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Posted: **08 May 2022, 07:16**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 07:11 usyk won't give a sh!t, he's got an actual heavyweight to prepare for

it was fantasy that isnt/wasnt going to happen

Yeah, big bois don't need the small ones to cash out.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 07:38**

Pretty amazing that Alvarez can beat Usyk when he can't even beat Bivol. I wonder if Alvarez and Bivol beat Tyson Fury as well. There's some people here who say that Usyk beats Fury, after all.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 08:01**

This was a statement that I made on a thread titled Stick a fork in Gennady. This was after the first Golovkin vs. Canelo fight. Here is my statement: "Stick a fork in Canelo because it's all downhill from here. He's the type of guy who is going to suck at boxing in his early 30s." I guess my prediction is coming true.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 08:38**

He doesn't "suck," he just isn't the greatest fighter at every weight class in the world like some people were starting to say. If he keeps taking challenging fights and they score them accurately and let him be what he really is -- a very good fighter who's going to win some and, at top level, also lose some -- his career would actually get a lot more enjoyable to follow.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 09:02**

squiggy wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 08:38 He doesn't "suck," he just isn't the greatest fighter at every weight class in the world like some people were starting to say. If he keeps taking challenging fights and they score them accurately and let him be what he really is -- a very good fighter who's going to win some and, at top level, also lose some -- his career would actually get a lot more enjoyable to follow.

I admit that "suck" is a slight exaggeration, but if the fights that he should have lost were counted as losses instead of wins, he would not be considered P4P top 10. There are some supplements or drugs (whether legal or illegal) that are harder for the body to absorb as a person ages. There are supplements sold in health food stores that are dangerous for someone to use. My prediction was based on different things. If he has a rematch against Bivol or a third fight against Golovkin, Canelo may win on the judges' scorecards, but he will not look good in either of them.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 15:47**

Lololol. I’m literally wrong every time. I think I got one correct a few years ago. Hagler/Mugabi I think it was

Posted: **08 May 2022, 16:12**

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 15:47 Lololol. I’m literally wrong every time. I think I got one correct a few years ago. Hagler/Mugabi I think it was

Predicting fight results is more difficult because of the judges. You don't know if they are going to be biased or incompetent.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 16:38**

Never mind Usyk, that's a pipe dream and a fight that Canelo could never win, regardless of whether he had beaten Bivol or not.

The real question is the cruiserweights: What about the previously mentioned Makabu fight?

Makabu is even bigger than Bivol, but skillset wise he doesn't compare.

Canelo could probably beat him and pick up another trinket to put in his loft.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 17:29**

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 16:12
caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 15:47 Lololol. I’m literally wrong every time. I think I got one correct a few years ago. Hagler/Mugabi I think it was
Predicting fight results is more difficult because of the judges. You don't know if they are going to be biased or incompetent.

I really appreciate you minimizing how bad my prediction was but it could be the worst one I’ve even read on this site. I’ve literally watched every Canelo fight the last 10 years hoping he would lose. I’ll be honest. I go on Vacation in Ireland 2 days ago and sleep through the fight that I paid for that ended up going off at 5am. I wake up to see that Canelo pretty much lost 10-11 rounds and the only highlights I could get were from s Mexican site that only showed Canelo’s successes each round. So it looked as though he got screwed on the scorecards. Lol. I have to watch when I get home in a few weeks to see for myself. But from what I’ve been able to read, I couldn’t have been more wrong. Canelo not only got beat but at one point, his punches became a joke and his body language said that he had no interest in winning the fight or being in the shape required to do so.

I’m wrong all the time on big fights. I am curious to what this loss does to the hierarchy of the sport now. You can’t be P4P brst and go out and lose somewhere and expect to maintain the same momentum. I think that this result puts another 2 or 3 asterisks in the Crawford/Spence Jr. result. I think the winner of that fight is THE NEW….

