Your top 10 p4p update after Bivol winning Canelo

[Enlightened-One]

somewhere in internet land, a vagina coughs out some more of that sand

A quick question...

What did Miguel Cotto weigh for his previous two world middleweight title fights (prior to facing Canelo)?

[Counter-puncher]

or does a vagina sneeze, rather than coughing out, sand?

[tiny_acres]

somewhere in internet land, a vagina coughs out some more of that sand

A quick question...

What did Miguel Cotto weigh for his previous two world middleweight title fights (prior to facing Canelo)?

You are correct he did face Liam Smith at 154 in 2016.

My original comment was in reference to the comment that Canelo was a super middle since 2016. Which he was not. My apologies to you.

[Enlightened-One]

somewhere in internet land, a vagina coughs out some more of that sand

A quick question...

What did Miguel Cotto weigh for his previous two world middleweight title fights (prior to facing Canelo)?

You are correct he did face Liam Smith at 154 in 2016.

My original comment was in reference to the comment that Canelo was a super middle since 2016. Which he was not. My apologies to you.

Thank you.

[Counter-puncher]

[Jake Savage]

#1 / #2 Usyk or Fury
#3 Bivol
#4 Crawford
#5 Inoue

In terms of a single win, Bivol's W 12 over Canelo is the biggest win any of these guys have got probably since Fury W 12 Klitschko in 2015. Fury KO Wilder and Usyk W 12 Joshua are big wins too, but I think Bivol's is bigger. Crawford, Spence and Inoue though good, do not have a win comparable to any of these results.

[lazboy]

Crawford was the bigger man at 135, and 140 was a dead division when he was there. His best wins were at WW, and they're barely anything as Porter was already through several wars and Brook and Khan were nothing wins.

Canelo is complete opposite. All wins were quality, and it's only a few times he was ever the bigger man: Lopez, Cotto, and Mayweather. Angulo, et al. at 154 were all drainers, and Jacobs is a massive drainer at 160.

Canelo’s a true super-middleweight and has been since 2016, possibly earlier.

In 2016 he was a middleweight making every opponent weigh 155 because he said he wasn't a true middleweight.

I know he was but I believe he was an expert drainer at that time and would have fit comfortably in the super middleweight category.

[lazboy]

Any love for Choclatito? His resurgence has been legendary - surely still a pfp fighter.

[giacomino]

Any love for Choclatito? His resurgence has been legendary - surely still a pfp fighter.

No, Kambosos, for instance, gets top 10 for winning one fight but Chocolatito gets nothing for winning belts in four divisions and in his most recent fights KOing an undefeated world belt holder, beating Estrada easily but getting hosed and beating Martinez, the best flyweight in the world in a one-sided fight. Most of the posters don’t watch below welterweight or maybe lightweight. González would be an all-time legend on boxrec if he fought at 147 or 160 and was American, British, Australian or Eastern European

[Enlightened-One]

I know he was but I believe he was an expert drainer at that time and would have fit comfortably in the super middleweight category.

To be fair, Canelo is not the only fighter that gains a lot weight after official weigh-ins.

I’ll provide some examples:

• Only one week after his 143lbs catch-weight fight against Danny Garcia, Lamont Peterson rehydrated to a massive 182lbs... And he was apparently still pretty ripped. He actually entered the ring weighing 165lbs.

• Marco Antonio Rubio officially weighed 161¾lbs when he faced GGG, but his HBO unofficial ring-weight was 181lbs.

• Daniel Jacobs managed to drain himself down to 160lbs for the official weigh-in for the GGG bout, but it is rumoured that by fight time, he would have faced Golovkin weighing at least 178lbs.

• When Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. was competing as a middleweight, he rehydrated to 185lbs when he fought John Duddy, 179lbs against Billy Lyell, 181lbs against Sebastian Zbik, 179lbs against Peter Manfredo Jr., and 181lbs against Marco Antonio Rubio.

• Terence Crawford posted a picture of himself weighing 177lbs (between bouts, whilst still competing as a light welterweight) and we've also seen him rehydrate to an enormous 157lbs to dominate significantly smaller opposition in the 140lbs weight class (i.e. the Viktor Postol fight).

• Going back in time, James Toney entered the ring weighing 184lbs when he faced Roy Jones Jr. in a super-middleweight bout.

• Francisco Sierra weighed 200lbs for his light heavyweight bout against Badou Jack.

• Jermall Charlo weighed 170lbs for his light middleweight bout against Lenny Bottai.

• Francisco Santana rehydrated to 167lbs when he faced Sadam Ali at welterweight.

• Daniel Geale was 182lbs for his 158lbs catch weight bout against Miguel Cotto.

