British Overachievers

[dapug]

Crawford Ashley was a road warrior and if anything underachieved. He was in the who needs him club.

Crawford Ashley. Another good honest pro with a patchy record, which didn't hinder him from snaffling two world title
challenges. Both big big fights against 'greats' of the game. Failed in multiple EBU attempts also, though i had him winning the first one with Rocchigiani. Well promoted fighter.

[jwfg]

Was Steve Robinson the ultimate overachiever or just a late starter?

[dapug]

Stuey Hall

[jonp]

Any recent overachievers?

Eggington turned over at 18 with minimum amatuer credentials. Had no idea what to do other than earn a few quid.

Lost his third fight as a late sub in prize fighter.
Won area title away at 19
Beat Denton Vassal in manchester at 20
Won commonwealth at 20
Beat unbeaten Shane singleton for wbc inter silver
at 21 beat unbeaten england lad Glen foot.
Lost british at 21.
at 22 won wbc inter v frankie gavin
didnt get boxing writers young fighter of year which was a joke.
beat ex world champ paulie malignaggi.
beat defending champ for euro at 23 by ko
won boxing writers fighter of the year.
lost euro on a split
went up to light middle beat unbeaten kid for IBO inter
lost way a bit had a few bad losses, got told to retire at 25.
went to italy beat 32.2 italian in a couple of rounds won ibf international.
lost in fight of year to cheeseman, got told to retire.
Beat former world champ carlos molina for wbc silver at middle.
defended against unbeaten frenchman jkitou and won FOTY again.
boxed unbeaten pole for IBO world won pts.
lost title is OZ told to retire again lol.
Got took down to bouremouth to be Pigfords coming out party
Knocked fornicate out of Pigford. Now hes hot stuff again

Hes 28 now and a ten year pro so I think Sam has overchieved and keeps doing it.

[jwfg]

Any recent overachievers?

Eggington turned over at 18 with minimum amatuer credentials. Had no idea what to do other than earn a few quid.

Lost his third fight as a late sub in prize fighter.
Won area title away at 19
Beat Denton Vassal in manchester at 20
Won commonwealth at 20
Beat unbeaten Shane singleton for wbc inter silver
at 21 beat unbeaten england lad Glen foot.
Lost british at 21.
at 22 won wbc inter v frankie gavin
didnt get boxing writers young fighter of year which was a joke.
beat ex world champ paulie malignaggi.
beat defending champ for euro at 23 by ko
won boxing writers fighter of the year.
lost euro on a split
went up to light middle beat unbeaten kid for IBO inter
lost way a bit had a few bad losses, got told to retire at 25.
went to italy beat 32.2 italian in a couple of rounds won ibf international.
lost in fight of year to cheeseman, got told to retire.
Beat former world champ carlos molina for wbc silver at middle.
defended against unbeaten frenchman jkitou and won FOTY again.
boxed unbeaten pole for IBO world won pts.
lost title is OZ told to retire again lol.
Got took down to bouremouth to be Pigfords coming out party
Knocked fornicate out of Pigford. Now hes hot stuff again

Hes 28 now and a ten year pro so I think Sam has overchieved and keeps doing it.

Good inside info, it's almost like you train him.

[Flump]

Carl Froch - I never thought he'd get near a world title, never mind the hall of fame.

Sam Eggington, Ricky Burns, Robin Reid

[ThereByTheGrace]

Id say Joshua. Got a few world titles pretty easily, beat an aging Klitschko and has been exposed for the limited boxer he is

[jwfg]

Id say Joshua. Got a few world titles pretty easily, beat an aging Klitschko and has been exposed for the limited boxer he is

He won the friggin' Olympics, so expectations were Sky high. He definitely didn't overachieve against media expectations.

[mickey1975]

Crawford Ashley was a road warrior and if anything underachieved. He was in the who needs him club.

Crawford Ashley. Another good honest pro with a patchy record, which didn't hinder him from snaffling two world title
challenges. Both big big fights against 'greats' of the game. Failed in multiple EBU attempts also, though i had him winning the first one with Rocchigiani. Well promoted fighter.

Well promoted?

[Coco]

Crawford Ashley was a road warrior and if anything underachieved. He was in the who needs him club.

Crawford Ashley. Another good honest pro with a patchy record, which didn't hinder him from snaffling two world title
challenges. Both big big fights against 'greats' of the game. Failed in multiple EBU attempts also, though i had him winning the first one with Rocchigiani. Well promoted fighter.

Well promoted?

Being well promoted is getting title fights at home v TBA

[mickey1975]

Crawford Ashley was a road warrior and if anything underachieved. He was in the who needs him club.

Well promoted?

Being well promoted is getting title fights at home v TBA

He boxed once in Leeds in his whole career.

[si7dog7]

Well promoted?

Being well promoted is getting title fights at home v TBA

He boxed once in Leeds in his whole career.

Which means absolutely nothing Mickey.
Give the guy his dues. FFS!!

[mickey1975]

Being well promoted is getting title fights at home v TBA

He boxed once in Leeds in his whole career.

Which means absolutely nothing Mickey.
Give the guy his dues. FFS!!

Who? I’m a huge admirer of Crawford but to say he was well promoted was bizarre. Barry Hearn told him to shave all his dreads off and he could make him a star….

