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There should be a warning before listening to any Wilder rant- have a couple of cotton buds handy to clear the crap from your ears.

wilder still being a crybaby about fury, every other topic he was reasonable enough, but asking him about fury turned him extra stupid

what was wilder saying?

sumthin deep down just won't let me click that link confidently.

obviously my delicate brain intuitively trying to protect itself from harm.

I am absolutely positive there is nothing I want to hear or would have anything to learn from watching this vid.

Wilder continues to embarrass himself as he falls from grace.

This only now needs Helenius to finish the job.

Unless things change dramatically Wilder's entire career is heading for the tag line - hype job.

Nevertheless, it has been a carefully managed considerable financial success, with the only missed opportunity being the loss of the AJ fight.

Beating Helenius won't change anything, but if he's convincing, it keeps his fans happy.

In a better boxing world, Fury will fight AJ next (no rematch clause) and the winner will fight Usyk.

Wilder could fight Usyk in the meantime.

Now that might be something to see.

Instead we get a ridiculous situation where the best heavyweight in a generation is without any opponents.

Boxing titles and belts already mean very little to the fans. They don't seem to mean much the fighters either.

Perhaps AJ should have dumped all the belts out of the right that night?

The sanctioning bodies need to be concerned.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑09 Sep 2022, 10:42 Wilder continues to embarrass himself as he falls from grace.

This only now needs Helenius to finish the job.

Unless things change dramatically Wilder's entire career is heading for the tag line - hype job.

Nevertheless, it has been a carefully managed considerable financial success, with the only missed opportunity being the loss of the AJ fight.

Beating Helenius won't change anything, but if he's convincing, it keeps his fans happy.

In a better boxing world, Fury will fight AJ next (no rematch clause) and the winner will fight Usyk.

Wilder could fight Usyk in the meantime.

Now that might be something to see.

Instead we get a ridiculous situation where the best heavyweight in a generation is without any opponents.

Boxing titles and belts already mean very little to the fans. They don't seem to mean much the fighters either.

Perhaps AJ should have dumped all the belts out of the right that night?

The sanctioning bodies need to be concerned.

Curious, how much credit would you give Wilder if he KO'd Usyk?
Lucky punch credit?

Bandog wrote: ↑09 Sep 2022, 20:16

Thomastearns wrote: ↑09 Sep 2022, 10:42 Wilder continues to embarrass himself as he falls from grace.

This only now needs Helenius to finish the job.

Unless things change dramatically Wilder's entire career is heading for the tag line - hype job.

Nevertheless, it has been a carefully managed considerable financial success, with the only missed opportunity being the loss of the AJ fight.

Beating Helenius won't change anything, but if he's convincing, it keeps his fans happy.

In a better boxing world, Fury will fight AJ next (no rematch clause) and the winner will fight Usyk.

Wilder could fight Usyk in the meantime.

Now that might be something to see.

Instead we get a ridiculous situation where the best heavyweight in a generation is without any opponents.

Boxing titles and belts already mean very little to the fans. They don't seem to mean much the fighters either.

Perhaps AJ should have dumped all the belts out of the right that night?

The sanctioning bodies need to be concerned.

Curious, how much credit would you give Wilder if he KO'd Usyk?
Lucky punch credit?

I can answer this. The forum haters would say that Usyk was over rated and Wilder was still a bum.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑09 Sep 2022, 21:12

Bandog wrote: ↑09 Sep 2022, 20:16

Thomastearns wrote: ↑09 Sep 2022, 10:42 Wilder continues to embarrass himself as he falls from grace.

This only now needs Helenius to finish the job.

Unless things change dramatically Wilder's entire career is heading for the tag line - hype job.

Nevertheless, it has been a carefully managed considerable financial success, with the only missed opportunity being the loss of the AJ fight.

Beating Helenius won't change anything, but if he's convincing, it keeps his fans happy.

In a better boxing world, Fury will fight AJ next (no rematch clause) and the winner will fight Usyk.

Wilder could fight Usyk in the meantime.

Now that might be something to see.

