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Floyd's worst fights were close decisions. Manny's worst were KO By.

Clearly Floyd.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 19:03

Cent0089 wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 14:46

SenorPipino wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 14:20 Mayweather.
He went unbeaten in 50 fights. Pacquiao has lost 7 heading into tonight.
And, oh yes: in a head to head matchup Mayweather handcuffed and outboxed Pacquiao over 12 rounds.
Is it really a serious debate?
I can't imagine Marquez ever giving Mayweather hell in the ring and putting him to sleep with 1 punch. When they did fight, Marquez was barely able to land 1 punch on the super slick Mayweather.

Well if you wanna compare oponents, Cotto gave Mayweather problems and Pacquiao just slaughtered him. Plus he delivered much more beating to Mosley. Pacquiao leading the poll, but who knows how today fight will go. Ugas is real deal.

Folks vote for Pacquiao because he's more cuddly than Mayweather. Not because they really think that he's better.
Mayweather's superiority was proven in 2015. Hard to understand why folks would debate it.

You're not getting off so easy!!! Where the heck have you been????

Floyd might have been able to beat manny every time they fought , but the term is all time great, and I say manny is greater, first of all manny is smaller than floyd, manny consistently fought people actually larger than himself, but his greatness tracends this.

It' is many passion for fighting the zest that he does it that makes him great to go with he represents the poor of the whole developing world by who he is so Floyd may or not mabye be better but not greater.

Once I was watching manny fight and I thought this guy is born to do this "boxing"

By the time they fought that fight was way past its due date and manny way past his prime the fight proved something but not everything...

victor-romeo wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 20:51 Floyd might have been able to beat manny every time they fought , but the term is all time great, and I say manny is greater, first of all manny is smaller than floyd, manny consistently fought people actually larger than himself, but his greatness tracends this.

It' is many passion for fighting the zest that he does it that makes him great to go with he represents the poor of the whole developing world by who he is so Floyd may or not mabye be better but not greater.

Once I was watching manny fight and I thought this guy is born to do this "boxing"

By the time they fought that fight was way past its due date and manny way past his prime the fight proved something but not everything...

This is complete BS when people say the fight was past it’s prime. Floyd is was and always will be OLDER THAN MAYWEATHER and even pacroid apologists know that.

Pacroid will FOREVER be tainted for having the entire boxing world realize he was on roids we all saw the email and anyone here pretending they didn’t loses all credibility.

Mayweather humiliates Pacroid head to head absolutely humiliated almost as much as he humiliated Canelo and anyone down playing either fight is a bitter pathetic miserable loser who most likely hates Floyd simply because he is Black and everyone knows it. You are not a factor im sports or boxing opinions whatsoever in fact you are trash human beings who will always be a non fukn factor!

All$In wrote: ↑22 Aug 2021, 08:53

victor-romeo wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 20:51 Floyd might have been able to beat manny every time they fought , but the term is all time great, and I say manny is greater, first of all manny is smaller than floyd, manny consistently fought people actually larger than himself, but his greatness tracends this.

It' is many passion for fighting the zest that he does it that makes him great to go with he represents the poor of the whole developing world by who he is so Floyd may or not mabye be better but not greater.

Once I was watching manny fight and I thought this guy is born to do this "boxing"

By the time they fought that fight was way past its due date and manny way past his prime the fight proved something but not everything...

This is complete BS when people say the fight was past it’s prime. Floyd is was and always will be OLDER THAN MAYWEATHER and even pacroid apologists know that.

Pacroid will FOREVER be tainted for having the entire boxing world realize he was on roids we all saw the email and anyone here pretending they didn’t loses all credibility.

Mayweather humiliates Pacroid head to head absolutely humiliated almost as much as he humiliated Canelo and anyone down playing either fight is a bitter pathetic miserable loser who most likely hates Floyd simply because he is Black and everyone knows it. You are not a factor im sports or boxing opinions whatsoever in fact you are trash human beings who will always be a non fukn factor!

Huh Pacroid ...who is your favorite fighter ?

All$In wrote: ↑22 Aug 2021, 08:53

victor-romeo wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 20:51 Floyd might have been able to beat manny every time they fought , but the term is all time great, and I say manny is greater, first of all manny is smaller than floyd, manny consistently fought people actually larger than himself, but his greatness tracends this.

