Saunders: I'm Not Really Worried If I Box Again; Maybe One More for the Fans

[Fearful_Freddie]

This is the guy BJS was supposed to have been fighting with

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/ ... d-17288179

The self proclaimed 'King of Nuneaton' christ on a bike, what a helmet.

Seems a nice lad...

[margaret thatcher]

and one of the other dunne bois pulled the trademark roofing scam

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... gh-jailed/

[Counter-puncher]

Why do travellers have so many feuds amongst themselves? Genuine question.

the feuding culture is historically common among many isolated communities (i'm thinking of the mountain communities in say Sicily or Albania or Crete for example) where the rule of law is inconsistent. In the case of travellers in this country and nowadays, perhaps the isolation is self-imposed but it's a similar mentality I imagine. the cultural history of wider law & order not exactly applying (for various reasons) meaning that the default becomes to sort problems out in-house.

also it's a very insular community which = lots of chance for people treading on each others toes and built-up resentments, lots of chance of 'he said she said' chinese whispers escalating an argument into a BEEF, lots of people trying to get their fingers into the same kinds of pies. Also with the family culture and everyone is someone's second cousin, so there's high chance of conflict escalating further once it develops because of the alliances that are built up and everyone getting involved.

just my 2p

[Cyclops]

and one of the other dunne bois pulled the trademark roofing scam

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... gh-jailed/

We're taught in this day and age not to stereotype but only an idiot would let Travellers do their roof. Amazing how so many of them are at it with absolutely zero clue whatsoever, just happily doing thousands of pounds worth of damage. Why don't they just... Learn how to do it and do a good job?

I wouldn't be surprised if this BJS story is mostly a load of old pish. What was the old man saying, that his son knocked BJS down three times? Probably once, if at all. 30 men? Make that 10. Or make it 3. There was a knife! There was a gun! On my mother's life he wasn't a man he was a South African Gorilla! Confabulation is culturally ingrained in the traveller community. Maybe something to do with a tradition of storytelling rather than writing stuff down?

[Cyclops]

Why do travellers have so many feuds amongst themselves? Genuine question.

the feuding culture is historically common among many isolated communities (i'm thinking of the mountain communities in say Sicily or Albania or Crete for example) where the rule of law is inconsistent. In the case of travellers in this country and nowadays, perhaps the isolation is self-imposed but it's a similar mentality I imagine. the cultural history of wider law & order not exactly applying (for various reasons) meaning that the default becomes to sort problems out in-house.

also it's a very insular community which = lots of chance for people treading on each others toes and built-up resentments, lots of chance of 'he said she said' chinese whispers escalating an argument into a BEEF, lots of people trying to get their fingers into the same kinds of pies. Also with the family culture and everyone is someone's second cousin, so there's high chance of conflict escalating further once it develops because of the alliances that are built up and everyone getting involved.

just my 2p

The Corsicans have a tradition of 'vendettas'. I went there and it was dead beautiful but you could buy some absolutely mental weapons just normally in a shop. Knives seemed to be very much normal. I did a bit of research:
"The Corsican code of honour demanded that the men of the family had to repay insults and murders in blood. Causes of vendetta could be as serious as a killing or as trivial as a goat straying into someone else’s vegetable patch. Since the rival family reciprocated, the result was a vicious spiral of violence and murder that often continued for generations. The family kept the blood-stained shirt of the vendetta victim until they had avenged his death. Meanwhile, the men abstained from cutting their hair or shaving until they had taken revenge." https://vanessacouchmanwriter.com/2016/ ... d-reality/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendetta_knife

[Wee Tommy]

It’s a lack of decent education and solid role models. This Dunne looks about 50 and he’s behaving like all the others do at 15. Same as the Stokes, the Joyce’s, etc etc. it’s hilarious but also quite sad.