[DrDuke]

Joshua is indeed overachieved. Gifted at the hometown Olympics, tracked fast in the pros. Got his shots because of Fury vacating them and Eddeh again grabbed an opportunity.

[jwfg]

Joshua is indeed overachieved. Gifted at the hometown Olympics, tracked fast in the pros. Got his shots because of Fury vacating them and Eddeh again grabbed an opportunity.

Overachieved against what? Your expectations? Media expectations? Ability?

[JC]

Joshua is indeed overachieved. Gifted at the hometown Olympics, tracked fast in the pros. Got his shots because of Fury vacating them and Eddeh again grabbed an opportunity.

Overachieved against what? Your expectations? Media expectations? Ability?

Yeah, it depends how you define it.

I agree he should have lost to Savon in the Olympics. But he also came very close to winning gold in the Worlds on limited amateur experience. There was a lot of potential there, which IMO didn't get properly developed because of the fast tracking you're talking about. So, in that sense, he may have underachieved, but we'll obviously never know.

[jwfg]

Joshua is indeed overachieved. Gifted at the hometown Olympics, tracked fast in the pros. Got his shots because of Fury vacating them and Eddeh again grabbed an opportunity.

Overachieved against what? Your expectations? Media expectations? Ability?

Yeah, it depends how you define it.

I agree he should have lost to Savon in the Olympics. But he also came very close to winning gold in the Worlds on limited amateur experience. There was a lot of potential there, which IMO didn't get properly developed because of the fast tracking you're talking about. So, in that sense, he may have underachieved, but we'll obviously never know.

To be at the Olympics and competing at the highest level is a massive achievement IMO.

On his pro career, I thought he was brought along far to fast and should have had a lot more learning fights. Lennox was matched brilliantly on his way up the ranks, but AJ hadn't gone the distance.

[Spud]

Clinton Woods

Clinton is my favourite boxer, but, winning
The IBF World Light Heavyweight title was way more than expected

[bripez]

Clinton Woods

Clinton is my favourite boxer, but, winning
The IBF World Light Heavyweight title was way more than expected

Yes, I think he won the title at his 4th attempt?

If it takes 4 goes then it is probably an over achievement.

Also Matthew Hatton - he took a lot of stick but he ended up with a proper European title and taking Canelo the distance.

[Coco]

Hatton is a good shout, it's one thing a promoter building your record up with soft touches on undercards, but this fella gave weight away to Canelo and went this distance as well as winning proper titles.
Never made a song and dance about anything either, hard man

[Theoson]

Was Steve Robinson the ultimate overachiever or just a late starter?

I'd suggest he was an overchiever

I remember the early 1990s when the rot really set in to boxing when we had something called "The WBO Belt" which in my opinion was probably somewhere around the European level of title at best and not a proper world title. I'm afraid Steve Robinson summed it its worthy back then. I had to look up to see who he beat for the WBO title and it was a fellow Briton called John Davison who'd won 15 and lost 3 while Steve himself had only won 13 out of 23 fights. Sorry but that's not world level boxing . Add to that British contenders namely Colin McMillan and Paul Hodkinson fighting for a world title against Robbo and it's impossible to compare world title records involving British boxers

On a similar note few people would have heard of Chris Eubank pre-1990 and it would be very difficult in believing he'd dominate domestic Super-Middleweight boxing in the first half of that decade but again it's not like Eubank went to America to fight the likes of Iran Barkley , James Toney or Roy Jones Jnr

[margaret thatcher]

aj made the senior world finals 2 years after boxing as a novice, then olympic gold a year after. that is hugely impressive and his potential to be an elite pro was obvious to anyone following. the hype came even before he turned over precisely because it looked highly likely that he had the stuff to deliver big results.

2 years after turning pro he already wins a world title, to which absolutely no one was surprised. in fact, he was expected by most to win every fifght until the usyk rematch

to call him an overachieve makes little sense to me. he was expected to be a big time winner and has been.

[The Gratest]

A has been? A bit harsh Marg.

[mickey1975]

aj made the senior world finals 2 years after boxing as a novice, then olympic gold a year after. that is hugely impressive and his potential to be an elite pro was obvious to anyone following. the hype came even before he turned over precisely because it looked highly likely that he had the stuff to deliver big results.

2 years after turning pro he already wins a world title, to which absolutely no one was surprised. in fact, he was expected by most to win every fifght until the usyk rematch

to call him an overachieve makes little sense to me. he was expected to be a big time winner and has been.

I didn’t expect him to win the Olympics, which I don’t think he did and certainly didn’t think he would beat Usyk. I’m surprised any boxing people did.

[jwfg]

aj made the senior world finals 2 years after boxing as a novice, then olympic gold a year after. that is hugely impressive and his potential to be an elite pro was obvious to anyone following. the hype came even before he turned over precisely because it looked highly likely that he had the stuff to deliver big results.

2 years after turning pro he already wins a world title, to which absolutely no one was surprised. in fact, he was expected by most to win every fifght until the usyk rematch

to call him an overachieve makes little sense to me. he was expected to be a big time winner and has been.

I didn’t expect him to win the Olympics, which I don’t think he did and certainly didn’t think he would beat Usyk. I’m surprised any boxing people did.

Let's face it, you hate Joshua and aren't in the slightest bit subjective when it comes to his career. You compare him to David Price FFS. Your a boxing fan with some good knowledge, but when it comes to AJ you act like a toddler in playgroup.