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Tony1244 wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:56

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:52
He was almost half way down the bad side of the mountain.

For the "What Have You Done No One Else Here Has Done" thread I was @ the Young-Simms in West Palm.

You are the forum Young library.

oogiebe wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 20:07

Tony1244 wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:56

For the "What Have You Done No One Else Here Has Done" thread I was @ the Young-Simms in West Palm.

You are the forum Young library.

I just started a thread on it in off topic.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:11 There's a difference between giving less of an effort, and giving f*cking none.

Wlad just woke up that day and decided "Ya know what I don't feel like being Heavyweight Champion anymore" is all I can guess, because that's how he performed in that fight.

To me Fury has nothing to be proud of either because he was fighting a guy doing f*ck all for 12 rounds, not even fighting back, and he couldn't manage to stop him or take him out.

Fury barely gave an effort either. It's just that barely giving an effort is better than giving no effort whatsoever, so he won.

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 06:20

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2020, 19:11 There's a difference between giving less of an effort, and giving f*cking none.

Wlad just woke up that day and decided "Ya know what I don't feel like being Heavyweight Champion anymore" is all I can guess, because that's how he performed in that fight.

To me Fury has nothing to be proud of either because he was fighting a guy doing f*ck all for 12 rounds, not even fighting back, and he couldn't manage to stop him or take him out.

Fury barely gave an effort either. It's just that barely giving an effort is better than giving no effort whatsoever, so he won.

Wlad has been stopped 4 times, right? He was scared of being stopped again. It was like Bonecrusher's performance against Tyson. No effort whatsoever other than effort to go the distance.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 11:22

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 06:20

Wlad has been stopped 4 times, right? He was scared of being stopped again. It was like Bonecrusher's performance against Tyson. No effort whatsoever other than effort to go the distance.

It’s a fight. They are fighters, don’t pretend they think like you or Gil.

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 13:09

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 11:22

Wlad has been stopped 4 times, right? He was scared of being stopped again. It was like Bonecrusher's performance against Tyson. No effort whatsoever other than effort to go the distance.

It’s a fight. They are fighters, don’t pretend they think like you or Gil.

Wlad certainly looked like he was thinking. Trouble is, that's all he looked like he was doing

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 13:11

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 13:09

It’s a fight. They are fighters, don’t pretend they think like you or Gil.

Wlad certainly looked like he was thinking. Trouble is, that's all he looked like he was doing

Of course you’d have made it look easy big man

I don’t disagree it was a shite fight from the fans point of views but your takes total rubbish.

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 13:17

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 13:11

Wlad certainly looked like he was thinking. Trouble is, that's all he looked like he was doing

Of course you’d ya w made it look easy big man

I'd have got knocked out in the 1st round, but I'd have got knocked out in the 1st round while trying to win a fight. Not content to just stand there.

Your acting as if something impressive happened in that fight is what's rubbish.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 13:20

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 13:17

Of course you’d ya w made it look easy big man

I'd have got knocked out in the 1st round, but I'd have got knocked out in the 1st round while trying to win a fight. Not content to just stand there.

Of course

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 13:09

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 11:22

Wlad has been stopped 4 times, right? He was scared of being stopped again. It was like Bonecrusher's performance against Tyson. No effort whatsoever other than effort to go the distance.

It’s a fight. They are fighters, don’t pretend they think like you or Gil.

I don't think you have to be a fighter to be able to see that Wlad didn't want to take any chances in that fight.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 14:09

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 13:09

It’s a fight. They are fighters, don’t pretend they think like you or Gil.

I don't think you have to be a fighter to be able to see that Wlad didn't want to take any chances in that fight.

Or make a serious effort to win.

Ya, Fury with his size and funky boxing made Wlad even more tentative than usual, Fury knew it too and that's why he was able to play around at times. Though you should really watch some of these other Fury fights if you think the opponents named were giving way more effort, a lot of the time they seemed to get hyponitized into that staring contest about just as much

Fury gets these guys a bit shook doesn't he, the confidence and outputs go weak bruh, they all look exhausted too, some hardly able to raise their arms, the weight of the gypsy king is hard to take

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 15:45 Ya, Fury with his size and funky boxing made Wlad even more tentative than usual, Fury knew it too and that's why he was able to play around at times. Though you should really watch some of these other Fury fights if you think the opponents named were giving way more effort, a lot of the time they seemed to get hyponitized into that staring contest about just as much

Fury gets these guys a bit shook doesn't he, the confidence and outputs go weak bruh, they all look exhausted too, some hardly able to raise their arms, the weight of the gypsy king is hard to take

Honestly non boxers gibber on about throwing punches as if that’s all it takes. Fury is the ultimate spoiler.

