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Re: BBBofC

Posted: 07 Mar 2024, 17:39
by LucaDiCaro
SeanBrennan wrote: 07 Mar 2024, 16:53
LucaDiCaro wrote: 07 Mar 2024, 15:15
Floydendizer wrote: 07 Mar 2024, 15:01 Female boxers earning decent purses now on Sky / TNT / Dazn , Elle has built a good record on paper won various belts but earning £1500 a fight ,she must be happy & boxing is a hobby for her .
Sorry that's not quite correct - Amanda Serrano even as a 7 division World Champion was earning an average off $1000-$4000 per fight. https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/boxing/ ... vabqyzq830

Female fighters purses have always been in the low thousands, but that is now changing and if all goes Elle will also begin to attract higher purses
there is some mad bitterness towards BIBA, BBBoC need challenging, good luck with it Luca.
There really is, but once people get to know just how serious operation BIBA is we may start to turn the haters around.

perhaps they should read this https://boxbiba.com/BIBAPresentation23.pdf

or this https://www.boxbiba.com/BIBANewsFeb24.pdf

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 07 Mar 2024, 18:03
by SeanBrennan
LucaDiCaro wrote: 07 Mar 2024, 17:39
SeanBrennan wrote: 07 Mar 2024, 16:53
LucaDiCaro wrote: 07 Mar 2024, 15:15

Sorry that's not quite correct - Amanda Serrano even as a 7 division World Champion was earning an average off $1000-$4000 per fight. https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/boxing/ ... vabqyzq830

Female fighters purses have always been in the low thousands, but that is now changing and if all goes Elle will also begin to attract higher purses
there is some mad bitterness towards BIBA, BBBoC need challenging, good luck with it Luca.
There really is, but once people get to know just how serious operation BIBA is we may start to turn the haters around.

perhaps they should read this https://boxbiba.com/BIBAPresentation23.pdf

or this https://www.boxbiba.com/BIBANewsFeb24.pdf
thanks for sharing

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 12 Mar 2024, 19:28
by leejonesjnr
DiCaro, has BIBA ever licensed a boxer to compete without a brain scan?

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 13 Mar 2024, 05:02
by LucaDiCaro
leejonesjnr wrote: 12 Mar 2024, 19:28 DiCaro, has BIBA ever licensed a boxer to compete without a brain scan?
scans and Medicals are part of licensing process so that scenario should never occur

However we did have a situation where we were supplied Medicals for an opponent who was overseas licensed and discovered they were fake which concerned us that perhaps that had happened previously

By the way we also informed Robert Smith as knew that the same matchmaker had boxers on bbbofc events regularly as feel it’s important to share important information and findings such as this

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 13 Mar 2024, 05:16
by MasterG
SeanBrennan wrote: 06 Mar 2024, 16:29 Tough one this for me. In theory government intervention sounds good. Then you think of where government intervention can lead and its a bit like that could be worse.

I worked in local government for over a decade and sometimes concluded our intervention made things worse.
I don't think government intervention in certain sports such as boxing would be beneficial at all. There are certain topics that the UK government won't get involved in at all purely through their own best interests. At the end of the day our governments are only interested what will get them into power so they will please what they believe voters want to get them brownie points.

One example imo that neither government will get involved in is capital punishment.

Another example that a government could act on is boxing. I think there could be a debate in the Commons whether boxing should be banned, but, bring in the death of a young boxer would certainly fuel the debate and a certain section of UK voters which would be delightful to a party in power.

Government leave well alone.

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 13 Mar 2024, 05:20
by MasterG
SeanBrennan wrote: 06 Mar 2024, 17:02
Floydendizer wrote: 06 Mar 2024, 16:52 Elle Coulsen needs to switch to the BBBofC female world champion & earning journeyman purses , she has talent & it’s getting wasted on these BIBA cards .
Harsh. If she's happy with BIBA and has a world ranking surely that's good?
Boxers join who ever they want, it's their reasons at the end of the day.

Sophie Varley is/was another female we could mention. Tough little lass who was on BIBA shows. Her choice.

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 13 Mar 2024, 05:48
by Alba
LucaDiCaro wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:02
leejonesjnr wrote: 12 Mar 2024, 19:28 DiCaro, has BIBA ever licensed a boxer to compete without a brain scan?
scans and Medicals are part of licensing process so that scenario should never occur

However we did have a situation where we were supplied Medicals for an opponent who was overseas licensed and discovered they were fake which concerned us that perhaps that had happened previously

By the way we also informed Robert Smith as knew that the same matchmaker had boxers on bbbofc events regularly as feel it’s important to share important information and findings such as this
You used to bang on about a big court case against the Board and maybe others. What happend to that? I mind it was talked about (mostly by you) but i dont recall anything coming off it ?

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 13 Mar 2024, 05:59
by LucaDiCaro
Alba wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:48
LucaDiCaro wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:02
leejonesjnr wrote: 12 Mar 2024, 19:28 DiCaro, has BIBA ever licensed a boxer to compete without a brain scan?
scans and Medicals are part of licensing process so that scenario should never occur

However we did have a situation where we were supplied Medicals for an opponent who was overseas licensed and discovered they were fake which concerned us that perhaps that had happened previously

By the way we also informed Robert Smith as knew that the same matchmaker had boxers on bbbofc events regularly as feel it’s important to share important information and findings such as this
You used to bang on about a big court case against the Board and maybe others. What happend to that? I mind it was talked about (mostly by you) but i dont recall anything coming off it ?
Artur Ellinson, who was the President of the BDF, who were one of the parties involved in the case, left the BDF following Boxrec removing BDF records following an argument between their UK representative and Boxrec. This left the case in limbo and was eventually dropped.

