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Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 17:11 Joshua's resume had more depth than Fury or Wilder. People are severely underrating Usyk beating him.

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 17:13

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 17:11 Joshua's resume had more depth than Fury or Wilder. People are severely underrating Usyk beating him.

It does have depth, but nothing top level except the win over the aged Wlad.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 17:21 josh's resume doesnt have wins as good as fury's best

though he has more depth thaan fury and wilder, and better wins than wilder too

wlad
povetkin
whyte
parker
pulev
ruiz
takam
martin
brezeale (prob the #3 guy wilder's beaten, afte bermy and ort)

mcrow24 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 11:45

bobcatbox wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 10:55 Can we not underrate him either? He ended WK’s reign as champ and defeated Wilder twice, taking his best shots in the process.

Still many good things to come I hope.

Anyone that states he's not the best Heavyweight right now is a fool. There's only one fighter that's a legit threat at the moment and he's a cruiserweight moving up and would be a huge size disadvantage. He may be a better boxer, but unless he beats Fury I don't see how you can call him the #1 heavyweight.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:15 Hi Henry
I thought Whyte was a good win. I rewatched that a couple of weeks ago. They were both really going for it, pretty exciting stuff.
People might say that was just a domestic level title fight, but I think it was beyond that. A real big fella fire fight. If only Joshua was that spiteful now.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 20:47

mcrow24 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 11:45

bobcatbox wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 10:55 Can we not underrate him either? He ended WK’s reign as champ and defeated Wilder twice, taking his best shots in the process.

Still many good things to come I hope.

Anyone that states he's not the best Heavyweight right now is a fool. There's only one fighter that's a legit threat at the moment and he's a cruiserweight moving up and would be a huge size disadvantage. He may be a better boxer, but unless he beats Fury I don't see how you can call him the #1 heavyweight.

I think Fury thumps him to be honest. Usyk too small, and Fury is a far superior boxer to Joshua. I think he’d thump Ruiz too. Only heavy alive with a decent odds on chance of beating him was Wilder and that’s because he had the power to vanquish him. Fury is iron chinned and refuses to lose though.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:08 Beating your mandatories means nothing. We don't remember Joe Louis, for example, for beating mandatories like Johnny Paycheck. We remember him for the wins that actually meant something.

Povetkin= For all intents and purposes was 40 years old

Parker= Very boring tactical fight where the referee was clearly favoring Joshua

Takam= A decent/good opponent although he already lost three times previously and it still took Joshua ten rounds to put away 6'1" 235 Takam (Joshua 6'6" and 254 that night)

Klitschko= Older, slower, inactive version who made Joshua fight life and death

Molina= To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher (forum member) the man was garbage having previously been kayoed in one round by an ancient Chris Arreola

Breazeale= Another garbage man who beating guys like Billy Zumbrun two years prior to the Joshua fight

Martin= Universally recognized by most boxing fans and critics and historians as arguably the worst heavyweight title holder of all time

And a year prior to that he was fighting men like Gary Cornish Oh, yeah ... Let's throw in Kubrat Pulev after regaining the title from a nearly 300 pound Anthony Ruiz who didn't even bother to try to win, it took Joshua 9 rounds to put away a man Klitschko blasted out in 5 rounds six years earlier.

Yeah, that's better than Fury this is when you know people have bought into politics too much in boxing rather than substance. Three wins with Wilder and a win over reigning champion Klitschko either is equal to what Joshua has done or it surpasses it.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:53 could easily turn a spin like that on any resume

the resume of wilder, one of fury;s huge wins, would turn to mush, and hence the win would mean a lot less. homi has already discredited one of his very best opponents in garbage man brezeale

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 22:01 how many people here are holding up hopes on joshua now? people were just saying he has more depth to his resume than fury and wilder, which is true. that doesnt mean he is the best or anything like that. pretty much everyone i see has fury 1 and usyk 2, but that is not the same as fury being some undisputed ruler proven way above anyone else. he still has work to do for that

homi's spin was ridiculous, you can pull that sh!t on anyone's resume

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 22:04 I can play this game too.