Posted: **08 May 2022, 19:37**

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 08:01 This was a statement that I made on a thread titled Stick a fork in Gennady. This was after the first Golovkin vs. Canelo fight. Here is my statement: "Stick a fork in Canelo because it's all downhill from here. He's the type of guy who is going to suck at boxing in his early 30s." I guess my prediction is coming true.

well, since the first ggg fight, canelo has beaten ggg and jacobs, moved up and became undisputed smw champ, and won a lhw title vs kovalev

that alone is better than what 99.9 percent ever accomplish

Posted: **08 May 2022, 20:20**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 19:37
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 08:01 This was a statement that I made on a thread titled Stick a fork in Gennady. This was after the first Golovkin vs. Canelo fight. Here is my statement: "Stick a fork in Canelo because it's all downhill from here. He's the type of guy who is going to suck at boxing in his early 30s." I guess my prediction is coming true.
well, since the first ggg fight, canelo has beaten ggg and jacobs, moved up and became undisputed smw champ, and won a lhw title vs kovalev

that alone is better than what 99.9 percent ever accomplish

That's great, but that was then and this is now. Metaphorically, he is going to be eating a turd sandwich whether he chooses to fight Bivol or Golovkin.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 20:22**

you said stick a fork in canelo before he did all that. it obviously wasnt time for his fork !

Posted: **08 May 2022, 20:23**

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 08:01 This was a statement that I made on a thread titled Stick a fork in Gennady. This was after the first Golovkin vs. Canelo fight. Here is my statement: "Stick a fork in Canelo because it's all downhill from here. He's the type of guy who is going to suck at boxing in his early 30s." I guess my prediction is coming true.

This is such a bad prediction to be claiming a victory on.

You claimed all down hill from here In late 2017 and Canelo went on to have one of the best 4.5 years I have ever seen...

Posted: **08 May 2022, 20:27**

gregregegg wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 20:23
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 08:01 This was a statement that I made on a thread titled Stick a fork in Gennady. This was after the first Golovkin vs. Canelo fight. Here is my statement: "Stick a fork in Canelo because it's all downhill from here. He's the type of guy who is going to suck at boxing in his early 30s." I guess my prediction is coming true.
This is such a bad prediction to be claiming a victory on.

You claimed all down hill from here In late 2017 and Canelo went on to have one of the best 4.5 years I have ever seen...

You're right. I was wrong about his career after the first Golovkin fight. But now, here he is at 31 years old and he looked older than Bivol and they are both the same age.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 20:49**

caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 17:29
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 16:12
caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 15:47 Lololol. I’m literally wrong every time. I think I got one correct a few years ago. Hagler/Mugabi I think it was
Predicting fight results is more difficult because of the judges. You don't know if they are going to be biased or incompetent.
I really appreciate you minimizing how bad my prediction was but it could be the worst one I’ve even read on this site. I’ve literally watched every Canelo fight the last 10 years hoping he would lose. I’ll be honest. I go on Vacation in Ireland 2 days ago and sleep through the fight that I paid for that ended up going off at 5am. I wake up to see that Canelo pretty much lost 10-11 rounds and the only highlights I could get were from s Mexican site that only showed Canelo’s successes each round. So it looked as though he got screwed on the scorecards. Lol. I have to watch when I get home in a few weeks to see for myself. But from what I’ve been able to read, I couldn’t have been more wrong. Canelo not only got beat but at one point, his punches became a joke and his body language said that he had no interest in winning the fight or being in the shape required to do so.

I’m wrong all the time on big fights. I am curious to what this loss does to the hierarchy of the sport now. You can’t be P4P brst and go out and lose somewhere and expect to maintain the same momentum. I think that this result puts another 2 or 3 asterisks in the Crawford/Spence Jr. result. I think the winner of that fight is THE NEW….

I picked Meldrick Taylor to beat Julio Cesar Chavez in 1990 and the referee stopped it with two seconds left and Chavez won. I don't participate in picking big fights anymore. The judges and referee obviously have some control over what the result will be, although I don't see interference from the referees as much. BoxRec’s P4P list had Fury No. 1, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, and Canelo No. 4. Now BoxRec has changed it within one day to Fury No. 1, Canelo No. 2, Bivol No. 3, and Golovkin No. 4. There seems to be an algorithm issue when it comes to ranking Canelo on these computer ratings. I don't know if the winner of Crawford vs. Spence would be considered P4P No. 1 by people or BoxRec. Maybe the winner of the Usyk vs. Joshua rematch would be No. 1. If Bivol beats Canelo again, then he probably will be No. 1.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 20:52**

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 20:49
caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 17:29
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 16:12