[Counter-puncher]

Why do travellers have so many feuds amongst themselves? Genuine question.

the feuding culture is historically common among many isolated communities (i'm thinking of the mountain communities in say Sicily or Albania or Crete for example) where the rule of law is inconsistent. In the case of travellers in this country and nowadays, perhaps the isolation is self-imposed but it's a similar mentality I imagine. the cultural history of wider law & order not exactly applying (for various reasons) meaning that the default becomes to sort problems out in-house.

also it's a very insular community which = lots of chance for people treading on each others toes and built-up resentments, lots of chance of 'he said she said' chinese whispers escalating an argument into a BEEF, lots of people trying to get their fingers into the same kinds of pies. Also with the family culture and everyone is someone's second cousin, so there's high chance of conflict escalating further once it develops because of the alliances that are built up and everyone getting involved.

just my 2p

The Corsicans have a tradition of 'vendettas'. I went there and it was dead beautiful but you could buy some absolutely mental weapons just normally in a shop. Knives seemed to be very much normal. I did a bit of research:
"The Corsican code of honour demanded that the men of the family had to repay insults and murders in blood. Causes of vendetta could be as serious as a killing or as trivial as a goat straying into someone else’s vegetable patch. Since the rival family reciprocated, the result was a vicious spiral of violence and murder that often continued for generations. The family kept the blood-stained shirt of the vendetta victim until they had avenged his death. Meanwhile, the men abstained from cutting their hair or shaving until they had taken revenge." https://vanessacouchmanwriter.com/2016/ ... d-reality/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendetta_knife

yeah Corsica, various Balkan places, anywhere relatively isolated often and/or mountainous

Corsica Sicily Sardinia Crete all have vendetta cultures, they are all similar in the sense that they were (going back centuries) generally 'ruled' by relatively faraway polities like Venice/Spain/Muslims (before Italy or Greece was even a nation), so whatever authority there was, was very remote and hands-off. thus the locals tend to 'sort it out for themselves'

[margaret thatcher]

isnt this the whole 'culture of honour' thingy

[jamesmcdonnell]

Why do travellers have so many feuds amongst themselves? Genuine question.

the feuding culture is historically common among many isolated communities (i'm thinking of the mountain communities in say Sicily or Albania or Crete for example) where the rule of law is inconsistent. In the case of travellers in this country and nowadays, perhaps the isolation is self-imposed but it's a similar mentality I imagine. the cultural history of wider law & order not exactly applying (for various reasons) meaning that the default becomes to sort problems out in-house.

also it's a very insular community which = lots of chance for people treading on each others toes and built-up resentments, lots of chance of 'he said she said' chinese whispers escalating an argument into a BEEF, lots of people trying to get their fingers into the same kinds of pies. Also with the family culture and everyone is someone's second cousin, so there's high chance of conflict escalating further once it develops because of the alliances that are built up and everyone getting involved.

just my 2p

The Corsicans have a tradition of 'vendettas'. I went there and it was dead beautiful but you could buy some absolutely mental weapons just normally in a shop. Knives seemed to be very much normal. I did a bit of research:
"The Corsican code of honour demanded that the men of the family had to repay insults and murders in blood. Causes of vendetta could be as serious as a killing or as trivial as a goat straying into someone else’s vegetable patch. Since the rival family reciprocated, the result was a vicious spiral of violence and murder that often continued for generations. The family kept the blood-stained shirt of the vendetta victim until they had avenged his death. Meanwhile, the men abstained from cutting their hair or shaving until they had taken revenge." https://vanessacouchmanwriter.com/2016/ ... d-reality/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendetta_knife

I went to Madeira some years back, a friend of mine owned a place there, in a little village, away from the tourist crowds.

He warned me when I went, not to look at anybody's girlfriend more than in passing, as the men were insanely jealous, and most of them carried cuthroat razors in their back pockets or around their neck on a leather string and would happily slash you if they felt you had insulted them by looking at their girlfriend.

He also told me a story about a guy who had slept with one of the locals daughter, and had apparently forced himself on her. Or so she told the father.

As it was a small community, everybody knew everybody else, but I guess the guy had no idea what had been said. He was invited by the girls father and a friend to go and collect Seagull eggs from the cliffs (which was a common practice), once they got him up there, they pushed him onto the rocks below.

Everybody knew what had happened, including the local police, but nothing was investigated, and life continued as normal.

[Counter-puncher]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud#/med ... Greece.jpg

yeah and in the real fueding centres they end up building places like this specifically for defence, as it's so common for feuding families to get their houses burned out and whatever.

there is a very long digression to be made here (just haven't got time to do it), about there being similar attitudes in places in the USA like the mountains of west virginia/ Tennessee/ Missouri, where the 'scots-Irish' originally settled, no rule of law and plenty of external threat with natives etc, closely knit but competitive local communities who often fall out over scarce resources/ land/ women/ etc, leading to both a feduing culture and an ingrained insularity, which attitudes have permeated wider US culture to become generalised as 'Hillbilly' attitudes, and, yeah, that.

