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any time, any place, any money!! king kong will fight anyone! except when he doesnt

you think he himself wouldn't happily take on fury or joshua asap given the possibility?

he's no1 wbo mandatory and first in line in case it get's vacated after how many fights exactly?

what better job could the've done? tell me!

you mean ort? he's ranked 7th in the wbo

or ruiz? he is 4th


i lost track of the convo.....if you mean big joe joyce, damn straight, i think he fight the champs for sure if he got a chance

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 15:47 any time, any place, any money!! king kong will fight anyone! except when he doesnt

Its hard to fight someone on short notice when your peds havent cleared your body yet

good point, maybe bandog shouldve done a better job sucking them out of him

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 15:58 you mean ort? he's ranked 7th in the wbo

or ruiz? he is 4th


i lost track of the convo.....if you mean big joe joyce, damn straight, i think he fight the champs for sure if he got a chance

my mistake. got threads mixed up.

nevertheless. same applies to ortiz. i doubt ortiz is afraid of any man in a ring and 100% convinced to win given fair judgement.

he would've signed to fight joshua in a heartbeat for whatever money if he would've had any say in it.

he should've fired and sued the shit out of the shithead responsible for the 'lowball' farce.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:04

candyslim wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 10:14Did you hear Sam Jones say they weren't ready for Ortiz or did you hear Sanchez claim that's what he said?

Joe Joyce turned pro towards the end of 2017.

And when the 'Juggernaut' was aligned with Al Haymon (January 2019), Sam Jones said that Joe was “95 per cent” likely to face the Cuban later on in the year, but they ended up breaking ties with the PBC, which scuppered those plans.

Abel Sanchez did say, during February 2019, that he thought Joyce needed a couple more fights before facing Louis Ortiz. The Brit had only competed seven times as a pro at that point.

This was around the same date Joe stopped working with Sanchez.

For the record, Abel Sanchez only worked with Joe for three fights, with their working relationship spanning less than seven months.

Thanks EO for clarifying that.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 15:34 He didnt get 1.5 mm for the wilder rematch. He made much more than that.just like wilder made oodles more than 3mm

He made far less than the deal Hearn offered him.

The combined total of Luis Ortiz's guaranteed minimum purses for the Wilder rematch and the Alexander Flores fix/mismatch equated to a paltry $1.75m (i.e. $1.5m + $250,000), which is King Kong’s entire income for a period spanning 2½ years.

Luis Ortiz was offered $7m, coupled with a guaranteed offer to immediately engage in another lucrative big-money bout regardless of whether he won or lost the AJ fight.

But the Cuban rejected Matchroom’s offer, claiming they were being low-balled and that it was simply a gimmick.

The decision that Team Ortiz made probably cost the Cuban in the region of $10m (regardless as to whether he received more than the official $1.5m NSAC purse for the Wilder rematch), but Luis and his die-hard fans continue to live in denial, dishonestly pretending he’s being ducked by all his peers and that AJ is afraid to take the fight.

If you are going to fail a PED test you dont accept a fight on short notice

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 03:42

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 15:34 He didnt get 1.5 mm for the wilder rematch. He made much more than that.just like wilder made oodles more than 3mm

He made far less than the deal Hearn offered him.

The combined total of Luis Ortiz's guaranteed minimum purses for the Wilder rematch and the Alexander Flores fix/mismatch equated to a paltry $1.75m (i.e. $1.5m + $250,000), which is King Kong’s entire income for a period spanning 2½ years.

Luis Ortiz was offered $7m, coupled with a guaranteed offer to immediately engage in another lucrative big-money bout regardless of whether he won or lost the AJ fight.

But the Cuban rejected Matchroom’s offer, claiming they were being low-balled and that it was simply a gimmick.

The decision that Team Ortiz made probably cost the Cuban in the region of $10m (regardless as to whether he received more than the official $1.5m NSAC purse for the Wilder rematch), but Luis and his die-hard fans continue to live in denial, dishonestly pretending he’s being ducked by all his peers and that AJ is afraid to take the fight.