Instead we get a ridiculous situation where the best heavyweight in a generation is without any opponents.

Boxing titles and belts already mean very little to the fans. They don't seem to mean much the fighters either.

Perhaps AJ should have dumped all the belts out of the right that night?

The sanctioning bodies need to be concerned.

Curious, how much credit would you give Wilder if he KO'd Usyk?
Lucky punch credit?

I can answer this. The forum haters would say that Usyk was over rated and Wilder was still a bum.

Regardless of Wilder's future, Thomastearns is not be taken seriously on the subject.

Bandog wrote: ↑09 Sep 2022, 20:16

Thomastearns wrote: ↑09 Sep 2022, 10:42 Wilder continues to embarrass himself as he falls from grace.

This only now needs Helenius to finish the job.

Unless things change dramatically Wilder's entire career is heading for the tag line - hype job.

Nevertheless, it has been a carefully managed considerable financial success, with the only missed opportunity being the loss of the AJ fight.

Beating Helenius won't change anything, but if he's convincing, it keeps his fans happy.

In a better boxing world, Fury will fight AJ next (no rematch clause) and the winner will fight Usyk.

Wilder could fight Usyk in the meantime.

Now that might be something to see.

Instead we get a ridiculous situation where the best heavyweight in a generation is without any opponents.

Boxing titles and belts already mean very little to the fans. They don't seem to mean much the fighters either.

Perhaps AJ should have dumped all the belts out of the right that night?

The sanctioning bodies need to be concerned.

Curious, how much credit would you give Wilder if he KO'd Usyk?
Lucky punch credit?

It'd make Wilder arguably the second best man of his era behind Fury. A win is a win after all. Kind of like how George Foreman was losing every moment of his fight with Michael Moorer before the knockout came.

Personally I always thought because Wilder was so tall, with good hand speed, and of course tremendous hitting power combined with that reckless Max Baer style of his that it made him arguably the most dangerous man in the division to where he would be the only one to ever present any real problems to Tyson Fury.

Everybody else in the division including Usyk is either "by the book" or rely on one particular thing (in Usyk's case his speed) and that simply does not work more times than not against world class pressure fighters or world class adaptable fighters.

Fury is very adaptable and has also proven himself to be a fully capable pressure fighter--- and Wilder has demonstrated either tremendous heart or ridiculously high self belief where you have to practically kill him to get him to stop coming at you.

Usyk is an all-time great already simply on the basis of him being one of the top two or three greatest cruiserweights of all time, but him defeating Joshua twice who has the mobility of a skyscraper and already has confidence issues ever since Andy Ruiz to my mind is not as impressive as Fury basically demonstrating time and again no matter his up's or down's that he is still the man to beat in the division.

So if Wilder ever did fight the Ukrainian and defeated him whether it be the proverbial lucky punch or not it would certainly make Wilder the second best man of his era--- but I can't see that fight happening because there is simply too much interest in Fury-Usyk. There is far too much on the line to take any risks, so the Ukrainian will sit back and spend time with his family while the Tyson Fury show plays out.

Undercard Press Release

Two exciting high-stakes showdowns have been added to the jam-packed four-fight FOX Sports PBC Pay-Per-View event headlined by the return of former WBC Heavyweight World Champion Deontay “The Bronze Bomber” Wilder as he takes top-rated Robert “The Nordic Nightmare” Helenius on Saturday, October 15 from Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

The telecast will feature undefeated Cuban sensation Frank Sanchez battling Puerto Rican Olympian Carlos Negron in a 10-round heavyweight duel, while top bantamweight contenders Gary Antonio Russell and Emmanuel Rodriguez meet in a 12-round rematch opening the pay-per-view telecast at 9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT.

In the co-feature, former IBF Super Middleweight Champion Caleb “Sweet Hands” Plant faces two-time WBC Super Middleweight Champion Anthony “The Dog” Dirrell in a WBC Super Middleweight Title Eliminator between 168-pound rivals.

Tickets for the event, which is promoted by BombZquad Promotions and TGB Promotions, are on sale now and can be purchased through seatgeek.com and barclayscenter.com. Tickets are also available for purchase in-person at the American Express Box Office at Barclays Center.

