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MasterG wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 02:35 I put a lot of classic British bouts along with a few US classics on the FB group Ex-Boxers. As there are a lot of ex pros on there I would post some of their fights.

I started to get reports from various sources again because of the music content on the ring walks. Most got removed and warnings given.

Waste of time trying to share footage now.

John wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 05:02 I can't understand why this isn't sinking in. The promoters own the rights to their product just like musicians/film makers own the rights to their product. How could promoters sell rights to broadcasters if they didnt own them in the first place ?
Can you go into a concert and record the music and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a theatre and record a play and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a cinema and record a film and think you own the rights to it ?
It's called piracy and it has been all over the news for the last 20 years or so.
Even photographers need to be pre approved and get a press pass. When I was promoting there was a photo agency called Action Sports. They would apply in advance and we would sign a waiver which gave them the rights to take photos in exchange for us having the right (for our own use) to any photo they took.
If you are filming the fights without a pre-agreement that is piracy and in the ultimate extreme you could be prosecuted civilly and criminally.

John wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 05:02 I can't understand why this isn't sinking in. The promoters own the rights to their product just like musicians/film makers own the rights to their product. How could promoters sell rights to broadcasters if they didnt own them in the first place ?
Can you go into a concert and record the music and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a theatre and record a play and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a cinema and record a film and think you own the rights to it ?
It's called piracy and it has been all over the news for the last 20 years or so.
Even photographers need to be pre approved and get a press pass. When I was promoting there was a photo agency called Action Sports. They would apply in advance and we would sign a waiver which gave them the rights to take photos in exchange for us having the right (for our own use) to any photo they took.
If you are filming the fights without a pre-agreement that is piracy and in the ultimate extreme you could be prosecuted civilly and criminally.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 07:33

John wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 05:02 I can't understand why this isn't sinking in. The promoters own the rights to their product just like musicians/film makers own the rights to their product. How could promoters sell rights to broadcasters if they didnt own them in the first place ?
Can you go into a concert and record the music and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a theatre and record a play and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a cinema and record a film and think you own the rights to it ?
It's called piracy and it has been all over the news for the last 20 years or so.
Even photographers need to be pre approved and get a press pass. When I was promoting there was a photo agency called Action Sports. They would apply in advance and we would sign a waiver which gave them the rights to take photos in exchange for us having the right (for our own use) to any photo they took.
If you are filming the fights without a pre-agreement that is piracy and in the ultimate extreme you could be prosecuted civilly and criminally.

Yep. John - unsurprisingly given all of his experience - summed it up perfectly in this and his previous post.

With Eric, there was a long term understanding and promoters essentially turned a blind eye in return for copies of videos. They would do this as the broadcaster never films the whole show/undercard fighters.

Of course, had Eric wanted to upload his videos he could have sought permission from the promoter (and the broadcaster they were tied to) but its pretty unlikely.

The best chance Eric had was using his amateur/small hall footage where there was no broadcaster and everything was a bit more relaxed. He even referenced this himself a few times on here. He had footage of a number of 'prospects' making their debuts who then went on to become champs (that no-one else filmed). He also had some amateur or early Naz footage.

stujones wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 10:33

Frostieballs wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 07:33

John wrote: ↑11 May 2023, 05:02 I can't understand why this isn't sinking in. The promoters own the rights to their product just like musicians/film makers own the rights to their product. How could promoters sell rights to broadcasters if they didnt own them in the first place ?
Can you go into a concert and record the music and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a theatre and record a play and think you own the rights to it ? Can you go into a cinema and record a film and think you own the rights to it ?
It's called piracy and it has been all over the news for the last 20 years or so.
Even photographers need to be pre approved and get a press pass. When I was promoting there was a photo agency called Action Sports. They would apply in advance and we would sign a waiver which gave them the rights to take photos in exchange for us having the right (for our own use) to any photo they took.
If you are filming the fights without a pre-agreement that is piracy and in the ultimate extreme you could be prosecuted civilly and criminally.

Yep. John - unsurprisingly given all of his experience - summed it up perfectly in this and his previous post.

With Eric, there was a long term understanding and promoters essentially turned a blind eye in return for copies of videos. They would do this as the broadcaster never films the whole show/undercard fighters.

Of course, had Eric wanted to upload his videos he could have sought permission from the promoter (and the broadcaster they were tied to) but its pretty unlikely.

The best chance Eric had was using his amateur/small hall footage where there was no broadcaster and everything was a bit more relaxed. He even referenced this himself a few times on here. He had footage of a number of 'prospects' making their debuts who then went on to become champs (that no-one else filmed). He also had some amateur or early Naz footage.

I think though with Eric would claim on here a bit more than that. He would at times, perhaps as a wind up, try to state that people couldn't trade DVDs - not because of the promoter but because he had an exclusive rights deal with the BBBoC - even for TV shows (not even using his camera, I don't think) and for BBBoC fights he couldn't attend.

Will be honest part of the reason I sought permission from Paul Boyce to film the Scott Gammer fights was because of this "exclusive deal with the BBBoC" for non televised shows that Eric used to mention - I also thought it was the correct thing to do. Shame my video skills was so crap.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑10 May 2023, 05:51 A good article on Eric in this weeks Boxing News.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 16:35

Just came across this. Great guy, pun unintended

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 17:40

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑20 May 2023, 16:35

Just came across this. Great guy, pun unintended

Is that the same KOTV which used to randomly be on tv at like 4am?