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 13 Mar 2024, 15:53
by SeanBrennan
MasterG wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:20
SeanBrennan wrote: 06 Mar 2024, 17:02
Floydendizer wrote: 06 Mar 2024, 16:52 Elle Coulsen needs to switch to the BBBofC female world champion & earning journeyman purses , she has talent & it’s getting wasted on these BIBA cards .
Harsh. If she's happy with BIBA and has a world ranking surely that's good?
Boxers join who ever they want, it's their reasons at the end of the day.

Sophie Varley is/was another female we could mention. Tough little lass who was on BIBA shows. Her choice.
my thoughts entirely.

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 13 Mar 2024, 15:54
by SeanBrennan
LucaDiCaro wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:59
Alba wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:48
LucaDiCaro wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:02

scans and Medicals are part of licensing process so that scenario should never occur

However we did have a situation where we were supplied Medicals for an opponent who was overseas licensed and discovered they were fake which concerned us that perhaps that had happened previously

By the way we also informed Robert Smith as knew that the same matchmaker had boxers on bbbofc events regularly as feel it’s important to share important information and findings such as this
You used to bang on about a big court case against the Board and maybe others. What happend to that? I mind it was talked about (mostly by you) but i dont recall anything coming off it ?
Artur Ellinson, who was the President of the BDF, who were one of the parties involved in the case, left the BDF following Boxrec removing BDF records following an argument between their UK representative and Boxrec. This left the case in limbo and was eventually dropped.
thanks for explaining Luca.

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 13 Mar 2024, 16:01
by SeanBrennan
MasterG wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:16
SeanBrennan wrote: 06 Mar 2024, 16:29 Tough one this for me. In theory government intervention sounds good. Then you think of where government intervention can lead and its a bit like that could be worse.

I worked in local government for over a decade and sometimes concluded our intervention made things worse.
I don't think government intervention in certain sports such as boxing would be beneficial at all. There are certain topics that the UK government won't get involved in at all purely through their own best interests. At the end of the day our governments are only interested what will get them into power so they will please what they believe voters want to get them brownie points.

One example imo that neither government will get involved in is capital punishment.

Another example that a government could act on is boxing. I think there could be a debate in the Commons whether boxing should be banned, but, bring in the death of a young boxer would certainly fuel the debate and a certain section of UK voters which would be delightful to a party in power.

Government leave well alone.
There is an APPG - All Party Parliamentary Group - on Boxing, it has 9 members, 2 members of House of Commons and 2 Members of the House of Lords. It's chaired by Imran Hussain who does talk about boxing a lot and is involved a bit in Bradford with it. He is quite a decent chap from my limited knowledge.

Details of the group are here https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... boxing.htm

like all APPGs they're convened to discuss matters of importance, and produce reports, but they can be seen as a bit of a talking shop. They've produced reports etc like this https://www.englandboxing.org/wp-conten ... Boxing.pdf but don't necessarily lead to much change.

They remind me of scrutiny reports in local government, talk a lot and write a report but change less so.

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 13 Mar 2024, 17:35
by jonp
leejonesjnr wrote: 12 Mar 2024, 19:28 DiCaro, has BIBA ever licensed a boxer to compete without a brain scan?
You on about Jodies rant on facebook s few years ago?

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 16 Mar 2024, 03:50
by leejonesjnr
LucaDiCaro wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:02
leejonesjnr wrote: 12 Mar 2024, 19:28 DiCaro, has BIBA ever licensed a boxer to compete without a brain scan?
scans and Medicals are part of licensing process so that scenario should never occur

However we did have a situation where we were supplied Medicals for an opponent who was overseas licensed and discovered they were fake which concerned us that perhaps that had happened previously

By the way we also informed Robert Smith as knew that the same matchmaker had boxers on bbbofc events regularly as feel it’s important to share important information and findings such as this
It shouldn't, thats correct. But you have done it. No not an overseas boxer, a BIBA 'licensed' boxer.

Re: BBBofC

Posted: 16 Mar 2024, 03:51
by leejonesjnr
LucaDiCaro wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:59
Alba wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:48
LucaDiCaro wrote: 13 Mar 2024, 05:02

scans and Medicals are part of licensing process so that scenario should never occur

However we did have a situation where we were supplied Medicals for an opponent who was overseas licensed and discovered they were fake which concerned us that perhaps that had happened previously

By the way we also informed Robert Smith as knew that the same matchmaker had boxers on bbbofc events regularly as feel it’s important to share important information and findings such as this
You used to bang on about a big court case against the Board and maybe others. What happend to that? I mind it was talked about (mostly by you) but i dont recall anything coming off it ?
Artur Ellinson, who was the President of the BDF, who were one of the parties involved in the case, left the BDF following Boxrec removing BDF records following an argument between their UK representative and Boxrec. This left the case in limbo and was eventually dropped.
Nothing to do with the law practice that you kept claiming you were using having closed down many years before?