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Joshua does not have the skill or the will to defeat Usyk.
Usyk wins by stoppage this time

tiny_acres wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022, 16:14 Joshua does not have the skill or the will to defeat Usyk.
Usyk wins by stoppage this time

I think that too.
But, he has changed it up and come back against Ruiz, even if fat Andy had trained it would have been the same result, so I'm not counting Joshua out. His tream were cheerleaders not coaches last time, they are gone.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 18:07

tiny_acres wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022, 16:14 Joshua does not have the skill or the will to defeat Usyk.
Usyk wins by stoppage this time

I think that too.
But, he has changed it up and come back against Ruiz, even if fat Andy had trained it would have been the same result, so I'm not counting Joshua out. His tream were cheerleaders not coaches last time, they are gone.

He ran from Ruiz all night. That strategy works against a nearly 300 pound fighter who could barely move. Ain't no way that will work against Usyk

tiny_acres wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 19:28

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 18:07

tiny_acres wrote: ↑06 Aug 2022, 16:14 Joshua does not have the skill or the will to defeat Usyk.
Usyk wins by stoppage this time

I think that too.
But, he has changed it up and come back against Ruiz, even if fat Andy had trained it would have been the same result, so I'm not counting Joshua out. His tream were cheerleaders not coaches last time, they are gone.

He ran from Ruiz all night. That strategy works against a nearly 300 pound fighter who could barely move. Ain't no way that will work against Usyk

For sure it won't work for Usyk. No way is Joshua or anyone else in the division that I've seen, out boxing Usyk. But that's not the only game plan.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 22:04

tiny_acres wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 19:28

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 18:07

I think that too.
But, he has changed it up and come back against Ruiz, even if fat Andy had trained it would have been the same result, so I'm not counting Joshua out. His tream were cheerleaders not coaches last time, they are gone.

He ran from Ruiz all night. That strategy works against a nearly 300 pound fighter who could barely move. Ain't no way that will work against Usyk

For sure it won't work for Usyk. No way is Joshua or anyone else in the division that I've seen, out boxing Usyk. But that's not the only game plan.

Joshua needs to throw a lot more shots, pump out the jab, to head and body, keep Usyk moving without scoring.

It's possible he could win on points, but he will need to be active and busy, without hestitating. Use his reach and size advamtage, and fight tall.

It's one of the thing I have always noticed about Joshua, he fights small, out of a semi crouch, which is odd for a man of his size - it seems to be something that's baked into his style.

I'm not saying he can't win, but I don't think he will, I think Usyk will actually be more aggressive this time around, and assert himself earlier in the fight.

I don't think Joshua has no way of winning, but my money is on the guy with more options and the better boxing brain.

If indeed Joshua does get a whupping off of Usyk, it maybe wouldn't be a bad time to retire. He's wealthy beyond most people's dreams, and can get out with his faculties intact before he gets another hiding from someone else.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑08 Aug 2022, 18:10

KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 22:04

tiny_acres wrote: ↑07 Aug 2022, 19:28

He ran from Ruiz all night. That strategy works against a nearly 300 pound fighter who could barely move. Ain't no way that will work against Usyk

For sure it won't work for Usyk. No way is Joshua or anyone else in the division that I've seen, out boxing Usyk. But that's not the only game plan.

Joshua needs to throw a lot more shots, pump out the jab, to head and body, keep Usyk moving without scoring.

It's possible he could win on points, but he will need to be active and busy, without hestitating. Use his reach and size advamtage, and fight tall.

It's one of the thing I have always noticed about Joshua, he fights small, out of a semi crouch, which is odd for a man of his size - it seems to be something that's baked into his style.

I'm not saying he can't win, but I don't think he will, I think Usyk will actually be more aggressive this time around, and assert himself earlier in the fight.

I don't think Joshua has no way of winning, but my money is on the guy with more options and the better boxing brain.

If indeed Joshua does get a whupping off of Usyk, it maybe wouldn't be a bad time to retire. He's wealthy beyond most people's dreams, and can get out with his faculties intact before he gets another hiding from someone else.

Yep, the guy is worth 100's of millions. I think he can win, if he just goes into beast mode from the first bell. High risk, but when he was like that in his early pro fights, he was lethal. A one round fire fight would be my game plan.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 Aug 2022, 22:41 if he just goes into beast mode from the first bell. High risk, but when he was like that in his early pro fights, he was lethal. A one round fire fight would be my game plan.

but it was against fighters so much slower than Usyk, I'm not sure the early performances give any indication whatsoever of how he might fare against Usyk. I mean, even if Usyk wasn't the boxer he is, on movement alone i'd give AJ a few rounds before he could close him down, just on Usyk making those big slow feet chase him. And he's Usyk.

he's gonna slap him silly again IMO, a one round fire fight would be nice but he would literally need Usyk to cooperate with him, stand and trade

if Usyk chooses to box I don't think there is a power on earth could make AJ stop him in one. or even trouble him much. too big a gulf in class and skill IMO.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑09 Aug 2022, 05:14

KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 Aug 2022, 22:41 if he just goes into beast mode from the first bell. High risk, but when he was like that in his early pro fights, he was lethal. A one round fire fight would be my game plan.

but it was against fighters so much slower than Usyk, I'm not sure the early performances give any indication whatsoever of how he might fare against Usyk. I mean, even if Usyk wasn't the boxer he is, on movement alone i'd give AJ a few rounds before he could close him down, just on Usyk making those big slow feet chase him. And he's Usyk.

he's gonna slap him silly again IMO, a one round fire fight would be nice but he would literally need Usyk to cooperate with him, stand and trade

if Usyk chooses to box I don't think there is a power on earth could make AJ stop him in one. or even trouble him much. too big a gulf in class and skill IMO.

Roger that CP
I get that most people don't think Joshua can do it. Heck I think his only chance is a hail Mary on a notorious slow starting Usyk. And yes, I understand his early career wins where he blasted guys out were at a massively lower level - but it is the power to do so that is my only point. Throw enough heavy leather and your bound to land, even if it's a Wilder Windmill
I'm slowly getting more interested in the fight as it gets closer.
After watching the first one, I really wasn't interested in what felt like a worse beatdown and stoppage in the rematch.
But hey, it's boxing, anything can happen

Joshua definitely can do it. Whether he has a trainer that c a n bring out his best is the question. Fat Andy made him lose his confidence. Should have taken a fight in-between, similar style.

Tbh Usyk has had his share of lackluster performances too.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑09 Aug 2022, 16:47

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑09 Aug 2022, 05:14

KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 Aug 2022, 22:41 if he just goes into beast mode from the first bell. High risk, but when he was like that in his early pro fights, he was lethal. A one round fire fight would be my game plan.

but it was against fighters so much slower than Usyk, I'm not sure the early performances give any indication whatsoever of how he might fare against Usyk. I mean, even if Usyk wasn't the boxer he is, on movement alone i'd give AJ a few rounds before he could close him down, just on Usyk making those big slow feet chase him. And he's Usyk.

he's gonna slap him silly again IMO, a one round fire fight would be nice but he would literally need Usyk to cooperate with him, stand and trade

if Usyk chooses to box I don't think there is a power on earth could make AJ stop him in one. or even trouble him much. too big a gulf in class and skill IMO.

Roger that CP
I get that most people don't think Joshua can do it. Heck I think his only chance is a hail Mary on a notorious slow starting Usyk. And yes, I understand his early career wins where he blasted guys out were at a massively lower level - but it is the power to do so that is my only point. Throw enough heavy leather and your bound to land, even if it's a Wilder Windmill
I'm slowly getting more interested in the fight as it gets closer.
After watching the first one, I really wasn't interested in what felt like a worse beatdown and stoppage in the rematch.
But hey, it's boxing, anything can happen

I think AJ is far more scared by what might happen if he lets his hands go and misses/gasses, than he is thinking about the opportunity side of the ledger.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑10 Aug 2022, 07:52

KiwiRider wrote: ↑09 Aug 2022, 16:47

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑09 Aug 2022, 05:14

but it was against fighters so much slower than Usyk, I'm not sure the early performances give any indication whatsoever of how he might fare against Usyk. I mean, even if Usyk wasn't the boxer he is, on movement alone i'd give AJ a few rounds before he could close him down, just on Usyk making those big slow feet chase him. And he's Usyk.

he's gonna slap him silly again IMO, a one round fire fight would be nice but he would literally need Usyk to cooperate with him, stand and trade

if Usyk chooses to box I don't think there is a power on earth could make AJ stop him in one. or even trouble him much. too big a gulf in class and skill IMO.

Roger that CP
I get that most people don't think Joshua can do it. Heck I think his only chance is a hail Mary on a notorious slow starting Usyk. And yes, I understand his early career wins where he blasted guys out were at a massively lower level - but it is the power to do so that is my only point. Throw enough heavy leather and your bound to land, even if it's a Wilder Windmill
I'm slowly getting more interested in the fight as it gets closer.
After watching the first one, I really wasn't interested in what felt like a worse beatdown and stoppage in the rematch.
But hey, it's boxing, anything can happen

I think AJ is far more scared by what might happen if he lets his hands go and misses/gasses, than he is thinking about the opportunity side of the ledger.

That's what makes this interesting.

Just what is Anthony Joshua planning to do?

Whatever he does do, I don't think he can use the same strategy he used in Ruiz 2.

Andy was overweight and slow on his feet, Usyk is not.

Isn't the correct strategy always to play to your own strengths and hope that they coincide with your opponent's weakness?

So the fight is not on DAZN? For now it seems like you can only watch it in the UK

Nice matches.