An amateur standout from his native Cuba, Sánchez (20-0, 13 KOs) now trains in California with renowned trainer Joe Goossen. The 30-year-old has remained busy on his rise up the heavyweight rankings, scoring three victories in 2020 as he earned a unanimous decision over Joey Dawejko and stopped Brian Howard and Julian Fernandez. Sanchez caught boxing fan’s attention when he scored a career-best win in October 2021, dropping the previously unbeaten Efe Ajagba on his way to a unanimous decision victory. Sanchez kicked off the New Year with a 10-round decision triumph against Christian Hammer in his last fight.

The 2008 Puerto Rican Olympian Negron (25-3, 20 KOs) was scheduled to meet Sanchez on January 1 but had to withdraw from the fight after testing positive for COVID-19. Negron rides a five-fight winning streak into the match against Sanchez, including four wins by stoppage. The 34-year-old bounced back from defeats to Dominic Breazeale and Brian Howard to put together his win streak, which includes a March 2020 knockout over previously unbeaten Robert Alfonso. He scored an eight round unanimous decision over Scott Alexander in his last fight in May 2021. Negron has fought professionally since 2009 and now lives in Miami where he trains alongside Luis Ortiz.

The 29-year-old Russell (19-0, 12 KOs) originally met the former champion Rodriguez in August 2021, but an accidental clash of heads ended the fight as a no-contest before the first round was completed. The middle brother between WBC Featherweight Champion Gary Jr. and 2016 U.S. Olympian Gary Antuanne, Russell returned to the ring after the Rodriguez bout to earn a decision victory over Alexis Santiago in November 2021. Fighting out of Capitol Heights, Maryland, Russell also owns a decision victory over former world champion Juan Carlos Payano in December 2020.

Fighting out of Manati, Puerto Rico, Rodríguez (20-2, 13 KOs) has also added a victory since his first clash with Russell, knocking out Roberto Sanchez Cantu in March. The 30-year-old won the IBF Bantamweight World Title with a unanimous decision victory over Paul Butler in 2018 and successfully defended it against then-unbeaten Jason Moloney. Rodríguez went on to lose the title to unbeaten champion Naoya Inoue in their May 2019 title bout.

Robert Helenius discusses past sparring with Deontay Wilder and channeling “Viking spirit” for Oct. 15 fight

Robert Helenius refuses for his name to be tossed onto a scrap-heap of faded heavyweights.

The Finnish heavyweight has amassed a 31-3 (20 KO) record over 14 years as a professional heavyweight, and tells Bad Left Hook that he has found a new love for boxing ahead of his Oct. 15 fight against a returning Deontay Wilder.

“I’ve gone back to my roots,” Helenius explains, deep in camp on Åland Island, in the middle of the Baltic Sea. “Life is simpler out here. I have my own gym and I can train whenever I want.

“Plus, I am also left alone. The population is only around 25,000 here, so people soon get bored of spotting me and saying hello,” he adds with a laugh.

“I’m channeling that Viking spirit,” he continued. “I’ve made such a commitment to eating properly over the last couple of years and I’m beginning to see a massive difference. I’ve cut out all carbs and focused on eating meats and eggs; I guess you could say Rocky-style. It seems to suit my body, which would make sense as that’s what all my ancestors would have eaten.”

Helenius speaks calmly and with an unmistakable confidence. His 6’7” frame aids this self-assurance, but he hasn’t always been able to hold his head high in the sport. Unlikely back-to-back victories over Adam Kownacki have seen his stock rise immeasurably following a career of scattered opportunities, some in boxing’s wilderness across Europe.

“It’s been a tough road for me in the sport,” he continued. “I have had plenty of ups and downs over 25 years, amateur and pro, but this fight gives me the opportunity to move a step closer to what I’ve always dreamed of: fighting for a heavyweight world title. We’re making sure that everything is right for this fight. I can’t let an opportunity like this pass without giving 100 percent.”