Let's compare:

Fury:

Klitschko (P4P-rated Klitschko, but also, he was looking human getting wobbled by little power Pulev and having to hold Povetkin to death)

Wilder (WBC-propped up fake champion. Best win is an ancient Luis Ortiz.)

Chisora (solid wins, but this wasn't a more motivated Chisora that has been recently fighting--Euro level fight at best)

Wallin (a very green prospect that has yet to prove himself. Had help from everyone, referee to doctor, to avoid a TKO loss)

Cunningham (went life and death with a small CW. Had to pull out every dirty trick in the book)

Joshua:

Klitschko (came back from the loss to Fury and was looking even more lethal and motivated)

Whyte (met his rival from the amateurs who is still a giant puncher and currently the #1 HW contender)

Parker (undefeated at the time and unified the titles. Toughest, stylistically to fight and win against (close wins over Ruiz Jr. and Huey Fury), and Joshua handled him with ease).

Povetkin (undefeated streak and goes on to beat Whyte)

Ruiz Jr. (lost in the first fight, but made the necessary adjustments and won every round against him in the rematch)

Outside of the Klitschko fight, which Joshua fought a better, more motivated version. Usyk>Joshua>Fury

squiggy wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 22:16 Fury boxed Wallin's ears off. Do you score fights by which guy gets cut or something?

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:44

KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 21:15 Hi Henry
I thought Whyte was a good win. I rewatched that a couple of weeks ago. They were both really going for it, pretty exciting stuff.
People might say that was just a domestic level title fight, but I think it was beyond that. A real big fella fire fight. If only Joshua was that spiteful now.

It was a good win. I'll give it that. But, it was still British/Commonwealth level at best. I remember thinking Whyte would win at the time because of how easy he handled Joshua in the amateurs. It really was a give and take contest that I enjoyed.

What's shocking to me, however, is how much fanfare those two men received and how poorly Tyson Fury was treated by his own country and the press despite being the heavyweight champion of the world. The hype behind AJ and DW was pretty insane for a bunch of guys who were not yet proven as heavyweights.



I'm reminded of this round table conversation back in 2013 and everybody at that table treated Tyson Fury like an afterthought while kissing Joshua's ass.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 22:09

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 22:04 I can play this game too.

Let's compare:

Fury:

Klitschko (P4P-rated Klitschko, but also, he was looking human getting wobbled by little power Pulev and having to hold Povetkin to death)

Wilder (WBC-propped up fake champion. Best win is an ancient Luis Ortiz.)

Chisora (solid wins, but this wasn't a more motivated Chisora that has been recently fighting--Euro level fight at best)

Wallin (a very green prospect that has yet to prove himself. Had help from everyone, referee to doctor, to avoid a TKO loss)

Cunningham (went life and death with a small CW. Had to pull out every dirty trick in the book)

Joshua:

Klitschko (came back from the loss to Fury and was looking even more lethal and motivated)

Whyte (met his rival from the amateurs who is still a giant puncher and currently the #1 HW contender)

Parker (undefeated at the time and unified the titles. Toughest, stylistically to fight and win against (close wins over Ruiz Jr. and Huey Fury), and Joshua handled him with ease).

Povetkin (undefeated streak and goes on to beat Whyte)

Ruiz Jr. (lost in the first fight, but made the necessary adjustments and won every round against him in the rematch)

Outside of the Klitschko fight, which Joshua fought a better, more motivated version. Usyk>Joshua>Fury

by homi's own admission, brezeale is a garbage man, and yet that's wallin's only notable win. yet the swedish can crusher absolutely tore fury up, omg

and omg wlad was nearly 40 when fury beat him, seniors abuse!!

steve cunningham, little, old, light punching, fleeing to hw cuz he was losing at cw. still dropped fury's ass

ya, it's very easy to spin that sh!t aint it

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 22:04 well then fury still got a first tier guy left to beat

and again, who all is holding up hopes on aj?

people wanting fury to prove that he's really the king of the division isnt hating, it isnt saying he isn't #1, it isnt putting all hopes on aj or usyk, or anything like that. theres still good fights for him . wilder isnt the be all and end all of the hw division outside fury