Predicting fight results is more difficult because of the judges. You don't know if they are going to be biased or incompetent.
I really appreciate you minimizing how bad my prediction was but it could be the worst one I’ve even read on this site. I’ve literally watched every Canelo fight the last 10 years hoping he would lose. I’ll be honest. I go on Vacation in Ireland 2 days ago and sleep through the fight that I paid for that ended up going off at 5am. I wake up to see that Canelo pretty much lost 10-11 rounds and the only highlights I could get were from s Mexican site that only showed Canelo’s successes each round. So it looked as though he got screwed on the scorecards. Lol. I have to watch when I get home in a few weeks to see for myself. But from what I’ve been able to read, I couldn’t have been more wrong. Canelo not only got beat but at one point, his punches became a joke and his body language said that he had no interest in winning the fight or being in the shape required to do so.

I’m wrong all the time on big fights. I am curious to what this loss does to the hierarchy of the sport now. You can’t be P4P brst and go out and lose somewhere and expect to maintain the same momentum. I think that this result puts another 2 or 3 asterisks in the Crawford/Spence Jr. result. I think the winner of that fight is THE NEW….
I picked Meldrick Taylor to beat Julio Cesar Chavez in 1990 and the referee stopped it with two seconds left and Chavez won. I don't participate in picking big fights anymore. The judges and referee obviously have some control over what the result will be, although I don't see interference from the referees as much. BoxRec’s P4P list had Fury No. 1, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, and Canelo No. 4. Now BoxRec has changed it within one day to Fury No. 1, Canelo No. 2, Bivol No. 3, and Golovkin No. 4. There seems to be an algorithm issue when it comes to ranking Canelo on these computer ratings. I don't know if the winner of Crawford vs. Spence would be considered P4P No. 1 by people or BoxRec. Maybe the winner of the Usyk vs. Joshua rematch would be No. 1. If Bivol beats Canelo again, then he probably will be No. 1.

It's not an algorithm issue when it comes to ranking Canelo. There's an issue when it comes to the rankings period.

But I can't blame them. The main purpose of this site is to record results and Win/Loss records of fighters. It's not a credible source for Rankings, and it's not even supposed to be.

It might give you a ballpark idea of where guys that are below the Top 50 kinda sorta fit into the scheme of things, but how or where they rank the guys at the top should be completely disregarded because it's irrelevant.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 21:11**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 20:52
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 20:49I picked Meldrick Taylor to beat Julio Cesar Chavez in 1990 and the referee stopped it with two seconds left and Chavez won. I don't participate in picking big fights anymore. The judges and referee obviously have some control over what the result will be, although I don't see interference from the referees as much. BoxRec’s P4P list had Fury No. 1, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, and Canelo No. 4. Now BoxRec has changed it within one day to Fury No. 1, Canelo No. 2, Bivol No. 3, and Golovkin No. 4. There seems to be an algorithm issue when it comes to ranking Canelo on these computer ratings. I don't know if the winner of Crawford vs. Spence would be considered P4P No. 1 by people or BoxRec. Maybe the winner of the Usyk vs. Joshua rematch would be No. 1. If Bivol beats Canelo again, then he probably will be No. 1.
It's not an algorithm issue when it comes to ranking Canelo. There's an issue when it comes to the rankings period.

But I can't blame them. The main purpose of this site is to record results and Win/Loss records of fighters. It's not a credible source for Rankings, and it's not even supposed to be.

It might give you a ballpark idea of where guys that are below the Top 50 kinda sorta fit into the scheme of things, but how or where they rank the guys at the top should be completely disregarded because it's irrelevant.

After Golovkin's recent win against Murata, he was higher on the P4P list than Canelo. But then BoxRec realized that doesn't make sense because Canelo defeated Golovkin (on the biased scorecards). So then they adjusted the algorithm/removed a bug so that Canelo would be rated higher P4P than Golovkin. Now Bivol won against Canelo. He was briefly rated higher P4P than Canelo and Canelo actually dropped below Golovkin which makes sense because Canelo just lost and Golovkin just won. Now it has all been changed. This is bullcrap. How is Bivol rated one place below Canelo on a P4P list when he just defeated him?

