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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 16:28 ya, much about quality of resume, but james toney is a higher ranking, more decorated cruiser than usyk according to you

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 22:59 obligatory posting whenever consistent alpy mentions usyk

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 15:26

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023, 10:23

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑06 Sep 2023, 13:55
Not one of these guys (Gassiev, Hunter, Bellew or Briedis) have ever been ranked in the Top 10 heavyweight in Ring Magazine's Annual Rankings. Hunter has never even made it as a Cruiserweight. And this has been in a very weak heavyweight era.

None of these guys are remotely close to Joe, Frazier, Ken Norton or Ron Lyle. Or even Chuvalo for that matter.
Usyk's resume as a hw is a joke compared to Foreman's.
Foreman's is easily Top 10. No reason for Usyk to be Top 50.

Got it.
Ring mag is what matters, not official rankings.

Ron lyle? Chuvalo? Hahaha

Of course foreman has a better resume nobody argued that

As long as I have been a member, On Boxrec History we have always gone by the Ring Ratings. What are supposed to do, go by the WBC or IBF or WBA? Come on.
Look at Dubois for the Usyk fight. The WBA magically makes him the #1 contender to hype up the fight. WBC, IBF, WBO don't even have the guy ranked at all.

Ron Lyle is a hahaha? Really? Ron Lyle ?
Usyk fights literally once a year, and who is it against? Daniel Dubois? Is stopping a guy like that like that in 9 rounds supposed to something in his favor?

The gigantic difference in resume is important. The resume is the proof. The resume is what actually happened when the fighters fought quality competition, not just some boxrec poster pontificating on the supposed qualities of their guy. Who usually wins between a guy who has proven himself against a lot of quality competition and one who hasn't? The proven guy. Foreman more than proved himself. Usyk, no.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 00:45

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 15:26

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑07 Sep 2023, 10:23

Got it.
Ring mag is what matters, not official rankings.

Ron lyle? Chuvalo? Hahaha

Of course foreman has a better resume nobody argued that

As long as I have been a member, On Boxrec History we have always gone by the Ring Ratings. What are supposed to do, go by the WBC or IBF or WBA? Come on.
Look at Dubois for the Usyk fight. The WBA magically makes him the #1 contender to hype up the fight. WBC, IBF, WBO don't even have the guy ranked at all.

Ron Lyle is a hahaha? Really? Ron Lyle ?
Usyk fights literally once a year, and who is it against? Daniel Dubois? Is stopping a guy like that like that in 9 rounds supposed to something in his favor?

The gigantic difference in resume is important. The resume is the proof. The resume is what actually happened when the fighters fought quality competition, not just some boxrec poster pontificating on the supposed qualities of their guy. Who usually wins between a guy who has proven himself against a lot of quality competition and one who hasn't? The proven guy. Foreman more than proved himself. Usyk, no.

There probably isn't a gigantic difference in terms of ability though as a lot of Foreman's opponents were basically the size of cruiserweights and Usyk fought in a strong era of cruiserweights. Its reasonable to favor Hunter over Lyle or Breidis over Moorer in actual fights.

Chuvalo, Frazier, Norton, Lyle and Moorer is not a deep heavyweight resume by any means.

oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 23:08

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 22:59 obligatory posting whenever consistent alpy mentions usyk

No mention of Sweet Pea Williams?? To me that was his funniest stuff.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 16:28 ya, much about quality of resume, but james toney is a higher ranking, more decorated cruiser than usyk according to you

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 16:31

oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 23:08

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 22:59 obligatory posting whenever consistent alpy mentions usyk

No mention of Sweet Pea Williams?? To me that was his funniest stuff.

Why don't you or your little buddy resurrect the post where I called Cleveland Williams "Sweet Pea" or said he silk or sweet or unhittable.
Might be hard since I never said those things.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 16:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 16:28 ya, much about quality of resume, but james toney is a higher ranking, more decorated cruiser than usyk according to you

Due to some information that I was aware of until recently, I have changed my tune with Usyk. I now rank him as the #1 cruiserweight of all time. Why? I was unaware of his gigantic win over Hunter. That is truly a game changer. You beat a guy of that caliber, you have to be the best.

Furthermore, I now have as the #1 hw. The guy beat Dubois. Dubois I tell you! What a huge win.

One more win over a no name, and he will be the best pound for pound fighter all time.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 09:42

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 00:45

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023, 15:26
As long as I have been a member, On Boxrec History we have always gone by the Ring Ratings. What are supposed to do, go by the WBC or IBF or WBA? Come on.
Look at Dubois for the Usyk fight. The WBA magically makes him the #1 contender to hype up the fight. WBC, IBF, WBO don't even have the guy ranked at all.

Ron Lyle is a hahaha? Really? Ron Lyle ?
Usyk fights literally once a year, and who is it against? Daniel Dubois? Is stopping a guy like that like that in 9 rounds supposed to something in his favor?

