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BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:10

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:04 Strange how Doofus thinks that only three or four of us on the forum aren't Fury fans. The poll says otherwise.

That’s the number of obsessives that post daily bile about Fury.
After every post of mine I get a notification that you have replied.
Perhaps, like AJ, you need a girlfriend.

So all 66 people who voted for Usyk are all 'obsessives that post daily bile about Fury'?

Just the ones that troll my every post.

Post something about boxing then instead of repetitive AJ / Usyk trolling. You seem incapable of doing so.

skanksta wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:07 The Gypsy King.

I like Usyk a lot, but a big win for TGK makes a bona fide legend ATG type HW.
Usyk would become that too, but only for boxing nerds like us on here - no crossover, legend, cool name etc.

I'm not sure Fury would become an ATG. Usyk would, but only because he's a two weight world champ.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:56

skanksta wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:07 The Gypsy King.

I like Usyk a lot, but a big win for TGK makes a bona fide legend ATG type HW.
Usyk would become that too, but only for boxing nerds like us on here - no crossover, legend, cool name etc.

I'm not sure Fury would become an ATG. Usyk would, but only because he's a two weight world champ.

He beat the man, beat all the major challengers and reigned for a while.
Defo in the HOF and ahead of Iron Mike in the ATG HWs...

skanksta wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 14:08

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:56

skanksta wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:07 The Gypsy King.

I like Usyk a lot, but a big win for TGK makes a bona fide legend ATG type HW.
Usyk would become that too, but only for boxing nerds like us on here - no crossover, legend, cool name etc.

I'm not sure Fury would become an ATG. Usyk would, but only because he's a two weight world champ.

He beat the man, beat all the major challengers and reigned for a while.
Defo in the HOF and ahead of Iron Mike in the ATG HWs...

si7dog7 wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 14:21

skanksta wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 14:08

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:56

I'm not sure Fury would become an ATG. Usyk would, but only because he's a two weight world champ.

He beat the man, beat all the major challengers and reigned for a while.
Defo in the HOF and ahead of Iron Mike in the ATG HWs...

I apologise. I shouldn’t laugh at someone I don’t know but I can laugh with them, hopefully.
Can i ask though?
Who are these major challengers he beat? I’m scratching my head.
An ATG? In the words of Jim Royal “me arse he is!”
But to put him above Mike Tyson. Put the crack pipe down fgs!

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:34 Just the ones that troll my every post.

You were the one that replied to my post. It ain't my fault.

He beat the man, beat all the major challengers and reigned for a while.

If we look at the better known `major challengers' since Fury came back after his doping ban in 2018 we see he faced only one `major challenger` ... whyte whilst mandatory was seriously shop worn as Povetkin demonstrated.


Wilder - Yep
Whyte - Yep

Joshua - Nope
Ruiz - Nope
Ortiz - Nope
Parker - Nope
Povetkin - Nope
Pulev - Nope
Joyce - Nope
Zhang - Nope
Hrgovic - Nope
Usyk - Nope

big lennox wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 18:24 Interesting to hear John H Stracey's thoughts, as well as Carl Froch's, Spencer Oliver's and Adam Catterall's.

It was far from interesting hearing yourself and the Knitting Circle telling us every day for 8 months that Fury was too afraid to ever fight Usyk.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:27

big lennox wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 18:24 Interesting to hear John H Stracey's thoughts, as well as Carl Froch's, Spencer Oliver's and Adam Catterall's.

It was far from interesting hearing yourself and the Knitting Circle telling us every day for 8 months that Fury was too afraid to ever fight Usyk.

Fury was too afraid to fight him on December 23rd.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:27

big lennox wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 18:24 Interesting to hear John H Stracey's thoughts, as well as Carl Froch's, Spencer Oliver's and Adam Catterall's.

It was far from interesting hearing yourself and the Knitting Circle telling us every day for 8 months that Fury was too afraid to ever fight Usyk.

Doofy
Please comment on tonyevs salient data two posts above.
Please, if you can.

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:38

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:27

big lennox wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 18:24 Interesting to hear John H Stracey's thoughts, as well as Carl Froch's, Spencer Oliver's and Adam Catterall's.

It was far from interesting hearing yourself and the Knitting Circle telling us every day for 8 months that Fury was too afraid to ever fight Usyk.

Fury was too afraid to fight him on December 23rd.

It was the black eye that did it. To think he was calling out AJ after Usyk II. “No excuse, he’s match fit!”
A fighting man with a bruise. Diddums.
I use the word a lot. FU effin GAZI!

Snakeoil salesman on a par with Allegedly and Fady Eddie.

tonyevs wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:04

He beat the man, beat all the major challengers and reigned for a while.