• Erislandy Lara was 170.5lbs for his light middleweight bout against Ishe Smith.

• Jaime Munguia was 176lbs for his super welterweight bout against Liam Smith.

• GGG was 174lbs for his middleweight bout against Vanes Martirsoyan.

• James Kirkland was 168lbs for his super welterweight bout against Glen Tapia.

• Alfredo Angulo was 174lbs for his super welterweight bout against Erislandy Lara.

• Terrell Guasha was 184lbs for his 164lbs catchweight bout against William Waters.

• Lucas Matthysse was 163.5lbs for his light welterweight bout against Mike Dallas Jr.

Surely you get the point? All fighters have to cut weight.

[Perkin Warbeck]

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/b ... try-bivol/

Pound-for-Pound Rankings

1. Canelo Alvarez
2. Errol Spence Jr.
3. Terence Crawford
4. Naoya Inoue
5. Tyson Fury
6. Vasiliy Lomachenko
7. Shakur Stevenson
8. Oleksandr Usyk
9. Dmitry Bivol
10. Gervonta Davis

Very poor rankings. They have Spence who has never unified all the belts in his division as #2, far ahead of Usyk!

They even have Shakur Stevenson higher than Usyk!

Tweet to them, let them know what you think.

[margaret thatcher]

those rankings suck

[gilgamesh]

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/b ... try-bivol/

Pound-for-Pound Rankings

1. Canelo Alvarez
2. Errol Spence Jr.
3. Terence Crawford
4. Naoya Inoue
5. Tyson Fury
6. Vasiliy Lomachenko
7. Shakur Stevenson
8. Oleksandr Usyk
9. Dmitry Bivol
10. Gervonta Davis

Very poor rankings. They have Spence who has never unified all the belts in his division as #2, far ahead of Usyk!

They even have Shakur Stevenson higher than Usyk!

Tweet to them, let them know what you think.

I have Spence at #2 myself, difference is I have Usyk at #1.

[tiny_acres]

those rankings suck

Most truthful post of the day

[Counter-puncher]

Any love for Choclatito? His resurgence has been legendary - surely still a pfp fighter.

No, Kambosos, for instance, gets top 10 for winning one fight but Chocolatito gets nothing for winning belts in four divisions and in his most recent fights KOing an undefeated world belt holder, beating Estrada easily but getting hosed and beating Martinez, the best flyweight in the world in a one-sided fight. Most of the posters don’t watch below welterweight or maybe lightweight. González would be an all-time legend on boxrec if he fought at 147 or 160 and was American, British, Australian or Eastern European

[Bandog]

Debates about pfp is just opinions. It's kind of stupid to debate. To continue to hold on to anyone as #1, regardless of name or previous accomplishments, (Canelo) that was totally schooled by someone not even in the top ten? Please... Some of you are as dishonest and delusional as Canelo's judges.

[lazboy]

I know he was but I believe he was an expert drainer at that time and would have fit comfortably in the super middleweight category.

To be fair, Canelo is not the only fighter that gains a lot weight after official weigh-ins.

I’ll provide some examples:

• Only one week after his 143lbs catch-weight fight against Danny Garcia, Lamont Peterson rehydrated to a massive 182lbs... And he was apparently still pretty ripped. He actually entered the ring weighing 165lbs.

• Marco Antonio Rubio officially weighed 161¾lbs when he faced GGG, but his HBO unofficial ring-weight was 181lbs.

• Daniel Jacobs managed to drain himself down to 160lbs for the official weigh-in for the GGG bout, but it is rumoured that by fight time, he would have faced Golovkin weighing at least 178lbs.

• When Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. was competing as a middleweight, he rehydrated to 185lbs when he fought John Duddy, 179lbs against Billy Lyell, 181lbs against Sebastian Zbik, 179lbs against Peter Manfredo Jr., and 181lbs against Marco Antonio Rubio.

• Terence Crawford posted a picture of himself weighing 177lbs (between bouts, whilst still competing as a light welterweight) and we've also seen him rehydrate to an enormous 157lbs to dominate significantly smaller opposition in the 140lbs weight class (i.e. the Viktor Postol fight).

• Going back in time, James Toney entered the ring weighing 184lbs when he faced Roy Jones Jr. in a super-middleweight bout.

• Francisco Sierra weighed 200lbs for his light heavyweight bout against Badou Jack.

• Jermall Charlo weighed 170lbs for his light middleweight bout against Lenny Bottai.

• Francisco Santana rehydrated to 167lbs when he faced Sadam Ali at welterweight.

• Daniel Geale was 182lbs for his 158lbs catch weight bout against Miguel Cotto.