It' is many passion for fighting the zest that he does it that makes him great to go with he represents the poor of the whole developing world by who he is so Floyd may or not mabye be better but not greater.

Once I was watching manny fight and I thought this guy is born to do this "boxing"

By the time they fought that fight was way past its due date and manny way past his prime the fight proved something but not everything...

This is complete BS when people say the fight was past it’s prime. Floyd is was and always will be OLDER THAN MAYWEATHER and even pacroid apologists know that.

Pacroid will FOREVER be tainted for having the entire boxing world realize he was on roids we all saw the email and anyone here pretending they didn’t loses all credibility.

Mayweather humiliates Pacroid head to head absolutely humiliated almost as much as he humiliated Canelo and anyone down playing either fight is a bitter pathetic miserable loser who most likely hates Floyd simply because he is Black and everyone knows it. You are not a factor im sports or boxing opinions whatsoever in fact you are trash human beings who will always be a non fukn factor!

Pacroid is brilliant did you come up with that by yourself? How do you feel about "fraud gayweather as an insult to floyd?

JMM never happened to PBF, PBF beat Canelo too

For me it's not even close

Manny’s loss to Ugas rates higher than FMJ’s Ws over a UFC fighter, a YouTube influencer, and whatever that dude was from Japan, combined.

Pacquiao by a mile.

I'm reminded of the Hagler-Hearns-Duran-Leonard or Hopkins-Jones-Toney dilemma, where I'd argue that even though Duran lost to Hagler, Hearns and Leonard that he was the superior all-time great, or argue that even though Toney and Hopkins lost to Jones that they accomplished more than he did.

Manny Pacquiao accomplished more than Floyd Mayweather. Pacquiao had greater longevity than Floyd Mayweather. Pacquiao was arguably a bigger star than Floyd Mayweather at one point.

And regardless of what anyone says the super fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao did come too late. It should have happened 4-5 years earlier. Maybe Floyd would have always beat Manny because he was a nightmare stylistically, but it's hard to say how Floyd Mayweather is better than Manny Pacquiao in terms of accomplishments.

floyd beat pac head to head

i know it's not just about head to head. so take out that, and they have a similar level of opposition they beat, but floyd did it with much fewer problems....generally winning more comfortable and also not taking several losses

manny was much more entertaining and i'll remember his fights more, but in terms of ability and career success, floyd advantage

It's Mayweather all the way. The poll leans a bit towards Pac now, because Pac is still active and his fans are here.

It's Floyd both head-to-head and by their resumes. And, of course, with such head-to-head display they actually had, it's the most crucial factor.

Resumes also speak for Floyd, as he won their most defining common opponents more convincingly. Pac by some opinions lost the Marquez rivalry not only because of the KO in the final bout. He went life-and-death againt Marquez every time. Mayweather schooled Marquez.

Pac have some names, which Mayweather doesn't, like Barrera, Morales, Bradley and Thurman, but Mayweather has Canelo, Coralles, Castillo, Maidana and Judah. Also, Mayweather won fresher Oscar and Hatton.

Again, even if it's possible to bring some argument on the resumes, then there comes a head-to-head bout, where Pac was simply outclassed.

Pac was a more entertaining fighter.

Mayweather was a greater boxer.

victor-romeo wrote: ↑21 Aug 2021, 20:51 Floyd might have been able to beat manny every time they fought , but the term is all time great, and I say manny is greater, first of all manny is smaller than floyd, manny consistently fought people actually larger than himself, but his greatness tracends this.

It' is many passion for fighting the zest that he does it that makes him great to go with he represents the poor of the whole developing world by who he is so Floyd may or not mabye be better but not greater.

Once I was watching manny fight and I thought this guy is born to do this "boxing"

By the time they fought that fight was way past its due date and manny way past his prime the fight proved something but not everything...

More losses, more controversial decision wins, more catchweights, regular refusal to undergo random blood based drug testing, employing a certified PED pushing coach, excuse cited after every loss or poor performance etc.

Also, Manny was comprehensively outboxed by Mayweather Jr.

Pacquiao knew how to play the media and adopted a happy-go-lucky smiling likeable persona, but isn’t that what tax dodging homophobic fraudulent politicians do… they know how to deceive the mainstream masses in order to attract votes and get their own way?

