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Tyson too big for him

DrDuke wrote: ↑21 Aug 2022, 11:12 The Gypsy King is better than Usyk in boxing and also he can impose a rought fight on anyone, so Usyk's chances are miserable.

“Better than Usyk in boxing”
So wrong on almost every level

The size, roughness and awkwardness. Yes. Plus Tyson can box a fair bit too. (Pure boxing acumen though. Usyk takes it)

I’d go with Fury UD. Close scorecards. Size will matter in this match up. Usyk is not without a good chance though. If he does have success. Expect him to capitalise where Cunningham, Schwarz, Wilder we’re unable to. Usyk is levels above these guys.

A lot would depend on what the referee allows also.
Stopping Fury grabbing/holding and laying on Usyk would make it a pure boxing match which would increase Usyks chances loads.

ewenhay wrote: ↑21 Aug 2022, 07:58

joshj909 wrote: ↑21 Aug 2022, 07:23 If Usyk beats Fury, where does this out him all time amongst the big guys?

Likewise for Fury, where would it put him?

Brings Usyk closer to Holyfield. But still behind.

Brings Fury closer to Lewis. But still behind.

Agree on Fury/Lewis but Usyk is right up on Holyfield already in my opinion. Back to back wins over AJ and a win over Fury would be huge for Usyk. Holyfield and Usyk's respective cruiserweight runs are neck and neck. Go back and look at Holyfield's wins at cruiser.

Also, Holyfield was jacked to the absolute gills during his peak heavyweight years. A warrior no doubt but huge question marks due to his relentless steroid usage. I've seen it said that Holyfield "smashes" Usyk and even that Johnny Nelson beats Usyk. Both comments utter rubbish imo, especially the latter.

si7dog7 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 16:39

DrDuke wrote: ↑21 Aug 2022, 11:12 The Gypsy King is better than Usyk in boxing and also he can impose a rought fight on anyone, so Usyk's chances are miserable.

“Better than Usyk in boxing”
So wrong on almost every level

The size, roughness and awkwardness. Yes. Plus Tyson can box a fair bit too. (Pure boxing acumen though. Usyk takes it)

I’d go with Fury UD. Close scorecards. Size will matter in this match up. Usyk is not without a good chance though. If he does have success. Expect him to capitalise where Cunningham, Schwarz, Wilder we’re unable to. Usyk is levels above these guys.

Usyk is more polished and technical in boxing, but Fury is more diverse.

Fury has a chance at undisputed and a chance to properly be the king of the heavyweights. I think everyone here knows usyk will be reasonable, so it’s on fury, does he want history or is he scared.

within 7 days, fvck off, Tyson.

Ha! Fury is a great negotiator. Sounds like the fight will be the 17th December 2022.

Fury is too big and too mobile, surely?

It'll be an ugly fight, if it happens.

Theb Wilder fights have, I think, flattered Fury somewhat. The big lad's got skills, obviously, but he's normally far more entertaining outside of the ring than in it.

Fury’s interview on talkSPORT this morning was a complete embarrassment.

Rambling on about Usyk being a ‘foreigner,’ a Ukrainian nobody and going off on some weird tangent about Usyk sucking on his mum's nipples.


Swore multiple times and contradicted himself every two seconds …. I don’t care about money, I’ll only fight for £500 million.

He sounded like he was on tilt. Actually, a lot like his dad. I fear for him when he doesn’t have boxing to gain attention.

I am beginning to think Tyson will price himself out of a fight with AJ.

I have no evidence but I think Fury v AJ is more likely.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Aug 2022, 07:18

Fury is imploding - the years of building up the image - being destroyed a lot quicker.
He is increasingly drawing negative comments now more are seeing his BS and contradictions

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Aug 2022, 07:18

I wish Tyson had gone full Alan Partridge with that quote - “Floyd Mayweather got $400 million for Manny Pacquiao. I want $403 million for Usyk.”

I wonder if Fury is going into one without the discipline of fight camp.

He's literally contradicting himself every time he speaks.

He needs to turn it in, the endless need for attention is pretty pathetic.

I think its more a case of Aj and Usyk getting more attention than him at moment

all just part of the hype and build up by fury - even though there is no fight yet and he is retired anyway !
Hilarious character but basically full of BS .
I just struggle to see saudis coughing up enough cash for this despite its uniqueness in this era.
warren has confirmed that wbc have been told he will be keeping the belt so it has to happen surely .

Frostieballs wrote: ↑24 Aug 2022, 08:01 Fury’s interview on talkSPORT this morning was a complete embarrassment.

Rambling on about Usyk being a ‘foreigner,’ a Ukrainian nobody and going off on some weird tangent about Usyk sucking on his mum's nipples.


Swore multiple times and contradicted himself every two seconds …. I don’t care about money, I’ll only fight for £500 million.

He sounded like he was on tilt. Actually, a lot like his dad. I fear for him when he doesn’t have boxing to gain attention.

I love Tyson as a fighter but I’m disliking him more and more as the weeks go on. Completely contradicts himself all the time and talks rubbish.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Aug 2022, 13:40 I wonder if Fury is going into one without the discipline of fight camp.

He's literally contradicting himself every time he speaks.

He needs to turn it in, the endless need for attention is pretty pathetic.

He's training every day with Parker. Seemed to be sparring him and Bakolie today.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2022, 16:25

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Aug 2022, 13:40 I wonder if Fury is going into one without the discipline of fight camp.

He's literally contradicting himself every time he speaks.

He needs to turn it in, the endless need for attention is pretty pathetic.

He's training every day with Parker. Seemed to be sparring him and Bakolie today.

I wish he would just shut up for a moment then - it's bloody irritating, non stop cobblers.

Monzon83 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 16:04 It will be the best thing for boxing as a sport if Usyk beats Fury. Hopefully that will happen.

Why?

Spud wrote: ↑25 Aug 2022, 14:11

Monzon83 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 16:04 It will be the best thing for boxing as a sport if Usyk beats Fury. Hopefully that will happen.

Why?

Because Tyson, for all his ability and he has lots, a top boxer no doubt, is insufferable. I've had enough of him. Usyk is likeable and exceptional.

Sadly whoever wins, neither is going to be around at the top for long.

Tyson's in the cashing out phase of his career, and will probably fight once or twice more, Usyk is unlikely to stick around for more than one defence I'd imagine, and that would probably be a rematch with Fury if anything if he won.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑25 Aug 2022, 14:32 Sadly whoever wins, neither is going to be around at the top for long.

Tyson's in the cashing out phase of his career, and will probably fight once or twice more, Usyk is unlikely to stick around for more than one defence I'd imagine, and that would probably be a rematch with Fury if anything if he won.

Exactly, I think if we do end up with all of the belts unified then we may not even see a defence or at most one. Afterwards retirement a splintering of the belts…