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The Eubank who fought Wharton was NOT the Eubank who fought Dan Schommer etc. He was way beyond the usual Eubank.

And the Benn who fought McClellan you’d have to nail to the canvas to beat. Shots were bouncing off him, and even upped the pace in the 10th!

Guys like Beyer and Kessler did nothing that well? A Michael Nunn for instance was literally as good as it gets in full flow.

Kalambay never fought at the weight, but was like a rich mans Mayweather Jr against McCallum

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 15:54

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 15:42 Marvin was his pal.

'Pal' or not David was a cagey spoiler, who barely threw a dozen punches a round (in sparring or fights) how was he going to prepare Wharton for Benn ?

He used Flute and Rob Norton several times but as far as I recall he only used Jacobs for the O'Toole fight (he damaged Jacobs shoulder first night sparring and he returned to London)

BUT he didn't use either of this in preparation for the Benn fight.

No, he didn’t. Used them in Tenerife. The whole training set up had changed by then. Marvin was a Leeds guy so maybe helping out. I saw him at the St Pats social club above the gym a few times at after fight parties in the early days.
In Tenerife they were put up by John “Goldfinger” Palmer.

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:16 Could be worse I suppose, Chris Eubank used Colin Manners for the Nigel Benn rematch

Manners was never a 'high output' fighter at his best, but this was the gunshy post Chris Pyatt Manners, who averaged 2 - 4 punches a round.

Gale, Nick Manners, Browne were all good sparring at home around 12st. I think he sparred local fighters in Florida for Benn.

Has Henry made his money post boxing with the fish & chip shop or did he invest his boxing earnings wisely ?

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 17:34

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:21
Gale, Nick Manners, Browne were all good sparring at home around 12st. I think he sparred local fighters in Florida for Benn.

According to Nick he was 'let go' by Duff because 'you don't keep two bulls in the same pen' (RE: Him and Wharton)

That sounds like, well...bullshit from Mickey, if he said it. Nothing wrong with a promoter having more than one decent fighter in a division, for obvious reasons.

Floyd the snake wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:56 Has Henry made his money post boxing with the fish & chip shop or did he invest his boxing earnings wisely ?

The answer could be both, no?

Floyd the snake wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:56 Has Henry made his money post boxing with the fish & chip shop or did he invest his boxing earnings wisely ?

He hasn’t had the chip shop in years. It probably did make money in the property value because of where it was.

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 17:44

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 17:34

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:21
Gale, Nick Manners, Browne were all good sparring at home around 12st. I think he sparred local fighters in Florida for Benn.

According to Nick he was 'let go' by Duff because 'you don't keep two bulls in the same pen' (RE: Him and Wharton)

That sounds like, well...bullshit from Mickey, if he said it. Nothing wrong with a promoter having more than one decent fighter in a division, for obvious reasons.

Tony Booth was fuming at Manners ‘exaggerating the truth’ on IFL recently.

Floyd the snake wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:56 Has Henry made his money post boxing with the fish & chip shop or did he invest his boxing earnings wisely ?

Henry built his house with his earnings whilst still active. He earned well.

Rightly so Wharton earned well. He had a big following.

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 19:00 Rightly so Wharton earned well. He had a big following.

The money from the Benn fight was more than most get for challenging today. And it was nearly 30 years ago. A lot more.

He took coach loads of fans to that fight and there was a real buzz about it in the trade (in Britain at least) so he deserved to be well paid.

Just a shame he was overawed and didn't go for it on the night. That said, a reckless performance against a two fisted knockout artist like Benn could have spelled disaster

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 18:16

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 17:44
That sounds like, well...bullshit from Mickey, if he said it. Nothing wrong with a promoter having more than one decent fighter in a division, for obvious reasons.

I was quoting NICK not DUFF.

I know, hence the clause.

Coco wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 09:21 It's easy for you keyboard warriors to rubbish the impact of big clocks but until you have stood outside Big Ben you have no idea of the nerves and fear it brings.

You’re not bong

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:16 Could be worse I suppose, Chris Eubank used Colin Manners for the Nigel Benn rematch

Manners was never a 'high output' fighter at his best, but this was the gunshy post Chris Pyatt Manners, who averaged 2 - 4 punches a round.

Eubank had Chris Pyatt, Dean Francis, Andy Flute and Manners as his sparring team for the Benn II camp. They stayed in the twin mansion to his Mock Tudor that had 5 or 6 bedrooms - that was Eubank’s home gym, office and so on about 100 yards from his main house the Eubanks lived in.

The team for Rocchigiani was Ray Webb, Cornelius Carr, Scott Welch and Kenny Nevins.