Ya, it's something seen over and over in boxing, guy faces an awkward/more skilled boxer and his output and confidence goes to poo. It's not simply someone waking up and making a totally bizarre and irrational decision to lose on purpose, that's just stupid, especially when you see it time and time again vs a particular fighter.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 18:39 Ya, it's something seen over and over in boxing, guy faces an awkward/more skilled boxer and his output and confidence goes to poo. It's not simply someone waking up and making a totally bizarre and irrational decision to lose on purpose, that's just stupid, especially when you see it time and time again vs a particular fighter.

It was gypsy voodoo. Regardless, Wlad/Fury was a horrible fight to watch.

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 16:50

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 15:45 Ya, Fury with his size and funky boxing made Wlad even more tentative than usual, Fury knew it too and that's why he was able to play around at times. Though you should really watch some of these other Fury fights if you think the opponents named were giving way more effort, a lot of the time they seemed to get hyponitized into that staring contest about just as much

Fury gets these guys a bit shook doesn't he, the confidence and outputs go weak bruh, they all look exhausted too, some hardly able to raise their arms, the weight of the gypsy king is hard to take

Honestly non boxers gibber on about throwing punches as if that’s all it takes. Fury is the ultimate spoiler.

There's definitely more to winning a boxing match than simply throwing punches, but ain't nobody ever won a fight without throwing any.

Except Willie Pep.....oh that was just a round

zuru wrote: ↑02 May 2020, 20:53 Except Willie Pep.....oh that was just a round

Speaking of Pep, in the Saddler fights, Sandy would really beat the crap out of Willie in the clinches. Pep would usually outbox Saddler until they clinched. Then Sandy would hold Willie with one hand and blast away with the other.

Saddler was very strong for his size and hit extremely hard for a featherweight, especially with his left. In clinches, it was like a middleweight fighting a featherweight. As for Pep, Saddler was about 3 inches taller and had a 7 inch reach advantage. That is not all though. Willie Pep had some ring wear and tear on him. He had 136 fights prior to his first fight with Sandy (His record was 134-1-1). Also, there was the airplane crash that left Pep with 2 broken vertebrae, a compound fracture of his left leg, severe chest injuries, and was in body and leg casts for about 5 months (the accident was in January of 1947).

Pep did struggle with opponents that he should not have later in a majority decision against Archie Wilmer later in 1947 and being floored by a boxer, Pedro Biesca, with a losing record in January of 1948. Some thought that Pep was almost through. Pep said that he lost his chin due to the accident, but I think he lost some punching power as well. Right before his accident, Pep had stopped 8 out his last 9 opponents. Never came close to that again as far as KO's.

Sandy looked so much bigger than Willie, but so did most of his opponents. I actually think that Pep was really a natural bantamweight, but he could beat any featherweight anyway, at least until Saddler came along.

Vitali was ugly to watch, weird awkward movements, arm punches, always fought with his mouth wide open despite not really showing a stamina problem, and marked up easily too, so he was ugly in a lot of ways

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 22:55 Vitali was ugly to watch, weird awkward movements, arm punches, always fought with his mouth wide open despite not really showing a stamina problem, and marked up easily too, so he was ugly in a lot of ways

Yeah, but the guy could use his height/range well, had great jabs, one twos and a granite chin. That underlines an importance of an ability to use anthropometric features. It can cover a lot of disadvantages.

Scypion wrote: ↑04 May 2020, 01:04 Speaking of Pep, in the Saddler fights, Sandy would really beat the crap out of Willie in the clinches. Pep would usually outbox Saddler until they clinched. Then Sandy would hold Willie with one hand and blast away with the other.

I read that their fights were foul fests and for all his skills Saddler was notoriously dirty.

zuru wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 13:03

Scypion wrote: ↑04 May 2020, 01:04 Speaking of Pep, in the Saddler fights, Sandy would really beat the crap out of Willie in the clinches. Pep would usually outbox Saddler until they clinched. Then Sandy would hold Willie with one hand and blast away with the other.

I read that their fights were foul fests and for all his skills Saddler was notoriously dirty.

Their 4th fight was more like a wrestling match. They wrestled each other to the ground a bunch of times pulling the referee down with them one time.

zuru wrote: ↑06 May 2020, 13:03

Scypion wrote: ↑04 May 2020, 01:04 Speaking of Pep, in the Saddler fights, Sandy would really beat the crap out of Willie in the clinches. Pep would usually outbox Saddler until they clinched. Then Sandy would hold Willie with one hand and blast away with the other.

I read that their fights were foul fests and for all his skills Saddler was notoriously dirty.

Yeah, very dirty fighter. Probably the best fighter as far as legacy that's also notorious for being extremely dirty.

In Ring Magazine one time they have a dream matchup where they put Sandy Saddler against Salvador Sanchez, and they picked Saddler to win, and even acknowledged he'd probably be thumbing him in the eyes and all that kinda stuff.