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Crease wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 07:13

mickey1975 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 07:07I’d be amazed if Del stops him.

Hopefully we'll see the bout. And we can see how much pressure Del Boy applies.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2021, 13:05 I think David has been sniffing glue.

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2021, 13:35

mickey1975 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2021, 13:05 I think David has been sniffing glue.

Doesn't seem like nearly eight years ago, does it? Remember people posting the photos of David's cut on here.

Most people had it as a walk on the park for Haye. I know you didn't.

I seldom get heavyweight matches wrong but I was picking Haye then. I would have been wrong. Always rated Fury but didn't think he was ready.

Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2021, 13:35

mickey1975 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2021, 13:05 I think David has been sniffing glue.

Doesn't seem like nearly eight years ago, does it? Remember people posting the photos of David's cut on here.

Most people had it as a walk on the park for Haye. I know you didn't.

I seldom get heavyweight matches wrong but I was picking Haye then. I would have been wrong. Always rated Fury but didn't think he was ready.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2021, 13:45 I’ll go with Dave though, an upgraded version of the one who faced Chisora (bit rusty) and was bashing a fresh Wilder with counters.

Fury was too unstable and hadn’t fought in front of a big crowd yet.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑05 Apr 2021, 13:45 I’ll go with Dave though, an upgraded version of the one who faced Chisora (bit rusty) and was bashing a fresh Wilder with counters.

Fury was too unstable and hadn’t fought in front of a big crowd yet.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 04:44Fury vs Price would have been good when it was being built up but the Fury camp didn't want that fight.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 04:44 I think Haye Fury would have been a terrible fight. Both guys would have stayed back and did nothing. Haye had shown he would do nothing in the Wlad fight and Fury has also shown that he will backpeddle and do nothing himself. Their fights with Wlad were two of the worst fights in the history of the division. It's nice to look back and think it would have been a barnburner but I highly doubt it would have been. I'm glad it didn't happen. Fury vs Price would have been good when it was being built up but the Fury camp didn't want that fight.

Cyclops wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 12:10

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 04:44 I think Haye Fury would have been a terrible fight. Both guys would have stayed back and did nothing. Haye had shown he would do nothing in the Wlad fight and Fury has also shown that he will backpeddle and do nothing himself. Their fights with Wlad were two of the worst fights in the history of the division. It's nice to look back and think it would have been a barnburner but I highly doubt it would have been. I'm glad it didn't happen. Fury vs Price would have been good when it was being built up but the Fury camp didn't want that fight.

I don't think Fury was thought of as elusive at the time and Haye was always very cautious was proper super heavyweights and had a 'raiding' approach which could bring moments of excitement. There's no indication Fury would have been in 'chess match' mode as he was with Wladamir, and was known for throwing a lot more leather. I don't think he'd have had the same gameplan vs Haye, who was much smaller. He might've tried to rag doll him and Haye was very fast and had very good head movement. What most of the worst 'big time' heavyweight fights have in common is that they were Wladamir Klitschko fighting somebody who was actually good. Povetkin-Klitschko was awful, Ibragamov-Klitschko was awful. Maybe I'm being overly positive, but I think Haye and Fury would have been less cautious and both would have tested each other's whiskers and a KD or two and a KO wouldn't have surprised me. So I disagree, and think it would have been a fun fight.

J-C wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 13:11

Cyclops wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 12:10

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 04:44 I think Haye Fury would have been a terrible fight. Both guys would have stayed back and did nothing. Haye had shown he would do nothing in the Wlad fight and Fury has also shown that he will backpeddle and do nothing himself. Their fights with Wlad were two of the worst fights in the history of the division. It's nice to look back and think it would have been a barnburner but I highly doubt it would have been. I'm glad it didn't happen. Fury vs Price would have been good when it was being built up but the Fury camp didn't want that fight.

I don't think Fury was thought of as elusive at the time and Haye was always very cautious was proper super heavyweights and had a 'raiding' approach which could bring moments of excitement. There's no indication Fury would have been in 'chess match' mode as he was with Wladamir, and was known for throwing a lot more leather. I don't think he'd have had the same gameplan vs Haye, who was much smaller. He might've tried to rag doll him and Haye was very fast and had very good head movement. What most of the worst 'big time' heavyweight fights have in common is that they were Wladamir Klitschko fighting somebody who was actually good. Povetkin-Klitschko was awful, Ibragamov-Klitschko was awful. Maybe I'm being overly positive, but I think Haye and Fury would have been less cautious and both would have tested each other's whiskers and a KD or two and a KO wouldn't have surprised me. So I disagree, and think it would have been a fun fight.

Fury won two very dominant but fairly careful and boring victories over Johnson and Chisora before Wlad. He lost his head against Cunningham without his uncle in the corner, but that was the exception.