Posted: **08 May 2022, 21:16**

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 21:11
gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 20:52
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 20:49I picked Meldrick Taylor to beat Julio Cesar Chavez in 1990 and the referee stopped it with two seconds left and Chavez won. I don't participate in picking big fights anymore. The judges and referee obviously have some control over what the result will be, although I don't see interference from the referees as much. BoxRec’s P4P list had Fury No. 1, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, and Canelo No. 4. Now BoxRec has changed it within one day to Fury No. 1, Canelo No. 2, Bivol No. 3, and Golovkin No. 4. There seems to be an algorithm issue when it comes to ranking Canelo on these computer ratings. I don't know if the winner of Crawford vs. Spence would be considered P4P No. 1 by people or BoxRec. Maybe the winner of the Usyk vs. Joshua rematch would be No. 1. If Bivol beats Canelo again, then he probably will be No. 1.
It's not an algorithm issue when it comes to ranking Canelo. There's an issue when it comes to the rankings period.

But I can't blame them. The main purpose of this site is to record results and Win/Loss records of fighters. It's not a credible source for Rankings, and it's not even supposed to be.

It might give you a ballpark idea of where guys that are below the Top 50 kinda sorta fit into the scheme of things, but how or where they rank the guys at the top should be completely disregarded because it's irrelevant.
After Golovkin's recent win against Murata, he was higher on the P4P list than Canelo. But then BoxRec realized that doesn't make sense because Canelo defeated Golovkin (on the biased scorecards). So then they adjusted the algorithm/removed a bug so that Canelo would be rated higher P4P than Golovkin. Now Bivol won against Canelo. He was briefly rated higher P4P than Canelo and Canelo actually dropped below Golovkin which makes sense because Canelo just lost and Golovkin just won. Now it has all been changed. This is bullcrap. How is Bivol rated one place below Canelo on a P4P list when he just defeated him?

I think it's cause cards are close so not a huge swing in points which is trash.

Then boxrec have said Canelo is a super middle again so gains points moving down I guess... It's crap though, why is Canelo listed at super middle when his last fight was LHW and he is claiming his next fight is LHW.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 21:25**

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 21:11
gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 20:52
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 20:49I picked Meldrick Taylor to beat Julio Cesar Chavez in 1990 and the referee stopped it with two seconds left and Chavez won. I don't participate in picking big fights anymore. The judges and referee obviously have some control over what the result will be, although I don't see interference from the referees as much. BoxRec’s P4P list had Fury No. 1, Bivol No. 2, Golovkin No. 3, and Canelo No. 4. Now BoxRec has changed it within one day to Fury No. 1, Canelo No. 2, Bivol No. 3, and Golovkin No. 4. There seems to be an algorithm issue when it comes to ranking Canelo on these computer ratings. I don't know if the winner of Crawford vs. Spence would be considered P4P No. 1 by people or BoxRec. Maybe the winner of the Usyk vs. Joshua rematch would be No. 1. If Bivol beats Canelo again, then he probably will be No. 1.
It's not an algorithm issue when it comes to ranking Canelo. There's an issue when it comes to the rankings period.

But I can't blame them. The main purpose of this site is to record results and Win/Loss records of fighters. It's not a credible source for Rankings, and it's not even supposed to be.

It might give you a ballpark idea of where guys that are below the Top 50 kinda sorta fit into the scheme of things, but how or where they rank the guys at the top should be completely disregarded because it's irrelevant.
After Golovkin's recent win against Murata, he was higher on the P4P list than Canelo. But then BoxRec realized that doesn't make sense because Canelo defeated Golovkin (on the biased scorecards). So then they adjusted the algorithm/removed a bug so that Canelo would be rated higher P4P than Golovkin. Now Bivol won against Canelo. He was briefly rated higher P4P than Canelo and Canelo actually dropped below Golovkin which makes sense because Canelo just lost and Golovkin just won. Now it has all been changed. This is bullcrap. How is Bivol rated one place below Canelo on a P4P list when he just defeated him?

Because the rankings don't matter and never did. Like I said.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 21:30**

gregregegg wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 21:16
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 21:11After Golovkin's recent win against Murata, he was higher on the P4P list than Canelo. But then BoxRec realized that doesn't make sense because Canelo defeated Golovkin (on the biased scorecards). So then they adjusted the algorithm/removed a bug so that Canelo would be rated higher P4P than Golovkin. Now Bivol won against Canelo. He was briefly rated higher P4P than Canelo and Canelo actually dropped below Golovkin which makes sense because Canelo just lost and Golovkin just won. Now it has all been changed. This is bullcrap. How is Bivol rated one place below Canelo on a P4P list when he just defeated him?
I think it's cause cards are close so not a huge swing in points which is trash.