The gigantic difference in resume is important. The resume is the proof. The resume is what actually happened when the fighters fought quality competition, not just some boxrec poster pontificating on the supposed qualities of their guy. Who usually wins between a guy who has proven himself against a lot of quality competition and one who hasn't? The proven guy. Foreman more than proved himself. Usyk, no.

There probably isn't a gigantic difference in terms of ability though as a lot of Foreman's opponents were basically the size of cruiserweights and Usyk fought in a strong era of cruiserweights. Its reasonable to favor Hunter over Lyle or Breidis over Moorer in actual fights.

Chuvalo, Frazier, Norton, Lyle and Moorer is not a deep heavyweight resume by any means.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 16:47 Your argued a couple years ago he was a good defensive fighter. Thatcher brought up him getting dropped a lot. You said he wasnt in his prime when he got dropped

He made fun of you saying you equated williams with sweet pea.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 16:55 Ya, we should go with the fighter with the deeper resume of top opposition at the weight, shouldnt we. but just sometimes, not when it puts usyk ahead

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 17:02

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 16:47 Your argued a couple years ago he was a good defensive fighter. Thatcher brought up him getting dropped a lot. You said he wasnt in his prime when he got dropped

He made fun of you saying you equated williams with sweet pea.

I have never said he was anything like Pernell Witaker. Period.

Do you really think that is a fair representation of what I said about Williams?
We were really talking about Sonny Liston, and I mentioned several quality opponent's that Liston beat, including Williams. He brought up the amount of times that he got dropped/stopped.
I pointed out that the only guy who did this to Williams anywhere near Williams prime was drum roll please........ Sonny Liston, whom we were talking about.

He always ducks it when I bring that up. I never said he was anything like Pernell Witaker. Never said Williams was a great fighter.
Have never started a thread about Cleveland Williams,
margie has started at least 5 on Williams

We aren't even talking about Williams now and he is bringing him up.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 17:06

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 16:55 Ya, we should go with the fighter with the deeper resume of top opposition at the weight, shouldnt we. but just sometimes, not when it puts usyk ahead

The Hunter win seals the deal.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 17:03 i actually didnt bring him up, my man oogs did, but hey i wont pass up the opportunity

clevand 'the ducking duke' williams

clev 'the weaving wizard' williams

clev ' the georgia phantom' williams

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 17:07

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 17:02

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 16:47 Your argued a couple years ago he was a good defensive fighter. Thatcher brought up him getting dropped a lot. You said he wasnt in his prime when he got dropped

He made fun of you saying you equated williams with sweet pea.

I have never said he was anything like Pernell Witaker. Period.

Do you really think that is a fair representation of what I said about Williams?
We were really talking about Sonny Liston, and I mentioned several quality opponent's that Liston beat, including Williams. He brought up the amount of times that he got dropped/stopped.
I pointed out that the only guy who did this to Williams anywhere near Williams prime was drum roll please........ Sonny Liston, whom we were talking about.

He always ducks it when I bring that up. I never said he was anything like Pernell Witaker. Never said Williams was a great fighter.
Have never started a thread about Cleveland Williams,
margie has started at least 5 on Williams

We aren't even talking about Williams now and he is bringing him up.

Hes making fun of you dude
Just like we were all joking about kevin mcbride - nobody seriously thinks mcbride is any good he got blitzed by mike mollo

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 17:07

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 17:02

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 16:47 Your argued a couple years ago he was a good defensive fighter. Thatcher brought up him getting dropped a lot. You said he wasnt in his prime when he got dropped

He made fun of you saying you equated williams with sweet pea.

I have never said he was anything like Pernell Witaker. Period.

Do you really think that is a fair representation of what I said about Williams?
We were really talking about Sonny Liston, and I mentioned several quality opponent's that Liston beat, including Williams. He brought up the amount of times that he got dropped/stopped.
I pointed out that the only guy who did this to Williams anywhere near Williams prime was drum roll please........ Sonny Liston, whom we were talking about.

He always ducks it when I bring that up. I never said he was anything like Pernell Witaker. Never said Williams was a great fighter.
Have never started a thread about Cleveland Williams,
margie has started at least 5 on Williams

We aren't even talking about Williams now and he is bringing him up.

Hes making fun of you dude
Just like we were all joking about kevin mcbride - nobody seriously thinks mcbride is any good he got blitzed by mike mollo

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 17:09

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Sep 2023, 17:03 i actually didnt bring him up, my man oogs did, but hey i wont pass up the opportunity

clevand 'the ducking duke' williams

clev 'the weaving wizard' williams

clev ' the georgia phantom' williams

Please provide the list of all the guys that decked him during his prime. Hope this won't be one of those rare times where you duck an issue.

I know you have time to be on here 24/7. I don't got to. Can't wait to see your words of wisdom later.