No Mas: 45 Years Later. What Really Did Happened in New Orleans?

[gilgamesh]

Your obsession with making threads about this fight is creepy. As if you think if you talk about it enough Duran will unlose the fight.

[elmersalsa]

Your obsession with making threads about this fight is creepy. As if you think if you talk about it enough Duran will unlose the fight.

The whole No Mas was creepy. And it was done because America had to accommodate Sugar Ray Leonard, their hero, back to the top again. That means more millions of dollars and more glory to American boxing.

Maybe if Roberto Duran would have not disrespected Leonard's wife, his manhood and America in general by kicking his ass, maybe the rematch would have not been that quick.

It's a fact that Duran humiliated America. So, they had to humiliate him back, quickly if they can. Mike Trainer, Leonard's manager, and Don King, Duran's promoter since 1975 FLEW DESPERATELY to Panama City to Carlos Eleta's office and hush-hush negotiated the rematch behind Duran's back. Duran was in New York City partying and celebrating his greatest win like he should. Every man got THE RIGHT to celebrate the fruits of his labor. That's in the Bible. A true fact.

Why then, Eleta didn't consult with Dura first? Why he didn't go to the champion Duran ask him what he thought of the deal? Maybe Duran would have said, not right now, I am in party mode. Let's do the fight in April '81. And also, I want more than $8 million dollars. Duran could have said, give me $15 million! Right? He is the champion. He whupped America's Darling. He deserved more.

But, no. Eleta's greedy ass took the money and did not cared about Duran's best interests. He cared about the money that was in front of him. Money that he never got in boxing, but could have gotten more if considered and talk to Duran. He should have been shrewd and stern in the negotiations. But, he got baited and that was the win for Leonard's camp.

Don King wanted a third fight. I don't know about the other two managers. But, a third fight would have been at least $15 to $20 million for each fighter. But, it was destroyed those plans because Duran quit.

Duran was betrayed, hoodwinked, and sold. This was not about sportsmanship. It was about getting even because of what Duran did to America. Never in the history of boxing, a manager flies to another manager's country and offered that kind of money. It was one of the greatest betrayals in boxing history.

It was so obvious and WICKED, that Duran's main promoter, King, didn't give Duran to train and postpone the fight for a later date. Ain't Duran wasn't the champion? Why he didn't get more time? Why the negotiations were behind his back? Why he didn't get the respect that a champion should? If Sugar Ray asked for more time, they would have given him time. Why not for Duran? Because they got to get the respect back of what happened in Montreal.

It was unacceptable that a Latin fighter, a so called bully in their eyes, uneducated and with no class in America's eyes to be the Face of Boxing. It has to be Sugar Ray. Not Duran.

It was so nationalistic that everything was to accommodate Sugar Ray. Bigger ring (21 x 21), don't give Duran time to train, negotiate behind his back, and even brought Ray Charles, the singer, to sing America the Beautiful to uplift Leonard. Where was the singer to uplift Duran?

The REALITY of all that that Eleta betrayed his fighter. And King also had the hand on it. It was one of greatest betrayals and wicked shams that ever happened in the history of boxing.

And it wasn't fair for Sugar Ray. He trained hard for the fight. He fought well. But his management team didn't had to do all that. That is why the whole thing was shady, creepy and wicked.

It wasn't about sportsmanship folks. It was all about greediness and betrayal.

[keithmoonhangover]

Your obsession with making threads about this fight is creepy. As if you think if you talk about it enough Duran will unlose the fight.

The whole No Mas was creepy. And it was done because America had to accommodate Sugar Ray Leonard, their hero, back to the top again. That means more millions of dollars and more glory to American boxing.

Maybe if Roberto Duran would have not disrespected Leonard's wife, his manhood and America in general by kicking his ass, maybe the rematch would have not been that quick.

It's a fact that Duran humiliated America. So, they had to humiliate him back, quickly if they can. Mike Trainer, Leonard's manager, and Don King, Duran's promoter since 1975 FLEW DESPERATELY to Panama City to Carlos Eleta's office and hush-hush negotiated the rematch behind Duran's back. Duran was in New York City partying and celebrating his greatest win like he should. Every man got THE RIGHT to celebrate the fruits of his labor. That's in the Bible. A true fact.

Why then, Eleta didn't consult with Dura first? Why he didn't go to the champion Duran ask him what he thought of the deal? Maybe Duran would have said, not right now, I am in party mode. Let's do the fight in April '81. And also, I want more than $8 million dollars. Duran could have said, give me $15 million! Right? He is the champion. He whupped America's Darling. He deserved more.

But, no. Eleta's greedy ass took the money and did not cared about Duran's best interests. He cared about the money that was in front of him. Money that he never got in boxing, but could have gotten more if considered and talk to Duran. He should have been shrewd and stern in the negotiations. But, he got baited and that was the win for Leonard's camp.

Don King wanted a third fight. I don't know about the other two managers. But, a third fight would have been at least $15 to $20 million for each fighter. But, it was destroyed those plans because Duran quit.