Then boxrec have said Canelo is a super middle again so gains points moving down I guess... It's crap though, why is Canelo listed at super middle when his last fight was LHW and he is claiming his next fight is LHW.

The scorecards being close shouldn't matter because Bivol won by unanimous decision. Even if it was a win by split decision, Bivol still should be rated higher than Canelo. I thought about that maybe because Canelo is being categorized as super middle again, but that still should not affect a P4P ratings list. I know that Canelo has a rematch clause in the contract, but he seems to want to fight the rematch at super middle because it would be to his advantage. I guess Bivol may be forced to go down to that weight class for the rematch, although I saw an interview with him and he seems to prefer light heavy and that he is unsure about going down to 168 pounds as he has been at 175 for the vast majority of his career.

Posted: **08 May 2022, 21:34**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 21:25
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 21:11After Golovkin's recent win against Murata, he was higher on the P4P list than Canelo. But then BoxRec realized that doesn't make sense because Canelo defeated Golovkin (on the biased scorecards). So then they adjusted the algorithm/removed a bug so that Canelo would be rated higher P4P than Golovkin. Now Bivol won against Canelo. He was briefly rated higher P4P than Canelo and Canelo actually dropped below Golovkin which makes sense because Canelo just lost and Golovkin just won. Now it has all been changed. This is bullcrap. How is Bivol rated one place below Canelo on a P4P list when he just defeated him?
Because the rankings don't matter and never did. Like I said.

The rankings matter to me. I know they definitely matter to the boxing business in Germany. If they don't matter, then why does BoxRec have them?

Posted: **08 May 2022, 22:23**

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 21:34
gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 21:25
RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 21:11After Golovkin's recent win against Murata, he was higher on the P4P list than Canelo. But then BoxRec realized that doesn't make sense because Canelo defeated Golovkin (on the biased scorecards). So then they adjusted the algorithm/removed a bug so that Canelo would be rated higher P4P than Golovkin. Now Bivol won against Canelo. He was briefly rated higher P4P than Canelo and Canelo actually dropped below Golovkin which makes sense because Canelo just lost and Golovkin just won. Now it has all been changed. This is bullcrap. How is Bivol rated one place below Canelo on a P4P list when he just defeated him?
Because the rankings don't matter and never did. Like I said.
The rankings matter to me. I know they definitely matter to the boxing business in Germany. If they don't matter, then why does BoxRec have them?

Because Rankings are just part of Boxing.

If they matter to you, you should pay attention to who actually does credible rankings and quit worrying about Boxrec's. How many times can you recognize that something doesn't make sense in a rankings system and still pretend it matters?

If you want credible rankings here you go.

https://tbrb.org/rankings

Posted: **09 May 2022, 03:39**

I doubt he believes it after the Bivol fight. But the funny thing is that he may insists he wants such a fight simply because it is impossible to happen.

Posted: **09 May 2022, 04:34**

Imagine how much hype there could have been, if instead of losing to the elite LHW like Bivol Canelo faced the sh!thouse CW like Makabu and won.

Posted: **09 May 2022, 07:59**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 22:23Because Rankings are just part of Boxing.

If they matter to you, you should pay attention to who actually does credible rankings and quit worrying about Boxrec's. How many times can you recognize that something doesn't make sense in a rankings system and still pretend it matters?

If you want credible rankings here you go.

https://tbrb.org/rankings

The Transnational Boxing Rankings Board rankings are no better than BoxRec. The TBRB P4P list has Canelo No. 1. And now BoxRec has removed Tyson Fury from their ratings, so now Canelo is P4P No. 1 on BoxRec too! Isn't this great?! Canelo loses and he actually moves up to P4P No. 1 because BoxRec finally believes Fury is going to retire (and I believe it too because he doesn't want to fight Joshua or Usyk and he said so). What does it take for Canelo to drop in the P4P ratings? What if he has another loss in his next fight? Will that be the straw that broke the camel's back?

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