I don't actually expect Tyrone Spong to fight at all, most boxers just mention him to get some fame, but in the end, they all run away scared. Usyk as well btw, people now act like Tyrone can be blamed for that, but everybody involved knows that's a lie, including Usyk.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑09 Aug 2022, 05:14

KiwiRider wrote: ↑08 Aug 2022, 22:41 if he just goes into beast mode from the first bell. High risk, but when he was like that in his early pro fights, he was lethal. A one round fire fight would be my game plan.

but it was against fighters so much slower than Usyk, I'm not sure the early performances give any indication whatsoever of how he might fare against Usyk. I mean, even if Usyk wasn't the boxer he is, on movement alone i'd give AJ a few rounds before he could close him down, just on Usyk making those big slow feet chase him. And he's Usyk.

he's gonna slap him silly again IMO, a one round fire fight would be nice but he would literally need Usyk to cooperate with him, stand and trade

if Usyk chooses to box I don't think there is a power on earth could make AJ stop him in one. or even trouble him much. too big a gulf in class and skill IMO.

- If Usyk shows any more class and skills than in his first fight with AJ, the event crew is gonna have to shopVac Usyk's mug off the canvas for your growing Splatter Art Collection





It's like the ol'days when you monkeys was still green seeing your first fights jibjabbering each other in astonishment. I favor AJ who was on his way to a stoppage until Usyk landed a perfect shot that popped his eye in the 10th rd that sent up the Brook/Billy Joe shattered orbital panic.

AJ and Usyk have been the top heavies during their time in the paid ranks and I'm honored to have seen most of their fights, yet humored in my funny bone when I see the usual Peter Pan TinkerBell analogies on this site by presumedly growed men who should know better. Neither Usyk or AJ is the same fighter as last time, but more astonishingly, your monkeys in kind, Ring, has put up their 6 years of disgrace, their Blubber Fury Ring belt up for this fight after he shamelessly ducked the riches of AJ along with his little buddy in shame, the Bronzed Bambi.

The shame of the shameless may be boundless, but praise the heavens above we have a real fighter willing to man up to AJ for a great fight.

Has to be Usyk again. AJ had become too accustomed to trying to play the part of a 'boxer' rather than a 'fighter' following on from the Ruiz shock. His jab worked well against the bloated Ruiz in the rematch and against Pulev with his wide armed defence. However, it played directly into Usyk's plans with Usyk batting the jab down with his right and countering over the top. Usyk's tight defence, with his gloves constantly held high, reminds me a bit of Winky Wright, but with a lot more lateral movement and footwork. It's usually quantity of punches and constant aggression that works best against these type of tight defense boxers. AJ would run the risk of gassing himself out if he went down that route, and he would know that in the back of his mind.

I just don't see AJ having the mental fortitude to go in there with the actual belief that he'll win. At the point in the first fight when he needed to let it all hang out and go for it, he was found wanting, albeit against a master boxer who'd already figured him out. He just seems so programmed nowadays, from the way he talks to the way he fights. This fight needs the sort of attitude he carried when going in against Whyte. Willing to mix it up, verbally, mentally and physically. The doubts placed there from the Ruiz fight seem to suggest that won't happen though. His new corner team have a helluva lot of work to do.

I see old Boreton is trotting out the pic of a cut up Usyk in a desperate attempt to justify his horribly wrong pick of AJ winning the first fight again
I see he's also favoured AJ for this fight. So, despite all i've written above, my pick of Usyk by late stoppage is actually based on Boreton picking AJ again. You'd think by his age a person would have formed some sense of humility rather than running around like a screaming child after getting something wrong. Apparently not though. The shame of the shameless, oh the irony.
Looking forward to his repeat performance after another Usyk repeat performance.

Rage on the Red Sea. Sounds a bit hormonal.

The Gratest wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 14:50 Rage on the Red Sea. Sounds a bit hormonal.

Yeh. It does.

Rage and then the sea is red.

Hmm..

What would you have called it?

Fight Week!!

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 15:30

The Gratest wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 14:50 Rage on the Red Sea. Sounds a bit hormonal.

Yeh. It does.

Rage and then the sea is red.

Hmm..

What would you have called it?

Saudi Sellout?
No beers, no queers, no thanks?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 16:47

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 15:30

The Gratest wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 14:50 Rage on the Red Sea. Sounds a bit hormonal.

Yeh. It does.

Rage and then the sea is red.

Hmm..

What would you have called it?

Saudi Sellout?
No beers, no queers, no thanks?

I was thinking something like. "Money over Morals" or "Anything for a buck"

tiny_acres wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 16:58

KiwiRider wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 16:47

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 15:30

Yeh. It does.

Rage and then the sea is red.

Hmm..

What would you have called it?

Saudi Sellout?
No beers, no queers, no thanks?

I was thinking something like. "Money over Morals" or "Anything for a buck"

Money over Morals.
I like that one.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 15:30

The Gratest wrote: ↑14 Aug 2022, 14:50 Rage on the Red Sea. Sounds a bit hormonal.

Yeh. It does.

Rage and then the sea is red.

Hmm..

What would you have called it?

Just Deserts
Jeddah Force
Mild Contretemp on the Red Sea
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