Bolton wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 03:32

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 02:51

I know, hence the clause.

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 17:44 That sounds like, well...bullshit from MICKEY, if HE said it.

The keyword is 'if'. Obviously.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 11:28

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:16 Could be worse I suppose, Chris Eubank used Colin Manners for the Nigel Benn rematch

Manners was never a 'high output' fighter at his best, but this was the gunshy post Chris Pyatt Manners, who averaged 2 - 4 punches a round.

Eubank had Chris Pyatt, Dean Francis, Andy Flute and Manners as his sparring team for the Benn II camp. They stayed in the twin mansion to his Mock Tudor that had 5 or 6 bedrooms - that was Eubank’s home gym, office and so on about 100 yards from his main house the Eubanks lived in.

The team for Rocchigiani was Ray Webb, Cornelius Carr, Scott Welch and Kenny Nevins.

Wharton beat Carr in the ams as well.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 11:52

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 11:28

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:16 Could be worse I suppose, Chris Eubank used Colin Manners for the Nigel Benn rematch

Manners was never a 'high output' fighter at his best, but this was the gunshy post Chris Pyatt Manners, who averaged 2 - 4 punches a round.

Eubank had Chris Pyatt, Dean Francis, Andy Flute and Manners as his sparring team for the Benn II camp. They stayed in the twin mansion to his Mock Tudor that had 5 or 6 bedrooms - that was Eubank’s home gym, office and so on about 100 yards from his main house the Eubanks lived in.

The team for Rocchigiani was Ray Webb, Cornelius Carr, Scott Welch and Kenny Nevins.

Wharton beat Carr in the ams as well.

I imagine he was an incredible amateur with three 3s before computer scoring - you can’t run away and just jab unless it’s 12 rounds

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 15:34

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 12:37 Yes, Mickey Duff moved them to Marbella.

Bizarrely his chief sparring partner was Marvin O'Brien/David Powell, no disrespect to David who was much better than his record indicates, but I really don't see how he could help Wharton prepare for Benn ?

Can't reply to your pms. Hope you're well and haven't been banned.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 11:28

Bolton wrote: ↑26 Mar 2021, 16:16 Could be worse I suppose, Chris Eubank used Colin Manners for the Nigel Benn rematch

Manners was never a 'high output' fighter at his best, but this was the gunshy post Chris Pyatt Manners, who averaged 2 - 4 punches a round.

Eubank had Chris Pyatt, Dean Francis, Andy Flute and Manners as his sparring team for the Benn II camp. They stayed in the twin mansion to his Mock Tudor that had 5 or 6 bedrooms - that was Eubank’s home gym, office and so on about 100 yards from his main house the Eubanks lived in.

The team for Rocchigiani was Ray Webb, Cornelius Carr, Scott Welch and Kenny Nevins.

Kenny Nevers*

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 14:29
Can't reply to your pms. Hope you're well and haven't been banned.

Yes they (when I say 'they' I mean that humourless prick Mimmy) got me again

I've tried to send you a PM but they're not going through (more Mimsy antics )

Moved back to Blackpool, Thornton was dull beyond belief and landlady was a loon.

Hope all is well with you mate

This is dedicated to Mimmy, Mickey and all other deluded fantasists ..

Cherry Burton wrote: ↑14 Apr 2021, 18:06

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 14:29
Can't reply to your pms. Hope you're well and haven't been banned.

Yes they (when I say 'they' I mean that humourless prick Mimmy) got me again

I've tried to send you a PM but they're not going through (more Mimsy antics )

Moved back to Blackpool, Thornton was dull beyond belief and landlady was a loon.

Hope all is well with you mate

I'm fine, thanks. Have you been banished again? The weather's getting warmer, you might be able to sunbathe soon on Blackpool's beautiful beaches.

Loved Wharton, got to fight on his undercard when he fought Thornbury, Calzaghe was also supposed to be on against Paul Wright but sprained his ankle and pulled out, I also boxed on the show that Henry was supposed to be headlining against Crawford Ashley for all the domestic light heavyweight titles, the fight got pulled (don’t know why) and Patrick Mullings v Brian Carr took top spot instead.

littlepug wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 16:50 Loved Wharton, got to fight on his undercard when he fought Thornbury, Calzaghe was also supposed to be on against Paul Wright but sprained his ankle and pulled out, I also boxed on the show that Henry was supposed to be headlining against Crawford Ashley for all the domestic light heavyweight titles, the fight got pulled (don’t know why) and Patrick Mullings v Brian Carr took top spot instead.

He retired.