You ask Floyd fans for his greatest night they usually say something like Gatti or Corrales

Pacquiao has legit GOAT credentials, a guy who's prime wins are Gatti & the finished his career fighting youtubers doesn't feature in the conversation.

Tbf to Floyd though, commercially he might be the greatest, he's the McDonald's, Pacman is the fillet steak.

It's a common misconception that Floyd is bigger than Pacquiao, in fact they are naturally damn near the same size. Floyd is slightly taller with a reach advantage, but that doesn't mean he's the naturally bigger/heavier fighter. Pacquaio started fighting professionally at the age of 16 at 116 lbs. Floyd as a 16 year old was fighting in the amateurs at 116 lbs.

The main difference is, Floyd gradually moved up in weight as a professional, Pacquaio moved up in weight more rapidly and basically went from being a lightweight to a welterweight over night, although Pacquaio did gradually go through the lower weight divisions.

Both of them fought naturally bigger guys throughout their careers, especially later in their careers. They were honestly both best suited for 140 lbs. But the marquee fights were at 147 so that's were they campaigned.

Honestly though, Floyd's wins over Alvarez, DLH and Cotto at 154 were better achievements than anything Pacquaio achieved north of 135 lbs.

I think they're both ATG fighters, but I feel with Floyd's undefeated record and the names he has on his record along with being undefeated is hard to dispute against. Considering Pacquaio has multiple losses and some by KO, doesn't help Pacquaiod case at all. Floyd also has the head 2 head win. I feel Floyd gets the clear nod for having the greater career and should be ranked above Pacquaio in a ATG sense.

Unfortunately Manny fought Floyd after the Marquez loss. If it would have been before maybe Manny could have beaten Floyd cause he wasn't the same fighter after the KO. I rate Floyd higher I saw him beat Manny pretty clearly.

it doesn't seem as though the Floyd vs Pac debate has been given enough time or space on internet forums, thus far.

I definitely think it would be productive if lots of people come on here and make the same points they have been making for nearly a decade.

I think that is very likely to progress the issue and allow people to arrive at a once and for all conclusion, after which, I doubt any of us will hear the subject being raised ever again.

Manny had great, close fights with Marquez, Barrera, Morales.
We saw how Floyd outclassed Marquez. And he decisiond Pacquiao, which is the main thing.

Pac looked great for a few years. From when he moved to lightweight and blasted Diaz, through to beating de la Hoya, hatton, cotto, clottey & Margarito.
Seemed to slow down a bit after that, beating Mosley, "losing" to Bradley, "beating" Marquez, and getting ko'd by Marquez.

Whilst Floyd was dominant his whole career.

fanman wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 12:22 Manny had great, close fights with Marquez, Barrera, Morales.
We saw how Floyd outclassed Marquez. And he decisiond Pacquiao, which is the main thing.

Pac looked great for a few years. From when he moved to lightweight and blasted Diaz, through to beating de la Hoya, hatton, cotto, clottey & Margarito.
Seemed to slow down a bit after that, beating Mosley, "losing" to Bradley, "beating" Marquez, and getting ko'd by Marquez.

Whilst Floyd was dominant his whole career.

manny didnt have close fights with barrera, otherwise agree

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 10:50 it doesn't seem as though the Floyd vs Pac debate has been given enough time or space on internet forums, thus far.

I definitely think it would be productive if lots of people come on here and make the same points they have been making for nearly a decade.

I think that is very likely to progress the issue and allow people to arrive at a once and for all conclusion, after which, I doubt any of us will hear the subject being raised ever again.

Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.

Nothing more needs to be said!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 03:25 more controversial decision wins

...two, right? That's all I can think of. And it's easy to name two controversial decision losses that he took as well.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑23 Aug 2021, 10:50 it doesn't seem as though the Floyd vs Pac debate has been given enough time or space on internet forums, thus far.

I definitely think it would be productive if lots of people come on here and make the same points they have been making for nearly a decade.

I think that is very likely to progress the issue and allow people to arrive at a once and for all conclusion, after which, I doubt any of us will hear the subject being raised ever again.

Floyd beat Manny and so did 7 other people
Nobody beat Floyd.
So despite Floyd being annoying sometimes he is way ahead of Paq in ATG.
The revisionist history among boxing fans is amazing.

Vitali didn't beat Lennox either. lol

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