[Counter-puncher]

and of course the daddies of all feud culture, the Pashtuns of Pakistan and Afghanistan, where their Pashtunwali code literally enshrines the blood feud as part of their common law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunwali

Hospitality
Asylum
Vengeance

[Fray Bentos]

the feuding culture is historically common among many isolated communities (i'm thinking of the mountain communities in say Sicily or Albania or Crete for example) where the rule of law is inconsistent. In the case of travellers in this country and nowadays, perhaps the isolation is self-imposed but it's a similar mentality I imagine. the cultural history of wider law & order not exactly applying (for various reasons) meaning that the default becomes to sort problems out in-house.

also it's a very insular community which = lots of chance for people treading on each others toes and built-up resentments, lots of chance of 'he said she said' chinese whispers escalating an argument into a BEEF, lots of people trying to get their fingers into the same kinds of pies. Also with the family culture and everyone is someone's second cousin, so there's high chance of conflict escalating further once it develops because of the alliances that are built up and everyone getting involved.

just my 2p

The Corsicans have a tradition of 'vendettas'. I went there and it was dead beautiful but you could buy some absolutely mental weapons just normally in a shop. Knives seemed to be very much normal. I did a bit of research:
"The Corsican code of honour demanded that the men of the family had to repay insults and murders in blood. Causes of vendetta could be as serious as a killing or as trivial as a goat straying into someone else’s vegetable patch. Since the rival family reciprocated, the result was a vicious spiral of violence and murder that often continued for generations. The family kept the blood-stained shirt of the vendetta victim until they had avenged his death. Meanwhile, the men abstained from cutting their hair or shaving until they had taken revenge." https://vanessacouchmanwriter.com/2016/ ... d-reality/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendetta_knife

I went to Madeira some years back, a friend of mine owned a place there, in a little village, away from the tourist crowds.

He warned me when I went, not to look at anybody's girlfriend more than in passing, as the men were insanely jealous, and most of them carried cuthroat razors in their back pockets or around their neck on a leather string and would happily slash you if they felt you had insulted them by looking at their girlfriend.

He also told me a story about a guy who had slept with one of the locals daughter, and had apparently forced himself on her. Or so she told the father.

As it was a small community, everybody knew everybody else, but I guess the guy had no idea what had been said. He was invited by the girls father and a friend to go and collect Seagull eggs from the cliffs (which was a common practice), once they got him up there, they pushed him onto the rocks below.

Everybody knew what had happened, including the local police, but nothing was investigated, and life continued as normal.

Used to be like that in the Canary Islands - well up until the 1990's at least, I don't know about now but 'turistas' weren't going around with the local women without getting into a lot of bother.

[high tower 1]

Ireland can be like that to a less extreme degree. Especially around the border regions , bandit country etc. All big families , many heavily into smuggling , all hate the neighbouring village.

[Wee Tommy]

The Corsicans have a tradition of 'vendettas'. I went there and it was dead beautiful but you could buy some absolutely mental weapons just normally in a shop. Knives seemed to be very much normal. I did a bit of research:
"The Corsican code of honour demanded that the men of the family had to repay insults and murders in blood. Causes of vendetta could be as serious as a killing or as trivial as a goat straying into someone else’s vegetable patch. Since the rival family reciprocated, the result was a vicious spiral of violence and murder that often continued for generations. The family kept the blood-stained shirt of the vendetta victim until they had avenged his death. Meanwhile, the men abstained from cutting their hair or shaving until they had taken revenge." https://vanessacouchmanwriter.com/2016/ ... d-reality/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendetta_knife

I went to Madeira some years back, a friend of mine owned a place there, in a little village, away from the tourist crowds.

He warned me when I went, not to look at anybody's girlfriend more than in passing, as the men were insanely jealous, and most of them carried cuthroat razors in their back pockets or around their neck on a leather string and would happily slash you if they felt you had insulted them by looking at their girlfriend.

He also told me a story about a guy who had slept with one of the locals daughter, and had apparently forced himself on her. Or so she told the father.

As it was a small community, everybody knew everybody else, but I guess the guy had no idea what had been said. He was invited by the girls father and a friend to go and collect Seagull eggs from the cliffs (which was a common practice), once they got him up there, they pushed him onto the rocks below.

