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gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:21

brilo33 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:19

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:12

He lost both fights to Golovkin. The judges gave him decisions he didn't deserve both times.

He also lost every round to Floyd Mayweather in spite of one judge inexplicably calling it a draw.

He may be one of the most protected fighters I've ever seen when it comes to judging. You have to shut him out to beat him.

won or lost has no bearing . i am saying he thought 2 wars before the jacobs fight he was never going to be on point

Thought 2 wars?

What the hell does that even mean?

thought 2 wars he is a very big chess player

i mean you have 2 huge fights that wipe you out , you are not going to be tip top in your next fight no matter how good that beef is

brilo33 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:25 i mean you have 2 huge fights that wipe you out , you are not going to be tip top in your next fight no matter how good that beef is

Tell that to Carmen Basilio who fought in The Fight of the Year. Wars every single time for 5 years straight, and stayed on top of his game through all of 'em. In spite of fighting some of the most savage fights anybody ever fought, and fighting multiple times a year more than Canelo.

You can be on top of your game after going through a lot more than Canelo went through.

The 2 GGG fights were hardly wars. They were good fights. Calling them Wars is a big exaggeration of how damaging they were.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:36

brilo33 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:25 i mean you have 2 huge fights that wipe you out , you are not going to be tip top in your next fight no matter how good that beef is

Tell that to Carmen Basilio who fought in The Fight of the Year. Wars every single time for 5 years straight, and stayed on top of his game through all of 'em. In spite of fighting some of the most savage fights anybody ever fought, and fighting multiple times a year more than Canelo.

You can be on top of your game after going through a lot more than Canelo went through.

The 2 GGG fights were hardly wars. They were good fights. Calling them Wars is a big exaggeration of how damaging they were.

your proper old school gill then respect ,maybe ive mellowed in my age , but when has there been 2 fights at middlewieight like that in the last 20 years not in my life time pavlik vs taylor and iam in my 30s . your going back to fighters like
Marvin Hagler, hagler v saul whats your call at 160

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 16:16 EO basically picks a favorite fighter, and just ignores every fault he has, and points out the others that the other guy has.

Both guys have tested positive for PED's.

Roy was a better fighter in his prime, and put on more dazzling performances.

I didn't read the last book he wrote when quoting me because I could see with "Roid Jones Jr." that he was basically just using it as a childish insulting of the guy who he wishes wasn't the better fighter.

Canelo has probably made more money with his in ring career than Roy did so you can take solace in that EO.

He'd lose every round if both were in their prime.

Cool story bro.

Roy Jones Jr. was a steroid using drug cheat. Canelo was cleared or any wrongdoing.

If Roy was forced to fight clean against Canelo, expect him to lose.

That is my final answer.

By the way, I didn’t read that book you wrote, but thanks for playing.

RJJ absolutely destroying Canelo in the poll, and rightly so.
Easy! Easy! Easy! Easy!

brilo33 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:46

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:36

brilo33 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:25 i mean you have 2 huge fights that wipe you out , you are not going to be tip top in your next fight no matter how good that beef is

Tell that to Carmen Basilio who fought in The Fight of the Year. Wars every single time for 5 years straight, and stayed on top of his game through all of 'em. In spite of fighting some of the most savage fights anybody ever fought, and fighting multiple times a year more than Canelo.

You can be on top of your game after going through a lot more than Canelo went through.

The 2 GGG fights were hardly wars. They were good fights. Calling them Wars is a big exaggeration of how damaging they were.

your proper old school gill then respect ,maybe ive mellowed in my age , but when has there been 2 fights at middlewieight like that in the last 20 years not in my life time pavlik vs taylor and iam in my 30s . your going back to fighters like
Marvin Hagler, hagler v saul whats your call at 160

Pavlik vs Taylor 1 was definitely a more brutal war than either GGG vs Canelo fight. The 2nd one was about the same as the 2 Golovkin vs Canelo fights respectively in terms of damage done I'd think.

I'd say a guy like David Lemieux takes more damage almost every time he fights than either Golovkin or Canelo did in their fights.

Andy Lee was in quite a few wars back to back to back, and he kept performing at the same level or better for a long while during that stretch. 2 tough fights ain't gonna sap you of anything. Hell when you're in your prime it should only make you better.

As for Marvin Hagler vs Saul. I think Hagler would beat the sh*t out of him and stop him late in the fight. He could beat Canelo every which way. He could outbox him or outfight him.

I'm going back a lot further than Hagler by bringing up Carmen Basilio. Basilio's heyday was decades before Hagler's.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:48

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 16:16 EO basically picks a favorite fighter, and just ignores every fault he has, and points out the others that the other guy has.

Both guys have tested positive for PED's.

Roy was a better fighter in his prime, and put on more dazzling performances.

I didn't read the last book he wrote when quoting me because I could see with "Roid Jones Jr." that he was basically just using it as a childish insulting of the guy who he wishes wasn't the better fighter.

Canelo has probably made more money with his in ring career than Roy did so you can take solace in that EO.

He'd lose every round if both were in their prime.

Cool story bro.

Roy Jones Jr. was a steroid using drug cheat. Canelo was cleared or any wrongdoing.

If Roy was forced to fight clean against Canelo, expect him to lose.

That is my final answer.

By the way, I didn’t read that book you wrote, but thanks for playing.

They both tested positive for a banned substance the exact same amount of times, but Canelo gets a pass because you like him.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 19:26

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 18:48

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 16:16 EO basically picks a favorite fighter, and just ignores every fault he has, and points out the others that the other guy has.

Both guys have tested positive for PED's.

Roy was a better fighter in his prime, and put on more dazzling performances.