Helenius is no stranger to Deontay Wilder. The pair have shared numerous rounds of sparring prior to the “Bronze Bomber’s” trilogy fights with Tyson Fury, and if it wasn’t for their upcoming fight, would consider themselves friends. This familiarity also extends to the American’s dynamite right hand; something that Helenius has had first-hand experience in receiving.

“I’ve tried a couple of those; I don’t plan to try any more. They are explosive. But we’ve done a lot in this camp to try and help avoid getting hit by one of his big shots and, to be honest, that’s what my best attributes are in general. We’ve worked a lot on head movement, reaction time, and footwork. This is what enabled me to be so successful as an amateur so it comes pretty naturally to me.

“But Deontay is a good dude. We’ve shared plenty of good moments in camps, but he knows as well as I do that it’s purely business now. I’m not that kind of guy that is going to talk smack about another fighter, anyway. But I am happy to turn my emotions off and show aggression inside the ring.”

If irons sharpen irons, then Helenius’ tools should be well honed. He has shared previous camps with Wladimir Klitschko, Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua, and David Haye, as well as gaining priceless experience from over 250 amateur fights across the globe. He is the definition of seasoned and is a true believer that heavyweights can reach their peak at a mature age.

“I’m ready to bring my A-game,” he said. “Being an underdog has always suited me. It fires me up way more than when I am in danger of overlooking an opponent. The adrenaline will be pumping like never before on Saturday and that will help me.

“Aggression is going to be key in this fight. I am going to need to push Deontay forward and not let him dictate the pace. He is an excellent boxer; he has shown this time and time again.”

Wilder hasn’t fought since a second loss to Tyson Fury in October last year. His record now reads 42-2-1 (41 KO), with the “Gypsy King” holding the mantle of the only fighter that Wilder hasn’t been able to keep glued to the canvas as a professional. But Helenius doesn’t feel that these back-to-back losses will overly affect the mindset of the Alabama fighter.

“I’m preparing as if Wilder is still unbeaten,” he insists. “I don’t believe the Fury fights will have taken too much out of him. Plus, he was able to show real improvements in the third fight. I’m in the best shape of my life, and due to my conditioning, I should be able to stay fully switched on for the whole 12 rounds, something that other fighters have struggled with against Wilder.

“If anything, he has shown a real toughness in his last two fights with Fury, something that we didn’t really know prior to that, so I am going to have to be prepared for this. At the end of the day, Wilder is just another obstacle in the way of me achieving my dream.”

Helenius is convinced that he has put in all the necessary work to end their contest inside the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, as the victor. A dedicated schedule of a morning eight kilometre run and afternoon boxing work is bookended by the devouring of a “kilogram of meat,” and his ability to avoid any serious injuries for the first time in his career is unearthing new benefits.

But whatever the result, Helenius is in the business of squeezing as much life out of his career as possible.

“There are plenty of good years left in me,” he says with conviction.

Life is sweet for the “Nordic Nightmare,” and his refusal to drink in the Last Chance Saloon is what makes him a live underdog against Wilder.

Wilder has been mouthing off about how he is a shoe in for the HOF
Eddie was asked about it, and gave a bit of a reality check to Wilder about his rather lacklustre reign.
And finished of with this lovely bit:

“If he beats Robert Helenius, then definitely he should go in the Hall of Fame, yeah,” Hearn cracked. “Robert Helenius who Dillian Whyte won every round against Robert Helenius. Robert Helenius who lost to Derek Chisora as well, by the way.”

dom b and blobby bermane are among the best 3 guys wilder's beaten

My pick is Wilder by KO, but this is gonna be a fun one because one way or the other it's gonna be a KO and it's gonna be a KO within 6.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 14:28 dom b and blobby bermane are among the best 3 guys wilder's beaten

Father Time was unbeaten since his sparring days with Jack Johnson

The price has been confirmed!

$74.99 !!

Same as Ruiz-Ortiz.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 18:21 The price has been confirmed!

$74.99 !!

Same as Ruiz-Ortiz.

Ridiculous.

oogiebe wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 21:52

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 18:21 The price has been confirmed!

$74.99 !!

Same as Ruiz-Ortiz.