Everybody knew what had happened, including the local police, but nothing was investigated, and life continued as normal.

Used to be like that in the Canary Islands - well up until the 1990's at least, I don't know about now but 'turistas' weren't going around with the local women without getting into a lot of bother.

On the other side of the island from the resorts in and around Santa Cruz it’s still the same. I’ve been told the prison there is very hard for foreigners also.

[tonyevs]

The `feud` thing, and reference to isolated communities just doesnt ring true when discussing the Traveller/Gypsey community. They may typically live on a council owned traveller site .. but most often in accommodation that looks more like a traditional house than a caravan in often built up areas; they fully integrate in claiming any government support health/education/financial; those employed work in the wider community.

You cannot call them an isolated community at all.

Whilst I have only worked alongside one person who identified himself as from the Traveller community; he was a great fella in all aspects. Whilst we would not discuss in too much detail some of the lesser savoury characters from the site he managed that would typically get referred to as your `typical traveller` ... he simply referred to them as idiots from idiot families in much the same way I would refer to idiots from idiot families from the local council estate I grew up.

[Counter-puncher]

The `feud` thing, and reference to isolated communities just doesnt ring true when discussing the Traveller/Gypsey community. They may typically live on a council owned traveller site .. but most often in accommodation that looks more like a traditional house than a caravan in often built up areas; they fully integrate in claiming any government support health/education/financial; those employed work in the wider community.

You cannot call them an isolated community at all.

Whilst I have only worked alongside one person who identified himself as from the Traveller community; he was a great fella in all aspects. Whilst we would not discuss in too much detail some of the lesser savoury characters from the site he managed that would typically get referred to as your `typical traveller` ... he simply referred to them as idiots from idiot families in much the same way I would refer to idiots from idiot families from the local council estate I grew up.

I’m talking about self-isolation culturally, now, more than physical isolation- though the many travelers on sites have that as well- but the fact that they intermingle almost exclusively and intermarry almost exclusively within their own community means a significant degree of cultural isolation (sense of ‘apartness’) in my view. Also fair to say that the current generation will have inherited attitudes from older generations who were more physically isolated as well. And as it is such an insular culture those attitudes can persevere even when some of the conditions that lead to them no longer apply.

Also it should be added that given then profusion of at-best grey economy transactions between travellers- and I’m perhaps being generous here- there is an obvious incentive for ‘sorting problems amongst ourselves’ and an obvious disincentive for going to authorities. Hence feuds. Albeit doubtless many also seem to be about what would seem to be trivial insults etc. But then very insular cultures often do have that kind of ridiculously touchy over inflated sense of honour and insult. Read the accounts of peoples from similar situations many hundreds or thousands of miles apart, Albanians or Georgians or Corsicans, and they share such similar traits and cultures it is eerie. Obviously traveller culture isn’t such an extreme situation of isolation historically as say the Pathans or whatever other mountain/island culture I refer to, but the continuities are striking.

[KiwiRider]

and one of the other dunne bois pulled the trademark roofing scam

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... gh-jailed/

We're taught in this day and age not to stereotype but only an idiot would let Travellers do their roof. Amazing how so many of them are at it with absolutely zero clue whatsoever, just happily doing thousands of pounds worth of damage. Why don't they just... Learn how to do it and do a good job?

I wouldn't be surprised if this BJS story is mostly a load of old pish. What was the old man saying, that his son knocked BJS down three times? Probably once, if at all. 30 men? Make that 10. Or make it 3. There was a knife! There was a gun! On my mother's life he wasn't a man he was a South African Gorilla! Confabulation is culturally ingrained in the traveller community. Maybe something to do with a tradition of storytelling rather than writing stuff down?

We had a bunch come all the way to NZ on holidays and pull exactly the same scam. Deported the lot of them.

[JamesPhilips]

and one of the other dunne bois pulled the trademark roofing scam

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... gh-jailed/

We're taught in this day and age not to stereotype but only an idiot would let Travellers do their roof. Amazing how so many of them are at it with absolutely zero clue whatsoever, just happily doing thousands of pounds worth of damage. Why don't they just... Learn how to do it and do a good job?

