be corrales. I'd say fairly soon but changing it to 3 years will make it tougher.

Unfortunately that is sad but true. But as you say, the three years rule will likely mean none of them ever make it.

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 11:11

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 02:06

X3

Ironically, if any of the 3 ever make the hof it will be corrales. I'd say fairly soon but changing it to 3 years will make it tougher.

Unfortunately that is sad but true. But as you say, the three years rule will likely mean none of them ever make it.

Weeks cost Castillo his spot.

The move from a 5 year waiting period (which what other sports do) to 3 is dumb. If anything, it should have been expanded. Boxing being what it is, we will probably have guys retire for three years, get elected, and then make a comeback!

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 12:29 The move from a 5 year waiting period (which what other sports do) to 3 is dumb. If anything, it should have been expanded. Boxing being what it is, we will probably have guys retire for three years, get elected, and then make a comeback!

Hell there's been guys make a comeback after induction already.

Tommy Hearns for instance had a fight in like 2006 or something after being enshrined didn't he?

He actually had to wait until 2012. He retired in 2000. Had he never fought again, he probably would have got in 2005 or 2006. However, he had a fight in 2005 and another in 2006.

I guess my real problem is that you are are deserving, you should last the test of time. I think we rate athletes better after they are gone for a while.

Anyway, it tough picking out who is the 2nd worst Hall of Famer, isn't it?
Some of the guys mentioned are legitimate, or at least borderline. Some not so much.

Controversial wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 07:14

nobleart1978 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 10:43
Pedroza was ancient when Barry beat him.

Pedroza was 29, hardly ancient

I would of sworn he was around 35 .... crazy

paddy chavez wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 14:26

Controversial wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 07:14

Pedroza was 29, hardly ancient

I would of sworn he was around 35 .... crazy

In rounds, he kind of was. Still an excellent win. Not like anyone could have beat him. Hatton/tszyu type scenario. Just a bit past it to try and handle that relentless pressure.

Isn't the big question,was Pedroza still the most "complete" at this time?

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 16:18 Isn't the big question,was Pedroza still the most "complete" at this time?

Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 19:08 Youngest welter champ I believe.
12-1 in title fights
11 straight defenses 10 by KO
A devastating puncher..underated in my opinion shame he's mostly remembered getting destroyed by Hearns and Duran..no shame in that.
I guess 11 title defenses almost all by KO grow on trees

Playing devils advocate would you put Wilder in as well? High KO%, 10 title defences.

Controversial wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 17:56

Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 19:08 Youngest welter champ I believe.
12-1 in title fights
11 straight defenses 10 by KO
A devastating puncher..underated in my opinion shame he's mostly remembered getting destroyed by Hearns and Duran..no shame in that.
I guess 11 title defenses almost all by KO grow on trees

Playing devils advocate would you put Wilder in as well? High KO%, 10 title defences.

Controversial wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 07:14

nobleart1978 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 10:43
Pedroza was ancient when Barry beat him.

Pedroza was 29, hardly ancient

some records indicate that PEDROZA was 32 when he fought Barry McGuigan

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 16:18 Isn't the big question,was Pedroza still the most "complete" at this time?

MORE complete than BOTH SUGAR RAYS put together.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:34

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 16:18 Isn't the big question,was Pedroza still the most "complete" at this time?

MORE complete than BOTH SUGAR RAYS put together.

Don't you have a list to do?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:34

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 16:18 Isn't the big question,was Pedroza still the most "complete" at this time?

MORE complete than BOTH SUGAR RAYS put together.

Said no one ever.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:38

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:34

MORE complete than BOTH SUGAR RAYS put together.

Don't you have a list to do?

I am enjoying seeing the boxers. Why don't you put an input about the great Joltin' Joe Brown for example?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:53

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:38

Don't you have a list to do?

I am enjoying seeing the boxers. Why don't you put an input about the great Joltin' Joe Brown for example?

No thank you.

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:43

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:34

MORE complete than BOTH SUGAR RAYS put together.

Said no one ever.

Have you ever seen the great Sugar Ray Robinson fight inside?

Do you think that Sugar Ray Leonard was a better inside fighter than Eusebio Pedroza?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:54

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:53

I am enjoying seeing the boxers. Why don't you put an input about the great Joltin' Joe Brown for example?

No thank you.

And why not? His accomplishments were off the charts. HE had a magnificent career.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:55

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:43
Said no one ever.

Have you ever seen the great Sugar Ray Robinson fight inside?

Do you think that Sugar Ray Leonard was a better inside fighter than Eusebio Pedroza?

Bring it up on your all time thread. Let's not hijack this one.

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:58

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:55

Have you ever seen the great Sugar Ray Robinson fight inside?

Do you think that Sugar Ray Leonard was a better inside fighter than Eusebio Pedroza?

Bring it up on your all time thread. Let's not hijack this one.

I am just responding to the ones that made a mockery of one of boxing's all time greats pound per pound. Warn them, not me.