Redback Rasta wrote: ↑21 Jun 2023, 20:05
Eddie Hearn says he "hears a fight between Derek Chisora and former UFC heavyweight champion Francis Ngannou is possible on the Skills Challenge card in December in Saudi Arabia".
Chisora would stop him just like Ray Mercer annihilated Tim Sylvia.
Redback Rasta wrote: ↑21 Jun 2023, 20:05
Eddie Hearn says he "hears a fight between Derek Chisora and former UFC heavyweight champion Francis Ngannou is possible on the Skills Challenge card in December in Saudi Arabia".
Chisora would stop him just like Ray Mercer annihilated Tim Sylvia.
I suspect he would too.
Is it proper Marquis of Queensbury rules or are there some bullshit rules in there to help Ngannou out?
You do know Johnny stands by his “Bellew is technically better than Usyk” comment?
Carl Froch: " Fury is using money as an excuse to duck Uysk":
These are Fury's peers, who boxed at World level, and been involved in negotiations for big fights.
Froch had to take what he was given most of his career. He didn’t want to give Groves a fair price in the only fight he was involved in that truly crossed over. Johnny? You tell me his big fights.
Anyway, it’s the same old bollocks, just different names and sides.
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 22 Jun 2023, 16:34
by coneye
Can't quite understand what your getting at or where your coming from Mickey , Fury is definetly the flagship of heavyweight boxing but he's just unreliable , off tangent , hard to deal with , and seems to want not only easy fights but everything his own way , and still he's not fighting ,
Personaly i blame the WBC has well has him , they should just make him fight who they consider the next in line or strip him , but surely even you can see by now Tyson , Wilder and AJ are all has bad has each other with Tyson probably the worst ,
Myself personaly i've just lost all interest in the heavyweight division . You surely especielly having been one of Furys biggest fans and defenders must be getting sick of Him and his carryons ,, he just needs to be stripped or and ignored , then and only then will he fight a decent opponent
coneye wrote: ↑22 Jun 2023, 16:34
Can't quite understand what your getting at or where your coming from Mickey , Fury is definetly the flagship of heavyweight boxing but he's just unreliable , off tangent , hard to deal with , and seems to want not only easy fights but everything his own way , and still he's not fighting ,
Personaly i blame the WBC has well has him , they should just make him fight who they consider the next in line or strip him , but surely even you can see by now Tyson , Wilder and AJ are all has bad has each other with Tyson probably the worst ,
Myself personaly i've just lost all interest in the heavyweight division . You surely especielly having been one of Furys biggest fans and defenders must be getting sick of Him and his carryons ,, he just needs to be stripped or and ignored , then and only then will he fight a decent opponent
I’m not really coming from anywhere. It’s all crap.
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 23 Jun 2023, 11:27
by Ezzard
The Saudi carrot is stopping anything from happening. Nobody wants to do a Joe Joyce and risk losing out on that kind of money.
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 23 Jun 2023, 14:07
by Cask
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 22:17
I don't put Zionism in the same category as the others because it's not an ideology or a political stance. Zionism is merely the assertion that Israel is the historical ancestral home of the Jewish people, therefore they are entitled to that country in its entirety.
I see it as no different than Native Americans asserting that the whole of the United States of America is their's and their's alone. But for some reason people, mainly liberally inclined, see such things as somehow evil.
No, Zionism is very much a Jewish supremacy belief
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 23 Jun 2023, 14:10
by Cask
Ezzard wrote: ↑23 Jun 2023, 11:27
The Saudi carrot is stopping anything from happening. Nobody wants to do a Joe Joyce and risk losing out on that kind of money.
what happened to never forget, . fornicate, that oil money is a way to control the world
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 22:17
I don't put Zionism in the same category as the others because it's not an ideology or a political stance. Zionism is merely the assertion that Israel is the historical ancestral home of the Jewish people, therefore they are entitled to that country in its entirety.
I see it as no different than Native Americans asserting that the whole of the United States of America is their's and their's alone. But for some reason people, mainly liberally inclined, see such things as somehow evil.
