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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Feb 2021, 01:26 he's the most complete fighter stylistically in the division, a guy who outboxed and jabbed wlad from range, outfought chisora inside, backed up and battered wilder aggressively

Yes, absolutely. He may not be perfect or even particularly easy on the eye, but he really can do a bit of everything and, crucially, usually knows exactly when to do it.

Personaly i think prime Lewiss , Holmes , Norton , Foreman and a few others would beat him ,,,,BUT pickin h past fighters is silly because you will never know ,, present fighters , if you put in a fit in shape Ruiz , i think he would give Fury nightmares , Tysons resume is shite when you take away ..Klitchko and Wilder , and Wilder was shite anyway with a worse resume ,, and i will not discount Aj doing a job on him either

fury would jab and move plodding andy's head off, disagree totally, ruiz has a style made for fury to beat

coneye wrote: ↑10 Feb 2021, 04:12 Personaly i think prime Lewiss , Holmes , Norton , Foreman and a few others would beat him ,,,,BUT pickin h past fighters is silly because you will never know ,, present fighters , if you put in a fit in shape Ruiz , i think he would give Fury nightmares , Tysons resume is shite when you take away ..Klitchko and Wilder , and Wilder was shite anyway with a worse resume ,, and i will not discount Aj doing a job on him either

i imagine taking away dudes best wins will weaken the resumes of pretty much everyone

let's be honest, reigning wlad + wilder is a better win pair than anyone else in the division has had for quite a while, he's not really one to resume bash atm

It's only possible to think about the boxers of the past here and only Lewis seems a realistic option.

Except Doc the question is "what style" not "which individual boxer" beats Fury ?

candyslim wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021, 03:39 Except Doc the question is "what style" not "which individual boxer" beats Fury ?

Yeah, I picked Lewis exactly because of the style context. He was big, smart and versatile boxer/puncher, a near perfect competitor. That's the style, which is the most appropriate against Fury. And not many in history were that good. Lewis could counteract to the Fury styled opponent on the range, he could measure the correct pace, he could time good shots, he was big and strong enough not to be overpowered, he felt OK in the exchanges and could hit hard.

It would be a highly competitive fight that's for sure and could go either way.

Loki wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 20:41 Prime Lewis, Prime Vitali and Prime Wlad all bash him up.

Of Course.

Fury's resume rests on wining on points vs a 39 year fighter ( likely on PED's ) and beating Wilder, and his hype machine when Wilder was 35. Semi impressive.

Of course two no manes floored him, another one stunned him, and he probably lost on points to John McDermott, but Fury fans quickly sweep that under the rug. What I know about boxing is this. Chins don't get much better which is why he avoids punchers in their prime who can fight. As soon as he fas a man in his prime who can box and hit, he's going to lose.

Someone like Joshua you mean, or is he sh1t too - at least until he's been retired for the requisite period of time?

pound per pound wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021, 18:58

Loki wrote: ↑26 Jan 2021, 20:41 Prime Lewis, Prime Vitali and Prime Wlad all bash him up.

Of Course.

Fury's resume rests on wining on points vs a 39 year fighter ( likely on PED's ) and beating Wilder, and his hype machine when Wilder was 35. Semi impressive.

Of course two no manes floored him, another one stunned him, and he probably lost on points to John McDermott, but Fury fans quickly sweep that under the rug. What I know about boxing is this. Chins don't get much better which is why he avoids punchers in their prime who can fight. As soon as he fas a man in his prime who can box and hit, he's going to lose.

Well not everyone agrees on that decision, but let's say Fury lost to McDermot. So what?

Fury was what, 20/21 years old? Fighting in his 8th fight against McDermot who was an experienced pro.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Fury stop McDermot in the rematch?

So your argument is, a favoured prospect getting a controversial decision, who put things right immediately after, has had their reputation forever tarnished?
Joker

Well said Finkel. It's important to keep a sense of perspective.

pound per pound wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021, 18:58he probably lost on points to John McDermott, but Fury fans quickly sweep that under the rug.

Probably because people aren't stupid enough to believe an undisciplined youngster that had only just turned 21 years of age, competing for his first major title as a pro, could be considered anywhere remotely close to the prime version of Tyson Fury.

And did you forget about what happened in the rematch nine months later, or did you just "quickly sweep that under the rug"?

AJ was stopped by Mihai Nistor in 2011, does that loss mean anything nowadays? The obvious answer is no, so why mention ancient history?

Eolaithe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 09:52

pound per pound wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021, 18:58he probably lost on points to John McDermott, but Fury fans quickly sweep that under the rug.

Probably because people aren't stupid enough to believe an undisciplined youngster that had only just turned 21 years of age, competing for his first major title as a pro, could be considered anywhere remotely close to the prime version of Tyson Fury.

And did you forget about what happened in the rematch nine months later, or did you just "quickly sweep that under the rug"?

AJ was stopped by Mihai Nistor in 2011, does that loss mean anything nowadays? The obvious answer is no, so why mention ancient history?

He still probaby lost the first fight with McDermott.

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 18:46

Eolaithe wrote: ↑13 Feb 2021, 09:52

pound per pound wrote: ↑11 Feb 2021, 18:58he probably lost on points to John McDermott, but Fury fans quickly sweep that under the rug.

Probably because people aren't stupid enough to believe an undisciplined youngster that had only just turned 21 years of age, competing for his first major title as a pro, could be considered anywhere remotely close to the prime version of Tyson Fury.

And did you forget about what happened in the rematch nine months later, or did you just "quickly sweep that under the rug"?

AJ was stopped by Mihai Nistor in 2011, does that loss mean anything nowadays? The obvious answer is no, so why mention ancient history?

He still probaby lost the first fight with McDermott.

Last time I rewatched it, I had Fury edging there.

In the rematch Fury outclassed him, although he had some problems just before he managed to come back and stop McDermott.