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lazboy wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 00:34

Kronkpride wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 21:51

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 15:54 Logically, I know Fury wins. I don’t think Wilder barely won a round when he didn’t knock Fury down, and he certainly would have lost at least one of those rounds had that not happened. Still... Punchers make me nervous.

They are both capable guys. I think Fury edged the first fight slightly despite the knock downs but that was a near miracle to get up from that shit that probably blows every other door off at every other time. Fury had to rise like the Undertaker just to get that 2nd fight....that came with a 3rd locked in.

In the rematch Fury said he was coming right at him. Most thought he was lying and Wilder probably did too. He got to Wilder early and Wilder just didn't seem to have much that night for whatever reason. But that was like a German Blitzkrieg. That shit works great the first time when it is a surprise. Wilder will be more prepared for that tactic in the 3rd fight. And I doubt he can come in with less than he seemed to come in for the 2nd.

There is no telling what can happen as if Wilder can connect with a big bomb early in the fight while he has good legs he can end Fury. Fury is a bad man...very durable and the most crafty and skilled guy there is at HW...but Wilder has the goods to smash him nonetheless. His power is the real deal and it is the only thing that has ever came close to beating Fury. Wlad has good power too but not the same league. He has a ton more skill than Wilder but he got hypnotized and never threatened Fury. Wilder almost put him away.

I know people rate the Wlad fights both ways and many prefer the fireworks show in the Joshua fight over the master class boxing lesson Fury gave him but Wlad almost put Joshua away. I think he could have though and needed to go finish him when he had him. Nothing to lose and everything to gain back there....Wlad struck out on tactics but was still very impressive showing his heart there at his elevated age. The Fury fight to me is more impressive. Wlad had won so many rounds and beaten guys almost single handedly at times in a literal sense with his jab. Wlad was a long time dominant master boxer and Fury schooled him to perfection.

I still think Fury vs Wilder is the best fight. All of the top skills in the division are in that ring barring top chin and Joshua is safe to say below both in chin or at least is IMO. Wilder has the top power skill. Fury has the top boxing ability and boxing IQ skills. The skills and IQ won once. The power came so close to winning and kept him his title once. This is not a lopsided series or fight. This is a dangerous and competitive fight and should be one of the great trilogies. Nothing to whine about here at all with this fight.

Fair points. Wilder also has had well over a year to work off the damage the costume did to his body. I'm betting Wilder will never be as good as he was pre-costume but maybe he's had a chance to reverse some of the damage with the time off and with the advanced medical techniques available today.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 01:04

lazboy wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 00:34

Kronkpride wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 21:51

They are both capable guys. I think Fury edged the first fight slightly despite the knock downs but that was a near miracle to get up from that shit that probably blows every other door off at every other time. Fury had to rise like the Undertaker just to get that 2nd fight....that came with a 3rd locked in.

In the rematch Fury said he was coming right at him. Most thought he was lying and Wilder probably did too. He got to Wilder early and Wilder just didn't seem to have much that night for whatever reason. But that was like a German Blitzkrieg. That shit works great the first time when it is a surprise. Wilder will be more prepared for that tactic in the 3rd fight. And I doubt he can come in with less than he seemed to come in for the 2nd.

There is no telling what can happen as if Wilder can connect with a big bomb early in the fight while he has good legs he can end Fury. Fury is a bad man...very durable and the most crafty and skilled guy there is at HW...but Wilder has the goods to smash him nonetheless. His power is the real deal and it is the only thing that has ever came close to beating Fury. Wlad has good power too but not the same league. He has a ton more skill than Wilder but he got hypnotized and never threatened Fury. Wilder almost put him away.

I know people rate the Wlad fights both ways and many prefer the fireworks show in the Joshua fight over the master class boxing lesson Fury gave him but Wlad almost put Joshua away. I think he could have though and needed to go finish him when he had him. Nothing to lose and everything to gain back there....Wlad struck out on tactics but was still very impressive showing his heart there at his elevated age. The Fury fight to me is more impressive. Wlad had won so many rounds and beaten guys almost single handedly at times in a literal sense with his jab. Wlad was a long time dominant master boxer and Fury schooled him to perfection.

I still think Fury vs Wilder is the best fight. All of the top skills in the division are in that ring barring top chin and Joshua is safe to say below both in chin or at least is IMO. Wilder has the top power skill. Fury has the top boxing ability and boxing IQ skills. The skills and IQ won once. The power came so close to winning and kept him his title once. This is not a lopsided series or fight. This is a dangerous and competitive fight and should be one of the great trilogies. Nothing to whine about here at all with this fight.

Fair points. Wilder also has had well over a year to work off the damage the costume did to his body. I'm betting Wilder will never be as good as he was pre-costume but maybe he's had a chance to reverse some of the damage with the time off and with the advanced medical techniques available today.

You folks have now revealed the top reason why this is the best fight to be made now. The lead up is going to be bonkers funny and a thousand times more entertaining than the lead up to Fury vs Joshua could be.