If we look at the better known `major challengers' since Fury came back after his doping ban in 2018 we see he faced only one `major challenger` ... whyte whilst mandatory was seriously shop worn as Povetkin demonstrated.


Wilder - Yep
Whyte - Yep

Joshua - Nope
Ruiz - Nope
Ortiz - Nope
Parker - Nope
Povetkin - Nope
Pulev - Nope
Joyce - Nope
Zhang - Nope
Hrgovic - Nope
Usyk - Nope

They all ducked Fury.

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 16:56

tonyevs wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:04

He beat the man, beat all the major challengers and reigned for a while.

If we look at the better known `major challengers' since Fury came back after his doping ban in 2018 we see he faced only one `major challenger` ... whyte whilst mandatory was seriously shop worn as Povetkin demonstrated.


Wilder - Yep
Whyte - Yep

Joshua - Nope
Ruiz - Nope
Ortiz - Nope
Parker - Nope
Povetkin - Nope
Pulev - Nope
Joyce - Nope
Zhang - Nope
Hrgovic - Nope
Usyk - Nope

They all ducked Fury.

They all pretty much FLED to Poland, France , Beijing.Moscow, Auckland and……Watford.
The Douffy conspiracy

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:38

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:27

big lennox wrote: ↑19 Nov 2023, 18:24 Interesting to hear John H Stracey's thoughts, as well as Carl Froch's, Spencer Oliver's and Adam Catterall's.

It was far from interesting hearing yourself and the Knitting Circle telling us every day for 8 months that Fury was too afraid to ever fight Usyk.

Fury was too afraid to fight him on December 23rd.

You’re lying.
His promoter changed the date.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 17:59

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:38

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:27
It was far from interesting hearing yourself and the Knitting Circle telling us every day for 8 months that Fury was too afraid to ever fight Usyk.

Fury was too afraid to fight him on December 23rd.

You’re lying.
His promoter changed the date.

No lies there
Fury had facial injuries (black eye) plus was ridiculously overweight.
So Allegedly did the only thing he could do (through gritted teeth) and rescheduled with Usyk’s camp,

Doofy. You can’t troll for sh1t but just need to know?
Do you actually believe in the sh1t you’re shovelling?
?

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 17:59

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:38

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:27
It was far from interesting hearing yourself and the Knitting Circle telling us every day for 8 months that Fury was too afraid to ever fight Usyk.

Fury was too afraid to fight him on December 23rd.

You’re lying.
His promoter changed the date.

No. Fury is the boss. He has a legally binding agreement to fight Usyk on the 23rd. FURY, not his promoters, chose not to fight.

skanksta wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 14:08

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:56

skanksta wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 13:07 The Gypsy King.

I like Usyk a lot, but a big win for TGK makes a bona fide legend ATG type HW.
Usyk would become that too, but only for boxing nerds like us on here - no crossover, legend, cool name etc.

I'm not sure Fury would become an ATG. Usyk would, but only because he's a two weight world champ.

He beat the man, beat all the major challengers and reigned for a while.
Defo in the HOF and ahead of Iron Mike in the ATG HWs...

I don't really agree, Tyson blazed a trail like a force of nature, his brief peak shites all over anything that Fury has done.

Tyson ripped the titles from the other belt holders, most of whom were far more skilled that mpost in the current era.

Fury squeaked past an ancient Wlad - Tyson absolutely annihilated spinks, who was an ATG light heavyweight, top 5 for sure, and who had beaten Larry Holmes not once but twice at heavyweight; that's on a par with a victory over Usyk.

I rate Tyson around 6-8 usually, depending on mood, Ali, Foreman, Lewis, Liston, Louis ahead, maybe Marciano for his unbeaten record. Marcianos wins over Ezzard charles are chronically underrated, Charles was an ATG light heavyweight champ, and a contender with Spinks and Moore as the best ever, and a genuine heavyweight champion also.

There's cases for others too, that I cannot be arsed to go into here. You can rate him higher and lower depending on what you think. Frazier some rate above Mike, but personally I find him quite underwhelming, the victory over Ali, and a bunch of contenders is impressive, but he also never faced many of the most dangerous fighters that Ali did.

No chance does Fury's piss weak resume guarantee him leapfrogging Tyson in the ATG stakes.

Tyson Fury`s fight record at this time compares to Nik Valuev ... they both had a squeaky win over an ancient ATG ... a win over a very poor but name boxer. Couple of wins over guys best described as the easier gatekeepers` of that time. And thats about it.

And one plus Valuev has over Fury is that he actually looked as if he trained .. both spitefully ugly of course, but Valuev had the physique of a trained fighter.

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 18:14

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 17:59

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:38

Fury was too afraid to fight him on December 23rd.