I think him vs Haye at that point would have been a lot of fainting from both, Haye waiting for an opening and Fury not giving him a look in.

brilo33 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 14:34 david pearce v frank bruno

J-C wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 05:08 Danny Williams vs Herbie Hide was supposed to happen and would have been a fun fight, Williams seemed to have genuinely got under Hide's skin by talking about knocking him out in sparring.

J-C wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 13:11

Cyclops wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 12:10

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 04:44 I think Haye Fury would have been a terrible fight. Both guys would have stayed back and did nothing. Haye had shown he would do nothing in the Wlad fight and Fury has also shown that he will backpeddle and do nothing himself. Their fights with Wlad were two of the worst fights in the history of the division. It's nice to look back and think it would have been a barnburner but I highly doubt it would have been. I'm glad it didn't happen. Fury vs Price would have been good when it was being built up but the Fury camp didn't want that fight.

I don't think Fury was thought of as elusive at the time and Haye was always very cautious was proper super heavyweights and had a 'raiding' approach which could bring moments of excitement. There's no indication Fury would have been in 'chess match' mode as he was with Wladamir, and was known for throwing a lot more leather. I don't think he'd have had the same gameplan vs Haye, who was much smaller. He might've tried to rag doll him and Haye was very fast and had very good head movement. What most of the worst 'big time' heavyweight fights have in common is that they were Wladamir Klitschko fighting somebody who was actually good. Povetkin-Klitschko was awful, Ibragamov-Klitschko was awful. Maybe I'm being overly positive, but I think Haye and Fury would have been less cautious and both would have tested each other's whiskers and a KD or two and a KO wouldn't have surprised me. So I disagree, and think it would have been a fun fight.

Fury won two very dominant but fairly careful and boring victories over Johnson and Chisora before Wlad. He lost his head against Cunningham without his uncle in the corner, but that was the exception.

I think him vs Haye at that point would have been a lot of fainting from both, Haye waiting for an opening and Fury not giving him a look in.

Cyclops wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 07:17

J-C wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 13:11

Cyclops wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 12:10
I don't think Fury was thought of as elusive at the time and Haye was always very cautious was proper super heavyweights and had a 'raiding' approach which could bring moments of excitement. There's no indication Fury would have been in 'chess match' mode as he was with Wladamir, and was known for throwing a lot more leather. I don't think he'd have had the same gameplan vs Haye, who was much smaller. He might've tried to rag doll him and Haye was very fast and had very good head movement. What most of the worst 'big time' heavyweight fights have in common is that they were Wladamir Klitschko fighting somebody who was actually good. Povetkin-Klitschko was awful, Ibragamov-Klitschko was awful. Maybe I'm being overly positive, but I think Haye and Fury would have been less cautious and both would have tested each other's whiskers and a KD or two and a KO wouldn't have surprised me. So I disagree, and think it would have been a fun fight.

Fury won two very dominant but fairly careful and boring victories over Johnson and Chisora before Wlad. He lost his head against Cunningham without his uncle in the corner, but that was the exception.

I think him vs Haye at that point would have been a lot of fainting from both, Haye waiting for an opening and Fury not giving him a look in.

I've never watched either since but as I recall Fury threw plenty of leather at Johnson who was still useful and did the same thing he did vs Vitali: fight extremely defensively. In fact, I thought Fury did a better job on Kingkin than Vitali, as KJ opened up a cut on Vitali. Fury didn't do his jerky feint thing against Chisora, who just plodded forward and ate jabs. Haye made Chisora miss much more than Usyk and also knocked him out. Haye's head movement against prime Klitschko, who's jab was better than Fury's at that point, was excellent and so he would have had more opportunity to land rather than be shut out like Dereck, who was never anywhere near as good as Haye. It would have made for a more competitive fight.

It never happened but you've got two of the best British heavyweights of the past ten years who were going to fight so why would you go "oh yeah I ran a stimulation in my imagination and it was absolute dogshit: they just stared at each other and barely threw a punch: it was a draw but neither deserved to win. I hated it"?

You miserable git!

mercman wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 07:07

bennie wrote: ↑07 Apr 2021, 04:20

brilo33 wrote: ↑06 Apr 2021, 14:34 david pearce v frank bruno

Terry Lawless managed British heavyweight champion Neville Meade when Bruno turned pro in 1982 (also with Lawless), so Bruno was steered away from the British title and quickly made it to the fringes of world class with wins over the likes of Scott LeDoux and Jumbo Cummings. By the time Meade lost his British title to Pearce in September 1983, Bruno was too advanced for the British title and the new champion.

Bruno v Banjo was touted at one point.

I wonder how Bruno v Pika would have gone circa 1982? Pika gave Bruno a very tough time in the ABAs a couple of years before but his pro career never really got off the ground. In theory, it should have done as Pika was managed by Duff.