• Erislandy Lara was 170.5lbs for his light middleweight bout against Ishe Smith.

• Jaime Munguia was 176lbs for his super welterweight bout against Liam Smith.

• GGG was 174lbs for his middleweight bout against Vanes Martirsoyan.

• James Kirkland was 168lbs for his super welterweight bout against Glen Tapia.

• Alfredo Angulo was 174lbs for his super welterweight bout against Erislandy Lara.

• Terrell Guasha was 184lbs for his 164lbs catchweight bout against William Waters.

• Lucas Matthysse was 163.5lbs for his light welterweight bout against Mike Dallas Jr.

Surely you get the point? All fighters have to cut weight.

I get the point but it doesn’t discount my belief that Canelo is/was an expert drainer. Basically you haven’t contributed anything to the discussion other than explaining that other fighters could also be deemed to be expert drainers. I’m not impressed by your post. I’m certainly not impressed by your understanding of boxing and your scoring of Canelo v Bivol goes to that point.

[margaret thatcher]

someone was defo watching that fight with their canelo undies on....our boi eo certainly showed his cinnamon love

[Enlightened-One]

I know he was but I believe he was an expert drainer at that time and would have fit comfortably in the super middleweight category.

To be fair, Canelo is not the only fighter that gains a lot weight after official weigh-ins.

Surely you get the point? All fighters have to cut weight.

I get the point but it doesn’t discount my belief that Canelo is/was an expert drainer. Basically you haven’t contributed anything to the discussion other than explaining that other fighters could also be deemed to be expert drainers. I’m not impressed by your post.

It’s your prerogative to be impressed or unimpressed by anything you damn well want. No one else cares other than you.

However, the preferred narrative is that Canelo is deemed as being a “scoundrel” or a “cheat” for cutting weight, when all fighters do it! I even provided LOTS of examples to illustrate the point.

But no one bothers to mention that blatantly obvious fact, do they? Instead, they prefer to apply double-standards (by only criticising Canelo, but no one else, even though they do precisely the same thing).

People seriously believe that Canelo forced multiple opponents to face him weighing 155lbs during world title bouts, when he only ever did it ONCE, which was when he fought a welterweight that was attempting to capture the world middleweight championship.

The same mentally disturbed individuals prefer to believe that Canelo is the only fighter that gains a lot of weight after official weigh-in’s, when it’s abundantly clear he isn’t!

Anyway, I contributed to the discussion by directly addressing one of your claims!

You can try to offend me again if you really want to. I’m hoping you can be innovative and say something I’ve never read before.

[Fightnight Scores]

Debates about pfp is just opinions. It's kind of stupid to debate. To continue to hold on to anyone as #1, regardless of name or previous accomplishments, (Canelo) that was totally schooled by someone not even in the top ten? Please... Some of you are as dishonest and delusional as Canelo's judges.

Perfectly put!
Not read the thread, came to say how pointless boxing P4P discussions are
All a load of shite

[NateJR]

Crawford
Usyk
Spence
Bivol
Alvarez
Stevenson
Tank
Inoue
Kambosos
Lomachenko

Fury is a tough one for me to put on here. Even though he's the best HW on the planet IMO, he's so damn big and I just don't see his skills being superior to the others on the list.

[lazboy]

To be fair, Canelo is not the only fighter that gains a lot weight after official weigh-ins.

Surely you get the point? All fighters have to cut weight.

I get the point but it doesn’t discount my belief that Canelo is/was an expert drainer. Basically you haven’t contributed anything to the discussion other than explaining that other fighters could also be deemed to be expert drainers. I’m not impressed by your post.

It’s your prerogative to be impressed or unimpressed by anything you damn well want.

Yes that's correct, it is my prerogative. I'm Britney...bitch. As an entertainment industry icon, my advice is that you go back to watching WWE. Boxing is not for you.

[Thomastearns]

I know he was but I believe he was an expert drainer at that time and would have fit comfortably in the super middleweight category.

To be fair, Canelo is not the only fighter that gains a lot weight after official weigh-ins.

I’ll provide some examples:

• Only one week after his 143lbs catch-weight fight against Danny Garcia, Lamont Peterson rehydrated to a massive 182lbs... And he was apparently still pretty ripped. He actually entered the ring weighing 165lbs.

• Marco Antonio Rubio officially weighed 161¾lbs when he faced GGG, but his HBO unofficial ring-weight was 181lbs.

• Daniel Jacobs managed to drain himself down to 160lbs for the official weigh-in for the GGG bout, but it is rumoured that by fight time, he would have faced Golovkin weighing at least 178lbs.

