Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:03
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Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:06
Tyson was unfortunate. The best names on his record had major drug problems or were old or fighting out of their best divisions. His best win is probably Ruddock.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:11
The likes of Tucker, Thomas and Tubbs showed more in the ring than one-dimensional Ruddock and achieved more. While they faced prime Tyson.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:15
All top fighters but in the case of Thomas and Tubbs drug addled by the time they fought Tyson. Tucker went into the fight with a broken hand.DrDuke wrote: ↑13 Dec 2020, 10:11The likes of Tucker, Thomas and Tubbs showed more in the ring than one-dimensional Ruddock and achieved more.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:17
Don’t be daft. Tucker, Biggs and Williams were each supposed to be the next big thing. He took out the Lineal champion in about 90 seconds - that’s as good as it gets. Nobody will ever wipe out an entire division by age 21 again.
He stopped training after that.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:20
Tucker's hand was broken (not Mike's fault) and the others I mentioned were raving cokeheads. Again not Mike's fault. I agree with you that he was awesome. My point is he didn't really beat anybody decent at the top of their game.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:36
fornicating hell.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:38
It just so happened every one of Mike’s opponents were coming off dialysis and out of wheelchairs to make it to the ring that night. Yep.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:43
Truth hurts guys
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 13 Dec 2020, 10:43
You said he is underrated. I'm agreeing and telling you why. He would be rated higher if he'd had the opportunity to fight other top fighters who were in their prime when he was. He simply didn't. Then he lost all his big fights after prison.coghaugen11 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2020, 10:38 It just so happened every one of Mike’s opponents were coming off dialysis and out of wheelchairs to make it to the ring that night. Yep.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 15 Dec 2020, 17:49
but at heavy weight there is no shame in getting ko, see this zero talk is dangerous , i think dubious did the right thing he had a busted eye at and at 24 has got at least 10 years left ,the man is a deacated fighter or carry on lose an eye and never fight again and be forgotten by 2021, same with this lewis ko talk , lewis came back from the ko better, mike tyson never came back from the ko , i was never the biggest lewis fan untill after his defeats, he changed it up boxed more defensive used his jab great , i think lewis in this modern day is the only boxer in the last 30 years who could beat tyson furymickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2020, 09:22 How does he get away with being sparked by two fringe heavyweights, going life and death with Ray Mercer and never gets accused of getting a gift in the Holyfield rematch?
It’s like he can’t do anything wrong.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 15 Dec 2020, 18:10
He won’t be boxing in two years - doesn’t have the stomach for it. Probably already made for life, so we may not even see him again tbh. You either have it in you or you don’t.brilo33 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 17:49but at heavy weight there is no shame in getting ko, see this zero talk is dangerous , i think dubious did the right thing he had a busted eye at and at 24 has got at least 10 years left ,the man is a deacated fighter or carry on lose an eye and never fight again and be forgotten by 2021, same with this lewis ko talk , lewis came back from the ko better, mike tyson never came back from the ko , i was never the biggest lewis fan untill after his defeats, he changed it up boxed more defensive used his jab great , i think lewis in this modern day is the only boxer in the last 30 years who could beat tyson furymickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2020, 09:22 How does he get away with being sparked by two fringe heavyweights, going life and death with Ray Mercer and never gets accused of getting a gift in the Holyfield rematch?
It’s like he can’t do anything wrong.
Calzaghe, Hatton, Haye and Froch had it in them. They got up.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 15 Dec 2020, 18:20
mate that might be the case with dd ,i dont know whats in his heart, iam just saying no point fighting to protect a zero if that will be your last fight just using him as he is most recent , not just him , i saying just because lewis got sparked by mccall and rackman you cant automatically call him overated just stupid, people were trying to say that with fury oh cunningham put him down everyone willcoghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 18:10He won’t be boxing in two years - doesn’t have the stomach for it. Probably already made for life, so we may not even see him again tbh. You either have it in you or you don’t.brilo33 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 17:49but at heavy weight there is no shame in getting ko, see this zero talk is dangerous , i think dubious did the right thing he had a busted eye at and at 24 has got at least 10 years left ,the man is a deacated fighter or carry on lose an eye and never fight again and be forgotten by 2021, same with this lewis ko talk , lewis came back from the ko better, mike tyson never came back from the ko , i was never the biggest lewis fan untill after his defeats, he changed it up boxed more defensive used his jab great , i think lewis in this modern day is the only boxer in the last 30 years who could beat tyson furymickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2020, 09:22 How does he get away with being sparked by two fringe heavyweights, going life and death with Ray Mercer and never gets accused of getting a gift in the Holyfield rematch?
It’s like he can’t do anything wrong.
Calzaghe, Hatton, Haye and Froch had it in them. They got up.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 15 Dec 2020, 18:22
Rubbish. Which one of them got their eyesocket done then? An eye injury is enough to make anyone with half a brain decide it's time to stop. Mugabi had more than the stomach for boxing and he quit with an eye injury!coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 18:10He won’t be boxing in two years - doesn’t have the stomach for it. Probably already made for life, so we may not even see him again tbh. You either have it in you or you don’t.brilo33 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 17:49but at heavy weight there is no shame in getting ko, see this zero talk is dangerous , i think dubious did the right thing he had a busted eye at and at 24 has got at least 10 years left ,the man is a deacated fighter or carry on lose an eye and never fight again and be forgotten by 2021, same with this lewis ko talk , lewis came back from the ko better, mike tyson never came back from the ko , i was never the biggest lewis fan untill after his defeats, he changed it up boxed more defensive used his jab great , i think lewis in this modern day is the only boxer in the last 30 years who could beat tyson furymickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2020, 09:22 How does he get away with being sparked by two fringe heavyweights, going life and death with Ray Mercer and never gets accused of getting a gift in the Holyfield rematch?
