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Posted: **29 Oct 2023, 15:30**

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 05:12 Fury has never been that good, has he. Anyone claiming he’s a genuine ATG heavyweight really needs to educate themselves.

Posted: **29 Oct 2023, 15:43**

polecateddy wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:11 You’d have to squint a bit to put David Tua in the top 50 of all-time heavies, but he would have smashed Fury and Ngganou like a piñata last night on peak form. He would have done Ngganou in two rounds early evening and come back for Fury at later in the night. Fury and Ngganou were rubbish if we comparing to actual world leading heavyweights in other eras.

Tua in 1997 was a seriously scary individual. It took a special performance from Ike Ibeabuchi to beat him.

Absolute beast in his own right was Ibeabuchi. Like a slightly crude version of Holyfield, but a stone heavier. Beast.

Posted: **29 Oct 2023, 17:15**

Kilburn wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:43
polecateddy wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:11 You’d have to squint a bit to put David Tua in the top 50 of all-time heavies, but he would have smashed Fury and Ngganou like a piñata last night on peak form. He would have done Ngganou in two rounds early evening and come back for Fury at later in the night. Fury and Ngganou were rubbish if we comparing to actual world leading heavyweights in other eras.
Tua in 1997 was a seriously scary individual. It took a special performance from Ike Ibeabuchi to beat him.

Absolute beast in his own right was Ibeabuchi. Like a slightly crude version of Holyfield, but a stone heavier. Beast.

It is frightening to think what Ibeabuchi would have done to Fury last night. It would have been like Ngganou's best flurry coming at him constantly for as long as Fury could last, which is probably 5 rounds.

Posted: **29 Oct 2023, 17:36**

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 05:12 Fury has never been that good, has he. Anyone claiming he’s a genuine ATG heavyweight really needs to educate themselves.

Yeah, but, like, Usyk turned down two fights with him and, like, so did Joshua.

Posted: **29 Oct 2023, 18:12**

polecateddy wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 17:15
Kilburn wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:43
polecateddy wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:11 You’d have to squint a bit to put David Tua in the top 50 of all-time heavies, but he would have smashed Fury and Ngganou like a piñata last night on peak form. He would have done Ngganou in two rounds early evening and come back for Fury at later in the night. Fury and Ngganou were rubbish if we comparing to actual world leading heavyweights in other eras.
Tua in 1997 was a seriously scary individual. It took a special performance from Ike Ibeabuchi to beat him.

Absolute beast in his own right was Ibeabuchi. Like a slightly crude version of Holyfield, but a stone heavier. Beast.
It is frightening to think what Ibeabuchi would have done to Fury last night. It would have been like Ngganou's best flurry coming at him constantly for as long as Fury could last, which is probably 5 rounds.

what a nonsense post. He couldn't beat prison, he achieved nothing and is a nonce.

Posted: **29 Oct 2023, 20:32**

splatting byrd in 5 and outslugging tua are good wins, prob better than any wilder win. right up there with wlad k's best wins and better than vitali's.

ya he was a nutjob, but in his short time around he did achieve notable results, so he wasnt just some unproven hype job. he showed a lot of talent - chin, power, big gas tank - at a high level. he was composed and educated with his pressure too. it's understandable why he's been such a big 'what if'

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 04:28**

The point with Ibeabuchi is, he’s one of a sizeable list of past heavyweights whom Fury would not have kept off him.

These guys were a different kind of human being.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 05:04**

That’s the point isn’t it. How many heavyweights of the past would have just walked through everything Fury has to offer and applied real pressure? There’s obviously an awful lot who would have given Fury a beat down if he turned up like he did the other night.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 05:10**

Both Fury & AJ are frauds when it comes to any kind of ATG conversation. AJ quit against the kid from Up and Fury lost to a debutant wrestler

These guys just had good timing, they caught the Klitchkos with 1 & half feet out the door and found success in the void they left a weak division. Had the Klitchko brothers been 10 years younger the 2 of them would've just been more Klitchko cannon fodder.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 05:44**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 20:32 splatting byrd in 5 and outslugging tua are good wins, prob better than any wilder win. right up there with wlad k's best wins and better than vitali's.

ya he was a nutjob, but in his short time around he did achieve notable results, so he wasnt just some unproven hype job. he showed a lot of talent - chin, power, big gas tank - at a high level. he was composed and educated with his pressure too. it's understandable why he's been such a big 'what if'

Ibeabuchi was a monster, never saw anybody stand and trade with Tua like that.

It seems quite probable that it also gave him brain damage, he started hallucinating and getting delusional thoughts soon after the fight.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 05:58**

It’s funny if you watch the Ibeabuchi v Tua fight with American commentary, they don’t even recognise it as a special fight. Yet these days there’s nothing like that in the heavyweight division.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 13:48**

Kilburn wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:43
polecateddy wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:11 You’d have to squint a bit to put David Tua in the top 50 of all-time heavies, but he would have smashed Fury and Ngganou like a piñata last night on peak form. He would have done Ngganou in two rounds early evening and come back for Fury at later in the night. Fury and Ngganou were rubbish if we comparing to actual world leading heavyweights in other eras.
Tua in 1997 was a seriously scary individual. It took a special performance from Ike Ibeabuchi to beat him.

Absolute beast in his own right was Ibeabuchi. Like a slightly crude version of Holyfield, but a stone heavier. Beast.

It took judges giving Ike rounds he didn't win to beat Tua. I always score that fight for Tua when I watch it.

