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Jennings is a proven competitor with no doubt, but at the current stage of his career, it will be no surprise, if he loses to Gorman,

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Aug 2020, 13:20 Jennings is a proven competitor with no doubt, but at the current stage of his career, it will be no surprise, if he loses to Gorman,

Based on what?! German has never even remotely operated on the level that Jennings has, and I highly doubt that Gorman would last 12 rounds with Joyce either.

Gorman is more akin to a Hughie Fury type. A lot of hype but falls short every time he's put in there with a decent operator.

Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 03:52

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Aug 2020, 13:20 Jennings is a proven competitor with no doubt, but at the current stage of his career, it will be no surprise, if he loses to Gorman,

Based on what?! German has never even remotely operated on the level that Jennings has, and I highly doubt that Gorman would last 12 rounds with Joyce either.

Gorman is more akin to a Hughie Fury type. A lot of hype but falls short every time he's put in there with a decent operator.

Gosh you lads must be trolling! I didn't bite with "Gorman might beat Jennings" but "Gorman is the same level as Hughie" is equally daft. Hughie is a dreary fighter to watch but has been in with 3 top ten fighters and arguably was unlucky not to get the win against Parker. He's much better and fought MUCH better opposition than Gorman.

Cyclops wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 04:36

Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 03:52

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Aug 2020, 13:20 Jennings is a proven competitor with no doubt, but at the current stage of his career, it will be no surprise, if he loses to Gorman,

Based on what?! German has never even remotely operated on the level that Jennings has, and I highly doubt that Gorman would last 12 rounds with Joyce either.

Gorman is more akin to a Hughie Fury type. A lot of hype but falls short every time he's put in there with a decent operator.

Gosh you lads must be trolling! I didn't bite with "Gorman might beat Jennings" but "Gorman is the same level as Hughie" is equally daft. Hughie is a dreary fighter to watch but has been in with 3 top ten fighters and arguably was unlucky not to get the win against Parker. He's much better and fought MUCH better opposition than Gorman.

Gorman isn't as good a Hughie, but has a similar style and I can also see his career going a similar route. Albeit at a slightly lower level.

Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 03:52

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Aug 2020, 13:20 Jennings is a proven competitor with no doubt, but at the current stage of his career, it will be no surprise, if he loses to Gorman,

Based on what?! German has never even remotely operated on the level that Jennings has, and I highly doubt that Gorman would last 12 rounds with Joyce either.

Gorman is more akin to a Hughie Fury type. A lot of hype but falls short every time he's put in there with a decent operator.

Majorly based on Jennings declining more and more.

Cyclops wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 04:36

Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 03:52

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Aug 2020, 13:20 Jennings is a proven competitor with no doubt, but at the current stage of his career, it will be no surprise, if he loses to Gorman,

Based on what?! German has never even remotely operated on the level that Jennings has, and I highly doubt that Gorman would last 12 rounds with Joyce either.

Gorman is more akin to a Hughie Fury type. A lot of hype but falls short every time he's put in there with a decent operator.

Gosh you lads must be trolling! I didn't bite with "Gorman might beat Jennings" but "Gorman is the same level as Hughie" is equally daft. Hughie is a dreary fighter to watch but has been in with 3 top ten fighters and arguably was unlucky not to get the win against Parker. He's much better and fought MUCH better opposition than Gorman.

To be fair I wasnt actually saying he was as good as Hughie ha, just that Gorman if he was ever to compete on the world stage (which even that would be questionable) he'd be more likely to be akin to a hughie Fury type level rather than anything else.

For what its worth, I think that Hughie would likely box Gormans head off (probably in a very boring affair).

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 08:55

Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 03:52

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Aug 2020, 13:20 Jennings is a proven competitor with no doubt, but at the current stage of his career, it will be no surprise, if he loses to Gorman,

Based on what?! German has never even remotely operated on the level that Jennings has, and I highly doubt that Gorman would last 12 rounds with Joyce either.

Gorman is more akin to a Hughie Fury type. A lot of hype but falls short every time he's put in there with a decent operator.

Majorly based on Jennings declining more and more.

Even with his decline though, what evidence have you seen that Gorman would be able to beat him? Gorman has won an area title at this stage in his career. Jennings was winning on points against Rivas before he got stopped in the 12th and he gave Joyce a tough test aswell. I highly doubt that Gorman would even be competitive against either Rivas or Joyce.

Does anyone actually see this happening in October? Not sure we will see a packed out 02 this year tbh.

Think BBBofC ordered this fight March 2019 and I remember Sam Jones being up for it asap. Wonder how much they were paid to sign with frank and drop the belt....

Still on the Dubois hype train personally but I do rate Joyce..