Ridiculous.

It probably take place on FITE internationally.

Shame because Sky always picked up Wilder’s cards.

Mostly because there was always that potential fight against AJ.

That fight seems so far away.

I've a feeling Wilder is going to get done here.

His chin looked pretty vulnerable in the Fury fight, and if Helenius can force him backward, good chance he gets his lights turned out.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 05:30 I've a feeling Wilder is going to get done here.

His chin looked pretty vulnerable in the Fury fight, and if Helenius can force him backward, good chance he gets his lights turned out.

Wilder's record since his shameful firing of Mark Breland is plain to see for anyone.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 14:22 Wilder has been mouthing off about how he is a shoe in for the HOF

Some people always act like it's such a big deal to get inducted into the HOF.
You don't have to be SRR or FMM to be inducted.
If McGuigan and Johannsson can do it, than Wilder definitely can, too.

SendoTakeshi wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 11:43

KiwiRider wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 14:22 Wilder has been mouthing off about how he is a shoe in for the HOF

Some people always act like it's such a big deal to get inducted into the HOF.
You don't have to be SRR or FMM to be inducted.
If McGuigan and Johannsson can do it, than Wilder definitely can, too.

No doubt. I have the Hall of Fame book. I can see exactly who is and isn't in. The doors are definitely wider than a lot of people think, and Wilder with his 10 title defenses and having also been in 3 of the biggest Heavyweight fights of the era is already definitely in there. Even if he called it a career tomorrow.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 12:01

SendoTakeshi wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 11:43

KiwiRider wrote: ↑29 Sep 2022, 14:22 Wilder has been mouthing off about how he is a shoe in for the HOF

Some people always act like it's such a big deal to get inducted into the HOF.
You don't have to be SRR or FMM to be inducted.
If McGuigan and Johannsson can do it, than Wilder definitely can, too.

No doubt. I have the Hall of Fame book. I can see exactly who is and isn't in. The doors are definitely wider than a lot of people think, and Wilder with his 10 title defenses and having also been in 3 of the biggest Heavyweight fights of the era is already definitely in there. Even if he called it a career tomorrow.

he might get in as one of the weakest inductees ever, but he's certainly not a shoe -in if he retired today

the quality of his wins is pretty dreadful in hof context, no matter if he has 45 wins or 450 of them. sure, some other weak record guys get in, but LOTS of better guys dont. i dont think wilder's ever been especially highly rated by most boxing writers/insiders either, and of those 3 big fights he won 0 of them

mcguigan btw had a win far far better than any of wilders, beating a long reigning atg champ

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 12:03

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 12:01

SendoTakeshi wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 11:43

Some people always act like it's such a big deal to get inducted into the HOF.
You don't have to be SRR or FMM to be inducted.
If McGuigan and Johannsson can do it, than Wilder definitely can, too.

No doubt. I have the Hall of Fame book. I can see exactly who is and isn't in. The doors are definitely wider than a lot of people think, and Wilder with his 10 title defenses and having also been in 3 of the biggest Heavyweight fights of the era is already definitely in there. Even if he called it a career tomorrow.

he might get in as one of the weakest inductees ever, but he's certainly not a shoe -in if he retired today

the quality of his wins is pretty dreadful in hof context, no matter if he has 45 wins or 450 of them. sure, some other weak record guys get in, but LOTS of better guys dont. i dont think wilder's ever been especially highly rated by most boxing writers/insiders either, and of those 3 big fights he won 0 of them

mcguigan btw had a win far far better than any of wilders, beating a long reigning atg champ

He'll get in, and he is a Shoe-In.

I'm no big fan of Wilder, but if you read through that book, you'll find virtually unknown guys who were World Champion Flyweights from Korea. You've never heard of them, I've never heard of them, most Boxing fans have never heard of them, but they made 10 or so title defenses of a title at Flyweight so they're in.

Wilder's 10 title defenses puts him in. Even if he did nothing else.

Add to that the fact that he's not done, and will likely get at least 1 or 2 more significant wins before it's over, and yeah he's going in the Hall. You can take it to the Bank.