Ike threw more punches, Tua landed harder ones.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 13:49**

polecateddy wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 17:15
Kilburn wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:43
polecateddy wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:11 You’d have to squint a bit to put David Tua in the top 50 of all-time heavies, but he would have smashed Fury and Ngganou like a piñata last night on peak form. He would have done Ngganou in two rounds early evening and come back for Fury at later in the night. Fury and Ngganou were rubbish if we comparing to actual world leading heavyweights in other eras.
Tua in 1997 was a seriously scary individual. It took a special performance from Ike Ibeabuchi to beat him.

Absolute beast in his own right was Ibeabuchi. Like a slightly crude version of Holyfield, but a stone heavier. Beast.
It is frightening to think what Ibeabuchi would have done to Fury last night. It would have been like Ngganou's best flurry coming at him constantly for as long as Fury could last, which is probably 5 rounds.

Ibeabuchi is a f*cking loser, and his legacy is that he's a f*cking loser.

I don't give him credit of "He could've" beat any Heavyweight.

I thought he didn't deserve the decision over Tua, and he showed what kinda human being he was afterward. F*ck that guy.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 14:28**

Are we as vitriolic with cuddly Mike Tyson? Ike was clearly off-the-hook nuts, but you can still ponder how he would have fared against other fighters than Bryd and Tua.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 14:49**

Would anyone be surprised if Ike was on something? He threw almost 1000 punches in that fight with Tua in 1997, a record for any HW fight in history. Considering he was built like a tank and almost 17 stone that is some feat!

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 14:56**

When you watch back videos of the 80’s and 90’s Goliath’s tearing into each other, it really highlights how boring heavyweight boxing is now.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 15:11**

Frostieballs wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 14:56 When you watch back videos of the 80’s and 90’s Goliath’s tearing into each other, it really highlights how boring heavyweight boxing is now.

Or how juiced up they were lol

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 15:17**

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 15:11
Frostieballs wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 14:56 When you watch back videos of the 80’s and 90’s Goliath’s tearing into each other, it really highlights how boring heavyweight boxing is now.

Or how juiced up they were lol

I think it’s more of a willingness to go out on their shield, rather than a safety first approach.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 15:35**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 13:48
Kilburn wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:43
polecateddy wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:11 You’d have to squint a bit to put David Tua in the top 50 of all-time heavies, but he would have smashed Fury and Ngganou like a piñata last night on peak form. He would have done Ngganou in two rounds early evening and come back for Fury at later in the night. Fury and Ngganou were rubbish if we comparing to actual world leading heavyweights in other eras.
Tua in 1997 was a seriously scary individual. It took a special performance from Ike Ibeabuchi to beat him.

Absolute beast in his own right was Ibeabuchi. Like a slightly crude version of Holyfield, but a stone heavier. Beast.
It took judges giving Ike rounds he didn't win to beat Tua. I always score that fight for Tua when I watch it.

Ike threw more punches, Tua landed harder ones.

I don’t recall scoring it back in the day but I do remember being surprised / disappointed at how well Tua seemed to accept the defeat when interviewed afterwards, he said he wasn’t good enough on the night.

Like James Mc, I’ve often pondered as to whether this fight was the route cause of Ike’s demise, if anything is going to cause some sort of neurological holocaust, it’s a brutal battle like that.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 15:43**

We’re certainly over that hump now where routinely on this forum people would declare Joshua, Fury, Wilder and Usyk as better than Holyfield, Bowe, sometimes even Lewis. There’s a harsh dose of reality now that clearly they aren’t made of that special stuff. It’s just a bad era end of story!

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 15:58**

We had some people saying Fury would beat Ali ffs

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 16:02**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 13:49
polecateddy wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 17:15
Kilburn wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:43

Tua in 1997 was a seriously scary individual. It took a special performance from Ike Ibeabuchi to beat him.

Absolute beast in his own right was Ibeabuchi. Like a slightly crude version of Holyfield, but a stone heavier. Beast.
It is frightening to think what Ibeabuchi would have done to Fury last night. It would have been like Ngganou's best flurry coming at him constantly for as long as Fury could last, which is probably 5 rounds.
Ibeabuchi is a f*cking loser, and his legacy is that he's a f*cking loser.

I don't give him credit of "He could've" beat any Heavyweight.

I thought he didn't deserve the decision over Tua, and he showed what kinda human being he was afterward. F*ck that guy.

Not a fan?

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 16:05**

Kilburn wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 15:35
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 13:48
Kilburn wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:43

Tua in 1997 was a seriously scary individual. It took a special performance from Ike Ibeabuchi to beat him.

Absolute beast in his own right was Ibeabuchi. Like a slightly crude version of Holyfield, but a stone heavier. Beast.
It took judges giving Ike rounds he didn't win to beat Tua. I always score that fight for Tua when I watch it.

Ike threw more punches, Tua landed harder ones.
I don’t recall scoring it back in the day but I do remember being surprised / disappointed at how well Tua seemed to accept the defeat when interviewed afterwards, he said he wasn’t good enough on the night.

Like James Mc, I’ve often pondered as to whether this fight was the route cause of Ike’s demise, if anything is going to cause some sort of neurological holocaust, it’s a brutal battle like that.

Read a great article about him some years back, the timeliness suggested there could well have been mood altering brain damage

There's been many cases of American footballers who committed violent crimes against their own families as a result of degenerative brain damage from repeated microconcussions.

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 16:10**

Killer Inside: The Mind of Aaron Hernandez Is a good one to watch of Netflix. Shows how much off the rails people can go with that sort of brain injury. Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE).

Posted: **30 Oct 2023, 16:38**

polecateddy wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 16:10 Killer Inside: The Mind of Aaron Hernandez Is a good one to watch of Netflix. Shows how much off the rails people can go with that sort of brain injury. Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE).

thanks, going to give it a watch.

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