• When Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. was competing as a middleweight, he rehydrated to 185lbs when he fought John Duddy, 179lbs against Billy Lyell, 181lbs against Sebastian Zbik, 179lbs against Peter Manfredo Jr., and 181lbs against Marco Antonio Rubio.

• Terence Crawford posted a picture of himself weighing 177lbs (between bouts, whilst still competing as a light welterweight) and we've also seen him rehydrate to an enormous 157lbs to dominate significantly smaller opposition in the 140lbs weight class (i.e. the Viktor Postol fight).

• Going back in time, James Toney entered the ring weighing 184lbs when he faced Roy Jones Jr. in a super-middleweight bout.

• Francisco Sierra weighed 200lbs for his light heavyweight bout against Badou Jack.

• Jermall Charlo weighed 170lbs for his light middleweight bout against Lenny Bottai.

• Francisco Santana rehydrated to 167lbs when he faced Sadam Ali at welterweight.

• Daniel Geale was 182lbs for his 158lbs catch weight bout against Miguel Cotto.

• Erislandy Lara was 170.5lbs for his light middleweight bout against Ishe Smith.

• Jaime Munguia was 176lbs for his super welterweight bout against Liam Smith.

• GGG was 174lbs for his middleweight bout against Vanes Martirsoyan.

• James Kirkland was 168lbs for his super welterweight bout against Glen Tapia.

• Alfredo Angulo was 174lbs for his super welterweight bout against Erislandy Lara.

• Terrell Guasha was 184lbs for his 164lbs catchweight bout against William Waters.

• Lucas Matthysse was 163.5lbs for his light welterweight bout against Mike Dallas Jr.

Surely you get the point? All fighters have to cut weight.

Great post.

It's high time that the networks started including the boxers fight day weight in their coverage.

This is an important tactical facet that simply doesn't get enough attention.

[tiny_acres]

I know he was but I believe he was an expert drainer at that time and would have fit comfortably in the super middleweight category.

To be fair, Canelo is not the only fighter that gains a lot weight after official weigh-ins.

I’ll provide some examples:

• Only one week after his 143lbs catch-weight fight against Danny Garcia, Lamont Peterson rehydrated to a massive 182lbs... And he was apparently still pretty ripped. He actually entered the ring weighing 165lbs.

• Marco Antonio Rubio officially weighed 161¾lbs when he faced GGG, but his HBO unofficial ring-weight was 181lbs.

• Daniel Jacobs managed to drain himself down to 160lbs for the official weigh-in for the GGG bout, but it is rumoured that by fight time, he would have faced Golovkin weighing at least 178lbs.

• When Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. was competing as a middleweight, he rehydrated to 185lbs when he fought John Duddy, 179lbs against Billy Lyell, 181lbs against Sebastian Zbik, 179lbs against Peter Manfredo Jr., and 181lbs against Marco Antonio Rubio.

• Terence Crawford posted a picture of himself weighing 177lbs (between bouts, whilst still competing as a light welterweight) and we've also seen him rehydrate to an enormous 157lbs to dominate significantly smaller opposition in the 140lbs weight class (i.e. the Viktor Postol fight).

• Going back in time, James Toney entered the ring weighing 184lbs when he faced Roy Jones Jr. in a super-middleweight bout.

• Francisco Sierra weighed 200lbs for his light heavyweight bout against Badou Jack.

• Jermall Charlo weighed 170lbs for his light middleweight bout against Lenny Bottai.

• Francisco Santana rehydrated to 167lbs when he faced Sadam Ali at welterweight.

• Daniel Geale was 182lbs for his 158lbs catch weight bout against Miguel Cotto.

• Erislandy Lara was 170.5lbs for his light middleweight bout against Ishe Smith.

• Jaime Munguia was 176lbs for his super welterweight bout against Liam Smith.

• GGG was 174lbs for his middleweight bout against Vanes Martirsoyan.

• James Kirkland was 168lbs for his super welterweight bout against Glen Tapia.

• Alfredo Angulo was 174lbs for his super welterweight bout against Erislandy Lara.

• Terrell Guasha was 184lbs for his 164lbs catchweight bout against William Waters.

• Lucas Matthysse was 163.5lbs for his light welterweight bout against Mike Dallas Jr.

Surely you get the point? All fighters have to cut weight.

Great post.

It's high time that the networks started including the boxers fight day weight in their coverage.

This is an important tactical facet that simply doesn't get enough attention.

I agree fight noght weights need to be put into Boxrec's data

[ironbeard]

Usyk
Crawford
Spence
Inoue
3G
Canelo
Breidis
Shakur
Chocolatito
Fury