No, Zionism is very much a Jewish supremacy belief
I rarely bite to utter fools on this Forum. It's been a source for me to learn more about the sport I've loved for 45 years and I've been on here for a long time.
I know you will will only answer my question with click bait of links, but could you try and articulate in your own actual words the link between Zionism and the current state of Israel?
Incidentally I'm not in any way pro-Israel, but I'm massively anti-Moron.
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 22:17
I don't put Zionism in the same category as the others because it's not an ideology or a political stance. Zionism is merely the assertion that Israel is the historical ancestral home of the Jewish people, therefore they are entitled to that country in its entirety.
I see it as no different than Native Americans asserting that the whole of the United States of America is their's and their's alone. But for some reason people, mainly liberally inclined, see such things as somehow evil.
No, Zionism is very much a Jewish supremacy belief
I rarely bite to utter fools on this Forum. It's been a source for me to learn more about the sport I've loved for 45 years and I've been on here for a long time.
I know you will will only answer my question with click bait of links, but could you try and articulate in your own actual words the link between Zionism and the current state of Israel?
Incidentally I'm not in any way pro-Israel, but I'm massively anti-Moron.
"Zionism is a Jewish State, not a state of Jews" according to one Zionist , and considering Arabs born in occupied Jerusalem don't get the same rights as a Jew who comes over from Brooklyn to live in the occupied territories
You wanna keep going?? You think Zionism is just the claim that Israel belongs to Israelies?? No, it's that Israel belongs to Jews, it is very much an eethno state
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 22:17
I don't put Zionism in the same category as the others because it's not an ideology or a political stance. Zionism is merely the assertion that Israel is the historical ancestral home of the Jewish people, therefore they are entitled to that country in its entirety.
I see it as no different than Native Americans asserting that the whole of the United States of America is their's and their's alone. But for some reason people, mainly liberally inclined, see such things as somehow evil.
No, Zionism is very much a Jewish supremacy belief
I rarely bite to utter fools on this Forum. It's been a source for me to learn more about the sport I've loved for 45 years and I've been on here for a long time.
I know you will will only answer my question with click bait of links, but could you try and articulate in your own actual words the link between Zionism and the current state of Israel?
Incidentally I'm not in any way pro-Israel, but I'm massively anti-Moron.
you don't have to be Pro-Israel, the Christendom know the Jews must return to the land of milk and honey to be judged by God as not real Christians and that's how the WASPS get into heaven
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 26 Jun 2023, 00:10
by Redback Rasta
This Saudi in December thing is just looking more and more rubbery as the weeks go by.
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 26 Jun 2023, 04:40
by Glass Joe
I don't know why they want to pay so much for the boxing. You only get the boxers over for a week or two, least with the footballers they are probably there for 2 years.
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 26 Jun 2023, 04:51
by big lennox
I also don't know why the Saudi event had to be in December? Could they not put it on in August/September/October etc?
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 26 Jun 2023, 15:24
by Cask
Glass Joe wrote: ↑26 Jun 2023, 04:40
I don't know why they want to pay so much for the boxing. You only get the boxers over for a week or two, least with the footballers they are probably there for 2 years.
Because it's still pocket change to them, a bit of fun almost, they are stupidly, rediculously sinfully rich
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 26 Jun 2023, 19:03
by tiny_acres
Have any of the fighters mentioned for December signed a contract for the Saudi deal?
Has Usyk, Joshua, Fury or Wilder signed any contract?
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 26 Jun 2023, 19:51
by Redback Rasta
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Jun 2023, 19:03
Have any of the fighters mentioned for December signed a contract for the Saudi deal?
Has Usyk, Joshua, Fury or Wilder signed any contract?
From what we are reading in the media, Joshua and Fury have not received a contract and Wilder is very unlikely to have. Usyk, hard to say? He is after all signed to the Saudis.
Re: So this Saudi deal....
Posted: 27 Jun 2023, 06:44
by Twinkle Toes
I believe the Saudis aren't sending contracts while they all plan to fight in the meantime.