Wilder may be an obnoxious retard but he is great cannon fodder entertainment and comes with the top power punch in the HW division in a long time. So many times he would have lost but the power turned on and turned out the other guys lights. He even turned it on once on Fury to keep his belt. He's only had 1 fight where the power didn't come on and that is totally expected when so much costume damage occurs before the bell even rings. All Wilder needs is that power to turn on for him 2 fights in a row and he is the undisputed HW champion of the world and up in the all time ranks. Let's not write him out of the book yet while he is still on the cusp of all time greatness and carrying the power to get it done.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 02:00 Fury is a master class talker to begin with but this Wilder fight is alley oop city for him. He is going to roast DeOntay mentally in the most hilarious ways leading up to their fight. That shit is going to help sell this too. Lots of USA buys will be happening for this PPV. They are going to rock the lead up and it is going to be a big deal event.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 05:08

Kronkpride wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 02:00 Fury is a master class talker to begin with but this Wilder fight is alley oop city for him. He is going to roast DeOntay mentally in the most hilarious ways leading up to their fight. That shit is going to help sell this too. Lots of USA buys will be happening for this PPV. They are going to rock the lead up and it is going to be a big deal event.

You might be right. And hopefully, for the sake of Fury’s bank balance, I hope you are, because otherwise it’ll be a monumental waste of Tyson’s time.

In my mind though, how do you “sell” a fight between two fighters where the outcome is already a foregone conclusion?

In the eyes of the vast majority of observers, Fury won the first fight. And the rematch was so one-sided, it could only be described as an horrendous mismatch (not that anyone predicted Tyson delivering such a brutal beatdown).

Wilder can’t out-box or out-brawl Fury.

$80 is a lot of money to fork out to patiently wait to see if American’s only hope comes to fruition, whereby he’s on the receiving end of a split-second of luck allowing him to cleanly connect with his lottery-winning right-hand.

If that one lucky punch doesn’t land… and let’s face it, Wilder hasn’t been able to do during almost an hours’ worth of opportunity (spanning two fights), then the likelihood of him ending the fight with a single blow is remote.

squiggy wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 15:50 Yeah, give him 6 or 7 more rematches to work on it and he'll land that big KO blow, god damn it! BOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB SSSSSSSSSSSSSSQQQQQQQQQQUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

The Gratest wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 17:14 Wilder's had 43 fights and has fought exactly the same way in each one, the exceptions being when he boxed a little against the limited Stiverne, and when he was forced on to the back foot, bullied and dominated by Fury. The guy's spent his whole professional career throwing hail mary rights with little or no plan B or noticeable class boxing skills to back it up. That is not going to change within the timeframe of 1 fight, this isn't Rocky getting trained by Apollo, and it certainly isn't going to change in the heat of battle when facing the supposed best 'boxer' in the division. It'll just be revert to type once the pressure is on.
More telling though was Wilder's mental meltdown after the defeat. He was offering excuse after excuse, blaming everyone except himself, seemingly unwilling to even admit that he was the one in the ring getting knocked over and physically dominated. That doesn't come across as someone who's willing to learn as you have to fully accept your own faults before you can then rebuild and better yourself.

I don't take much away from their first fight as it was Fury's first meaningful fight in 5 years and he was operating under a more cautious trainer with a different approach. What I did take away was that, even a less than 100% Fury, can take and recover from a Wilder punch.

Fury showed the blueprint of how to beat Wilder, albeit with a bit of extra help given his massive frame and ability to mentally psych out his opponents.
He now owns Wilder mentally as well as physically and I can see no change to the outcome of a third fight other than a repeat of the second fight.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 17:28

The Gratest wrote: ↑24 May 2021, 17:14 Wilder's had 43 fights and has fought exactly the same way in each one, the exceptions being when he boxed a little against the limited Stiverne, and when he was forced on to the back foot, bullied and dominated by Fury. The guy's spent his whole professional career throwing hail mary rights with little or no plan B or noticeable class boxing skills to back it up. That is not going to change within the timeframe of 1 fight, this isn't Rocky getting trained by Apollo, and it certainly isn't going to change in the heat of battle when facing the supposed best 'boxer' in the division. It'll just be revert to type once the pressure is on.
More telling though was Wilder's mental meltdown after the defeat. He was offering excuse after excuse, blaming everyone except himself, seemingly unwilling to even admit that he was the one in the ring getting knocked over and physically dominated. That doesn't come across as someone who's willing to learn as you have to fully accept your own faults before you can then rebuild and better yourself.

I don't take much away from their first fight as it was Fury's first meaningful fight in 5 years and he was operating under a more cautious trainer with a different approach. What I did take away was that, even a less than 100% Fury, can take and recover from a Wilder punch.

Fury showed the blueprint of how to beat Wilder, albeit with a bit of extra help given his massive frame and ability to mentally psych out his opponents.
He now owns Wilder mentally as well as physically and I can see no change to the outcome of a third fight other than a repeat of the second fight.

I think it is quite easy to get him better prepared. I am not even a professional trainer and I could do it. He needs to be prepared for infighting and how to try and stop that when it happens. His original power punching is most of what he was relying on but he needs much more. He needs be prepared to force tie ups when Fury is right on him and leaning. Every separation is to his benefit and like another chance in the batters box to hit the home run if Fury keeps coming. He needs to have some questionable to dirty tactics ready as well. You have to prepare the mind coming in to be ready to do those things he will have to do if Fury tries to repeat fight #2. This is do or die. I want you ready to put this b*tch on the canvas early via hitting him square in the balls if he is trying to bully you. Points aint shit to Wilder as he is going to need the stoppage. Everything is on the table to stop any Fury attempt of bullying him early. Whatever it takes whether it is legal or not, get ready to do it to stop the blitz.

I think it is impossible he can enter this bout without being more prepared and all out Fury attack coming at him.