I wouldn't be surprised if this BJS story is mostly a load of old pish. What was the old man saying, that his son knocked BJS down three times? Probably once, if at all. 30 men? Make that 10. Or make it 3. There was a knife! There was a gun! On my mother's life he wasn't a man he was a South African Gorilla! Confabulation is culturally ingrained in the traveller community. Maybe something to do with a tradition of storytelling rather than writing stuff down?

We had a bunch come all the way to NZ on holidays and pull exactly the same scam. Deported the lot of them.

Lol i read about that

[Counter-puncher]

and one of the other dunne bois pulled the trademark roofing scam

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... gh-jailed/

We're taught in this day and age not to stereotype but only an idiot would let Travellers do their roof. Amazing how so many of them are at it with absolutely zero clue whatsoever, just happily doing thousands of pounds worth of damage. Why don't they just... Learn how to do it and do a good job?

I wouldn't be surprised if this BJS story is mostly a load of old pish. What was the old man saying, that his son knocked BJS down three times? Probably once, if at all. 30 men? Make that 10. Or make it 3. There was a knife! There was a gun! On my mother's life he wasn't a man he was a South African Gorilla! Confabulation is culturally ingrained in the traveller community. Maybe something to do with a tradition of storytelling rather than writing stuff down?

We had a bunch come all the way to NZ on holidays and pull exactly the same scam. Deported the lot of them.

A shame. It would be nice to imagine them locked up, surrounded by a few hundred massive Samoan crims

[KiwiRider]

We're taught in this day and age not to stereotype but only an idiot would let Travellers do their roof. Amazing how so many of them are at it with absolutely zero clue whatsoever, just happily doing thousands of pounds worth of damage. Why don't they just... Learn how to do it and do a good job?

I wouldn't be surprised if this BJS story is mostly a load of old pish. What was the old man saying, that his son knocked BJS down three times? Probably once, if at all. 30 men? Make that 10. Or make it 3. There was a knife! There was a gun! On my mother's life he wasn't a man he was a South African Gorilla! Confabulation is culturally ingrained in the traveller community. Maybe something to do with a tradition of storytelling rather than writing stuff down?

We had a bunch come all the way to NZ on holidays and pull exactly the same scam. Deported the lot of them.

Lol i read about that

Two were locked up for a wee while until they could get put on a flight home. Let's just hope there was a nice burly Tongan on cavity searching with forearms as thick as our thighs (its a thing)

[coneye]

We had a bunch come all the way to NZ on holidays and pull exactly the same scam. Deported the lot of them.

Lol i read about that

Two were locked up for a wee while until they could get put on a flight home. Let's just hope there was a nice burly Tongan on cavity searching with forearms as thick as our thighs (its a thing)

Read this and laughed , could'nt help but think about a few of my Samoan and Tongan mates , with fingers the size or rugby balls hands like basketballs , saying ,, boond over bro ,

[Grilling Machine]

Wharton.

The self proclaimed 'King of Nuneaton' christ on a bike, what a helmet.

I don't know if you've seen Women in Love...

[handsofstone]

My Mrs comes from travelling stock and although she had a pretty conventional upbringing a lot of her cousins and distant relations are still ingrained in that way of life, like all families there's a few unsavoury characters but I still couldn't imagine any of them filming themselves threatening people and grassing on them

[TheLeprechaun]

It's not easy when you're in their position. Imagine the stick that a traveler would get if they went to college and went in to work in an office. It would be a constant uphill struggle and people would be talking about them behind their backs and so on. I wouldn't want that for my kids if I was a traveler. It's a tough upbringing on a halting site. If you bring people up in that kind of environment then its going to be difficult for them to be any better than that. I hate seeing the kids in those videos while their parents/brothers act like idiots. They are learning that behavior. I'd like to see attitudes of travelers change. In Ireland all of the people casually use derogatory terms towards travelers and when you're faced with a society like that who looks down on them, then I have a great deal of sympathy for them. Privileged people sit there and criticize them but they are the same people who casually use derogatory terms to describe them and would be making comments behind their backs and who knows what else if they tried to improve.

[Counter-puncher]

It's not easy when you're in their position. Imagine the stick that a traveler would get if they went to college and went in to work in an office.

do you mean from fellow office workers or students*? honestly i think a traveller doing a degree would get more stick from his own family than his fellow students- unless that's what you mean?


* us people who work in offices or went to Unis tend to get used to seeing all sorts of folk around