You’re lying.
His promoter changed the date.

No. Fury is the boss. He has a legally binding agreement to fight Usyk on the 23rd. FURY, not his promoters, chose not to fight.

If there was a legally binding agreement in place why hasn't anybody involved in the contract enforced it? Tried to claim damages? Or even mentioned it in the media for that matter?

I'll tell you why. Because the agreement for December 23rd was dependent on how Fury came through the Ngannou fight.

Who said it was?

I'll answer that for you as well. Arum and Warren made it abundantly clear, numerous times and publicly before Fury-Ngannou, that the December 23rd date was dependent on how Fury came through the Ngannou fight.

You can pretend otherwise but you'll need to lie :OhYes:

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 04:24

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 18:14

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 17:59
You’re lying.
His promoter changed the date.

No. Fury is the boss. He has a legally binding agreement to fight Usyk on the 23rd. FURY, not his promoters, chose not to fight.

If there was a legally binding agreement in place why hasn't anybody involved in the contract enforced it? Tried to claim damages? Or even mentioned it in the media for that matter?

I'll tell you why. Because the agreement for December 23rd was dependent on how Fury came through the Ngannou fight.

Who said it was?

I'll answer that for you as well. Arum and Warren made it abundantly clear, numerous times and publicly before Fury-Ngannou, that the December 23rd date was dependent on how Fury came through the Ngannou fight.

You can pretend otherwise but you'll need to lie

I think that has been part of the fans frustration: the mixed messages. The 23rd December date was put out there, albeit with the caveat that it depends on how he got on against Ngannou.

Everyone expected him to blitz Ngannou so assumed the 23rd Date would happen, especially as Tyson himself said Uysk had to honour the 23rd December date. But he had a far harder fight than expected so the date was pushed back.

And when you factor in that Fury had a rematch clause with Klitschko which didn't get honoured, and then an agreement to fight Joshua had been reached, only to fight Wilder for a third time, its not hard to see why fans have lost a bit of confidence in Fury's desire to fight the best, and won't fully believe the Uysk fight is happening until they are in the ring together and the first bell has rung.

Objectively, if this was not Fury, and another fighter, you'd refrain from getting too excited about that fighter's announcements, surely?

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 04:24

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 18:14

BigDoofus wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 17:59
You’re lying.
His promoter changed the date.

No. Fury is the boss. He has a legally binding agreement to fight Usyk on the 23rd. FURY, not his promoters, chose not to fight.

If there was a legally binding agreement in place why hasn't anybody involved in the contract enforced it? Tried to claim damages? Or even mentioned it in the media for that matter?

I'll tell you why. Because the agreement for December 23rd was dependent on how Fury came through the Ngannou fight.

Who said it was?

I'll answer that for you as well. Arum and Warren made it abundantly clear, numerous times and publicly before Fury-Ngannou, that the December 23rd date was dependent on how Fury came through the Ngannou fight.

You can pretend otherwise but you'll need to lie

Arum and Warren are telling the truth? Stop being silly.

"If there was a legally binding agreement in place"??? "

"Who said it was?"

Tyson Fury said there was.

So make your mind up mickey, is Fury lying? or Are Bob and Fwank lying?

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 16:56

tonyevs wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:04

He beat the man, beat all the major challengers and reigned for a while.

If we look at the better known `major challengers' since Fury came back after his doping ban in 2018 we see he faced only one `major challenger` ... whyte whilst mandatory was seriously shop worn as Povetkin demonstrated.


Wilder - Yep
Whyte - Yep

Joshua - Nope
Ruiz - Nope
Ortiz - Nope
Parker - Nope
Povetkin - Nope
Pulev - Nope
Joyce - Nope
Zhang - Nope
Hrgovic - Nope
Usyk - Nope

They all ducked Fury.

everyone ducks fury

according to anyone whos surname is fury

stevec@france wrote: ↑21 Nov 2023, 06:21

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 16:56

tonyevs wrote: ↑20 Nov 2023, 15:04

If we look at the better known `major challengers' since Fury came back after his doping ban in 2018 we see he faced only one `major challenger` ... whyte whilst mandatory was seriously shop worn as Povetkin demonstrated.


Wilder - Yep
Whyte - Yep

Joshua - Nope
Ruiz - Nope
Ortiz - Nope
Parker - Nope
Povetkin - Nope
Pulev - Nope
Joyce - Nope
Zhang - Nope
Hrgovic - Nope
Usyk - Nope

They all ducked Fury.

everyone ducks fury

according to anyone whos surname is fury

And they always have.

Early in his career, Team Fury, "Couldn't get opponents." and "Couldn't find anyone willing to spar with him."