I didn't read the last book he wrote when quoting me because I could see with "Roid Jones Jr." that he was basically just using it as a childish insulting of the guy who he wishes wasn't the better fighter.

Canelo has probably made more money with his in ring career than Roy did so you can take solace in that EO.

He'd lose every round if both were in their prime.

Cool story bro.

Roy Jones Jr. was a steroid using drug cheat. Canelo was cleared or any wrongdoing.

If Roy was forced to fight clean against Canelo, expect him to lose.

That is my final answer.

By the way, I didn’t read that book you wrote, but thanks for playing.

They both tested positive for a banned substance the exact same amount of times, but Canelo gets a pass because you like him.

I'll just recycle an old response I've already posted to this thread, on which you couldn't refute, because it's a simple fact!

According to the current threshold rules surrounding clenbuterol, Canelo would not have been deemed guilty of consuming a banned substance. He was ultimately cleared of committing any wrongdoing by WADA, the WBC and also the NSAC.

And let’s be perfectly honest, if Canelo really wanted to cheat, he wouldn’t have taken some cheap ḁṡṡ ṡhḯt like clenbuterol, which is the same over-the-counter diet pills that housewives, struggling actors and amateur bodybuilders are able to take (without a prescription in Mexico) to burn fat.

So if we evaluate Canelo according today's PED protocols, he shouldn't be considered as being a drug cheat.

Whatever dude.

You excuse one guy for PED's and not another. Good for you.

I don't give a f*ck if they're all on them. My opinion doesn't change just because a fighter I did like used them. My policy on this remains the same across the board.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 20:27 Whatever dude.

You excuse one guy for PED's and not another. Good for you.

I don't give a f*ck if they're all on them. My opinion doesn't change just because a fighter I did like used them. My policy on this remains the same across the board.

Roy Jones Jr. is respected and admired by this forum, despite being a proven drug cheat that rarely underwent PED testing.

Canelo is despised by this forum. And he's also ridiculed for submitting an adverse test sample that would have undeniably been cleared today had the current WADA protocols applied.

And like I said before, Canelo was ultimately cleared of committing any wrongdoing by WADA, the WBC and also the NSAC.

Those are facts, not opinions.

The only person applying double-standards is you, because you’re defending Roy Jones Jr., whilst condemning Canelo. And you can’t seriously pretend otherwise, especially when you come out with ṡḣḭṫ like this…

gilgamesh wrote: ↑22 Dec 2016, 19:35I can't stand The Red Chicken Canelo

I don't know who you're quoting there but it's not me. I've never called any fighter a chicken, to me that's childish and ridiculous and I most definitely wouldn't have used that insult on any fighter. Let alone Canelo who I don't consider a coward at all. I consider him a brave, and very talented fighter.

I'm just realistic about what he's capable of.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 20:39I don't know who you're quoting there but it's not me. I've never called any fighter a chicken, to me that's childish and ridiculous and I most definitely wouldn't have used that insult on any fighter.

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You know for certain that I focus on fact not fiction!

Sounds kinda like something the poster apollo creed would've said.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 20:42 Sounds kinda like something the poster apollo creed would've said.

Well, you obviously said it.

I'm not the one that lied, am I?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 20:39I don't know who you're quoting there but it's not me. I've never called any fighter a chicken, to me that's childish and ridiculous and I most definitely wouldn't have used that insult on any fighter.

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I really don't remember saying that. Doesn't seem like something I would've said.

Even when i read it back, it doesn't sound like something I would've said.

At the time I must've thought of him as ducking GGG is my only guess, but even then it doesn't sound like me. For now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that I guess I said it, and forgot about it.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 20:44 I really don't remember saying that. Doesn't seem like something I would've said.

Even when i read it back, it doesn't sound like something I would've said.

No worries.

Also how the hell did you even dig that up? I must've made like 15,000 more comments since then

I'd think even Canelo comments I've made would be well in the 100's if not 1000's. That took a hell of a lot of time to unearth I'll grant you that.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 20:47 Also how the hell did you even dig that up? I must've made like 15,000 more comments since then

I'd think even Canelo comments I've made would be well in the 100's if not 1000's. That took a hell of a lot of time to unearth I'll grant you that.

Aren’t you a forum moderator?

All I had to do was use the BoxRec search page. And it only took me about a minute or two to find that quote. You can tell by the timestamps of our posts that I found that quote rather quickly!

To be fair, it’s fairly easy to find posts from fellow forum users criticizing Canelo.

Well for what it's worth, if I called him a "chicken" which i still can't believe I used that particular insult, it would've been because of me perceiving him to be ducking Golovkin at the time.

I certainly wouldn't think of him that way now, and don't. He's obviously a brave fighter who takes on a lot of dangerous opposition that a guy in his position really doesn't have to face. I give him a lot of credit for that.

But I keep it real about what he's capable of in the ring.

Hell just the other day I mentioned that I believed he'd beat some lower tier Heavyweights so it's not like I pick against him in any scenario. I just know what his level is, and about where his limits are.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 Jan 2021, 20:59 Well for what it's worth, if I called him a "chicken" which i still can't believe I used that particular insult, it would've been because of me perceiving him to be ducking Golovkin at the time.

I certainly wouldn't think of him that way now, and don't. He's obviously a brave fighter who takes on a lot of dangerous opposition that a guy in his position really doesn't have to face. I give him a lot of credit for that.

But I keep it real about what he's capable of in the ring.

Hell just the other day I mentioned that I believed he'd beat some lower tier Heavyweights so it's not like I pick against him in any scenario. I just know what his level is, and about where his limits are.