I'm sure Ortiz made much more than the minimum in fights with Wilder. His team did turn dow big money, but with only 30 days notice, its hard to prepare properly for a title fight.
Besides that, I doubt if he trusts Hearn. Matchroom signed Ortiz, thinking he'd get a title shot after being the interim WBA champ for 2 years. At least a fight with Whyte. I think Hearn signed him to keep him away from AJ, who was IBF champ. Don't derail the golden goose!

he, because ortiz looked so great failing to stop malik scott, im sure aj's team were shaking in their boots

Bandog wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 17:06

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 03:42

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 15:34 He didnt get 1.5 mm for the wilder rematch. He made much more than that.just like wilder made oodles more than 3mm

He made far less than the deal Hearn offered him.

The combined total of Luis Ortiz's guaranteed minimum purses for the Wilder rematch and the Alexander Flores fix/mismatch equated to a paltry $1.75m (i.e. $1.5m + $250,000), which is King Kong’s entire income for a period spanning 2½ years.

Luis Ortiz was offered $7m, coupled with a guaranteed offer to immediately engage in another lucrative big-money bout regardless of whether he won or lost the AJ fight.

But the Cuban rejected Matchroom’s offer, claiming they were being low-balled and that it was simply a gimmick.

The decision that Team Ortiz made probably cost the Cuban in the region of $10m (regardless as to whether he received more than the official $1.5m NSAC purse for the Wilder rematch), but Luis and his die-hard fans continue to live in denial, dishonestly pretending he’s being ducked by all his peers and that AJ is afraid to take the fight.

I'm sure Ortiz made much more than the minimum in fights with Wilder. His team did turn dow big money, but with only 30 days notice, its hard to prepare properly for a title fight.
Besides that, I doubt if he trusts Hearn. Matchroom signed Ortiz, thinking he'd get a title shot after being the interim WBA champ for 2 years. At least a fight with Whyte. I think Hearn signed him to keep him away from AJ, who was IBF champ. Don't derail the golden goose!

Have you considered that maybe Hearn wanted to sign Ortiz with the idea he could showcase him to the UK public and build interest and demand for massive fight against Joshua?

If that was the plan (obviously I don't know what Hearn was thinking but any reasonable person would surely conclude, on the basis of Joshua's record, that it's way more likely than a plan created in order for Joshua to avoid fighting anyone, never mind Ortiz) then it pretty soon fell apart due to Ortiz stinking the place out in fights against poor quality opposition (Malik Scott, Dave Allen, was there a third under the Matchroom banner?)

You do make me smile, Bandog: You are prepared to believe on the flimsiest of evidence that Wilder and Ortiz are scared of no man, and their very weak resumes are a result of a combination of circumstances and the whole world ducking them.

On the other hand you find any excuse to denigrate two guys in Joshua and Whyte who have proven time and time again they will fight anybody and will take the odd defeat like a man.

lol, too short notice?

but lou says he'd fight aj any time, any place , any where?

maybe you should consider for a second, banny, that what he says actually isnt true

ya, and he actually called duck on joe joyce from 3 years ago, when joyce had 2 fights


errrvery body ducking ortiz!

yo momma ducking ortiz!

yo nan ducking ortiz!

that little crippled blind girl in the wheelchair ducking ortiz!

Ruiz should either fight someone in the top 10, because that's his level; or he should get a win over someone in the top 20 just to further reinforce that he's top 10. Personally, I'd like to see him fight Joe Joyce.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 14:36 If you are going to fail a PED test you dont accept a fight on short notice

Yes that did spring to mind at the time.

Lackeos wrote: ↑29 Jul 2021, 12:10 Ruiz should either fight someone in the top 10, because that's his level; or he should get a win over someone in the top 20 just to further reinforce that he's top 10. Personally, I'd like to see him fight Joe Joyce.

Heck, Joe Joyce would be entertaining. Tortoise and the Hare.