One of my gripes with this fight is i keep seeing people talk about Joe Joyce being fucked if he loses to Dubois. I just don't see it. Big D could catch him early and get the stoppage but id still love the chance to treat the mrs with a trip to Paris (Joyce V Yoka <3) & matchroom ppv undercard fights vs the likes of Kuzmin, Bakole, Hrgovic, Price, Chisora etc seem like the obvious way for big Joe to earn his money. Don't see a loss or 2 stopping any of those fights.

Rivas was actually ahead but it was a super close fight. I think Joyce would stop Gorman within 6-8. Based on how he fought vs Joyce, which was still not bad and showed he's no cracked chin pushover, Jen would beat Gorman I think, unless he's just slipped now into loser mindset mode. Remember Jen actually hurt Joyce to the body in that one...the only guy who has really made it a 2 way fight vs Joyce so far.

Gorman isn't bad though, actually has some nice hand speed and combos, but I get the impression that the top 20 at least would have their way with him without much fuss. A bit under powered and lacking physically I sense, and a simple jab from Dub completely flustered him. You kinda got the impression that aside from Dub just being better, also that the ocassion mentally got to Gorm

keirw wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 04:41

Cyclops wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 04:36

Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 03:52

Based on what?! German has never even remotely operated on the level that Jennings has, and I highly doubt that Gorman would last 12 rounds with Joyce either.

Gorman is more akin to a Hughie Fury type. A lot of hype but falls short every time he's put in there with a decent operator.

Gosh you lads must be trolling! I didn't bite with "Gorman might beat Jennings" but "Gorman is the same level as Hughie" is equally daft. Hughie is a dreary fighter to watch but has been in with 3 top ten fighters and arguably was unlucky not to get the win against Parker. He's much better and fought MUCH better opposition than Gorman.

Gorman isn't as good a Hughie, but has a similar style and I can also see his career going a similar route. Albeit at a slightly lower level.

I think Hughie would knock Nathan out. I wouldn't care to watch the fight again, but he definitely hurt Pulev, who is miles above NG.

Hughie UD Gorman

Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 16:05

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 08:55

Nondescript wrote: ↑01 Sep 2020, 03:52

Based on what?! German has never even remotely operated on the level that Jennings has, and I highly doubt that Gorman would last 12 rounds with Joyce either.

Gorman is more akin to a Hughie Fury type. A lot of hype but falls short every time he's put in there with a decent operator.

Majorly based on Jennings declining more and more.

Even with his decline though, what evidence have you seen that Gorman would be able to beat him? Gorman has won an area title at this stage in his career. Jennings was winning on points against Rivas before he got stopped in the 12th and he gave Joyce a tough test aswell. I highly doubt that Gorman would even be competitive against either Rivas or Joyce.

Basically, I would pick Gorman, if he fights Jennings right now, just because it's a case, when I feel, that a prospect is decent and fresh enough to handle a declining figher.

Jennings does seem on a downward trajectory, but his last 2 losses were both respectable losses where he was competitive and showed he could handle himself,, and both against guys I'd take over Gorman

Lol now I'm interested and f@cking want to see those 2 fight

I think, people started to underestimate Gorman, after Dub had walked through him. It's a case, when overrating turns to underrating. Well, it won't be surprising, if Jennings has enough remained to deal with Gorman, but I definitely won't pick Hughie over Gorman. Hughie is too lethargic against anyone decent.

Think joyce did quite well against jennings, for everyone thats not elite, jennings is just awkward to beat well, he has a short body with super long arms, so when he shells up, he has the earmuffs on up top, but still has his elbows tucked in protecting the body, bit negitive sometimes but a Pretty neat little party trick.

Hughie deserved a draw against Parker, was well in the fight up until round 8 against Povetkin! Also did better than Del against Pulev, with one eye!

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 05:24 Hughie deserved a draw against Parker, was well in the fight up until round 8 against Povetkin! Also did better than Del against Pulev, with one eye!

Parker did enough to win in the Hughie bout. Povetkin defeated Hughie much more handily. As well as Pulev. Neither Chisora, nor Hughie did a lot against Pulev, those two bouts were near shotouts.

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 05:31

mickey1975 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2020, 05:24 Hughie deserved a draw against Parker, was well in the fight up until round 8 against Povetkin! Also did better than Del against Pulev, with one eye!

Parker did enough to win in the Hughie bout. Povetkin defeated Hughie much more handily. As well as Pulev. Neither Chisora, nor Hughie did a lot against Pulev, those two bouts were near shotouts.

I thought a few more right hands and he won. A few more seconds for Parker against Whyte and he’s won. He couldn’t see against Pulev and still rocked him.