It’s like he can’t do anything wrong.
Calzaghe, Hatton, Haye and Froch had it in them. They got up.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 15 Dec 2020, 18:39
This is ridiculous. You would struggle to find many names in heavyweight history who could obliterate those men like Tyson did. He was a true force and to claim his title opponents weren't even "decent" is risible.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 15 Dec 2020, 18:51
I think Lennox Lewis improved in his time as champion. I seen him in person at Atlantic City NJ May 6 1994 defeating Phil Jackson. He was one dimensional every right hand seemed like a knockout punch. I was unimpressed. His next fight he was upset and stopped in two round to Oliver McCall September 24 1994 in his home country Great Britain. The next few years he lost to Rahman and defeated both Rahman and McCall. He really in my opinion became more fundamentally sound in his wins over Tommy Morrison Holyfield and Tyson. I would not say he was the greatest heavyweight of all time but certainly he is a top 5-10 in history. He came back strong after losses and beat some tough fighters. It is too bad the Bowe fight never happened in 1993-1995 that would have certainly been a super fight. I would say no he is not overrated.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 16 Dec 2020, 01:16
Hairline fracture.dookus wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 18:22Rubbish. Which one of them got their eyesocket done then? An eye injury is enough to make anyone with half a brain decide it's time to stop. Mugabi had more than the stomach for boxing and he quit with an eye injury!coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 18:10He won’t be boxing in two years - doesn’t have the stomach for it. Probably already made for life, so we may not even see him again tbh. You either have it in you or you don’t.brilo33 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 17:49
but at heavy weight there is no shame in getting ko, see this zero talk is dangerous , i think dubious did the right thing he had a busted eye at and at 24 has got at least 10 years left ,the man is a deacated fighter or carry on lose an eye and never fight again and be forgotten by 2021, same with this lewis ko talk , lewis came back from the ko better, mike tyson never came back from the ko , i was never the biggest lewis fan untill after his defeats, he changed it up boxed more defensive used his jab great , i think lewis in this modern day is the only boxer in the last 30 years who could beat tyson fury
Calzaghe, Hatton, Haye and Froch had it in them. They got up.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 16 Dec 2020, 01:17
Hugely exaggerated
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 16 Dec 2020, 07:09
Phil Jackson was the fight where the fiercely pro Lennox mag Boxing Monthly changed their opinion about the McCall mandatory and said 'if Lewis doesn't take him seriously, he could lose'. They had already gone from McCall is a gimme to McCall is going to be his toughest test prior to Jackson.f read wrote: ↑15 Dec 2020, 18:51 I think Lennox Lewis improved in his time as champion. I seen him in person at Atlantic City NJ May 6 1994 defeating Phil Jackson. He was one dimensional every right hand seemed like a knockout punch. I was unimpressed. His next fight he was upset and stopped in two round to Oliver McCall September 24 1994 in his home country Great Britain. The next few years he lost to Rahman and defeated both Rahman and McCall. He really in my opinion became more fundamentally sound in his wins over Tommy Morrison Holyfield and Tyson. I would not say he was the greatest heavyweight of all time but certainly he is a top 5-10 in history. He came back strong after losses and beat some tough fighters. It is too bad the Bowe fight never happened in 1993-1995 that would have certainly been a super fight. I would say no he is not overrated.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 16 Dec 2020, 18:39
Is there a thread on overrated boxing world champions? wonder where Lewis would be in that? Not top of my list
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 17 Dec 2020, 01:44
LL wasn't over-rated, he avenged both defeats by stoppage and beat every top fighter that was available.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 19 Dec 2020, 08:30
What on earth are you talking about, mickey 1975? Lewis is far and away the best British heavyweight of all time. He beat everyone he faced and the two defeats were aberrations. He won both Holyfield fights clearly and was widely recognised even in the US as the best heavyweight of his generation. Honestly, you really need to do your homework before posting stuff like this. Shameful.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 19 Dec 2020, 09:14
He's in the Top 10 heavyweights of all time.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 19 Dec 2020, 18:01
I don’t mean to sound churlish or whatever, but McCall beat himself in the rematch. He had a breakdown. Not Lennox‘s fault but no-one ever mentions that.Controversial wrote: ↑17 Dec 2020, 01:44 LL wasn't over-rated, he avenged both defeats by stoppage and beat every top fighter that was available.
Re: Lennox was overrated
Posted: 19 Dec 2020, 18:04
It’s not for me to say but I think this post might be part of what he‘s talking about. Why can’t we question Lewis‘s legacy or whatever. That’s what boxing fans do, nothing shameful about it. Sometimes Lennox seems beyond reproach on here. Why?Richard Fletcher wrote: ↑19 Dec 2020, 08:30 What on earth are you talking about, mickey 1975? Lewis is far and away the best British heavyweight of all time. He beat everyone he faced and the two defeats were aberrations. He won both Holyfield fights clearly and was widely recognised even in the US as the best heavyweight of his generation. Honestly, you really need to do your homework before posting stuff like this. Shameful.