Duran was betrayed, hoodwinked, and sold. This was not about sportsmanship. It was about getting even because of what Duran did to America. Never in the history of boxing, a manager flies to another manager's country and offered that kind of money. It was one of the greatest betrayals in boxing history.

It was so obvious and WICKED, that Duran's main promoter, King, didn't give Duran to train and postpone the fight for a later date. Ain't Duran wasn't the champion? Why he didn't get more time? Why the negotiations were behind his back? Why he didn't get the respect that a champion should? If Sugar Ray asked for more time, they would have given him time. Why not for Duran? Because they got to get the respect back of what happened in Montreal.

It was unacceptable that a Latin fighter, a so called bully in their eyes, uneducated and with no class in America's eyes to be the Face of Boxing. It has to be Sugar Ray. Not Duran.

It was so nationalistic that everything was to accommodate Sugar Ray. Bigger ring (21 x 21), don't give Duran time to train, negotiate behind his back, and even brought Ray Charles, the singer, to sing America the Beautiful to uplift Leonard. Where was the singer to uplift Duran?

The REALITY of all that that Eleta betrayed his fighter. And King also had the hand on it. It was one of greatest betrayals and wicked shams that ever happened in the history of boxing.

And it wasn't fair for Sugar Ray. He trained hard for the fight. He fought well. But his management team didn't had to do all that. That is why the whole thing was shady, creepy and wicked.

It wasn't about sportsmanship folks. It was all about greediness and betrayal.

Most of your post is complete fiction. It's not healthy for you to be this obsessed with Duran.

What's his excuse for losing to Kirkland Laing?

[Ambling Alp II]

I can tell you what elmer will say since he has talked about Duran's career a billion times. He does actually count one of Duran's 16 losses. The one to DeJesus. There are excuses for the other 15.

Esteban De Jesus didn't pay Roberto Duran's manager to win the fight. He never flew to Panama City to do the dirty work. He didn't had a promoter to do the thing possible.

But, Sugar Ray Leonard did paid Carlos Eleta. You got to go to another country to pay someone's manager is as wicked as adultery. There was no righteousness in that No Mas. Everything was shady and creepy at the same time.

Who would believe that someone that believes that the moon landings were hoaxes could be irrational?

[goose 5]

The problem I have with the No Mas bout was the media's failure to pin down Arcel and Brown and question them in a very detailed manner concerning the inconsistencies in their statements about the fight and Duran's condition, and I've researched this bout via dozens and dozens of different newspapers. The whole dynamic between Arcel and Brown was very strange and suspicious.

[elmersalsa]

Your obsession with making threads about this fight is creepy. As if you think if you talk about it enough Duran will unlose the fight.

The whole No Mas was creepy. And it was done because America had to accommodate Sugar Ray Leonard, their hero, back to the top again. That means more millions of dollars and more glory to American boxing.

Maybe if Roberto Duran would have not disrespected Leonard's wife, his manhood and America in general by kicking his ass, maybe the rematch would have not been that quick.

It's a fact that Duran humiliated America. So, they had to humiliate him back, quickly if they can. Mike Trainer, Leonard's manager, and Don King, Duran's promoter since 1975 FLEW DESPERATELY to Panama City to Carlos Eleta's office and hush-hush negotiated the rematch behind Duran's back. Duran was in New York City partying and celebrating his greatest win like he should. Every man got THE RIGHT to celebrate the fruits of his labor. That's in the Bible. A true fact.

Why then, Eleta didn't consult with Dura first? Why he didn't go to the champion Duran ask him what he thought of the deal? Maybe Duran would have said, not right now, I am in party mode. Let's do the fight in April '81. And also, I want more than $8 million dollars. Duran could have said, give me $15 million! Right? He is the champion. He whupped America's Darling. He deserved more.

But, no. Eleta's greedy ass took the money and did not cared about Duran's best interests. He cared about the money that was in front of him. Money that he never got in boxing, but could have gotten more if considered and talk to Duran. He should have been shrewd and stern in the negotiations. But, he got baited and that was the win for Leonard's camp.

Don King wanted a third fight. I don't know about the other two managers. But, a third fight would have been at least $15 to $20 million for each fighter. But, it was destroyed those plans because Duran quit.

Duran was betrayed, hoodwinked, and sold. This was not about sportsmanship. It was about getting even because of what Duran did to America. Never in the history of boxing, a manager flies to another manager's country and offered that kind of money. It was one of the greatest betrayals in boxing history.

It was so obvious and WICKED, that Duran's main promoter, King, didn't give Duran to train and postpone the fight for a later date. Ain't Duran wasn't the champion? Why he didn't get more time? Why the negotiations were behind his back? Why he didn't get the respect that a champion should? If Sugar Ray asked for more time, they would have given him time. Why not for Duran? Because they got to get the respect back of what happened in Montreal.

It was unacceptable that a Latin fighter, a so called bully in their eyes, uneducated and with no class in America's eyes to be the Face of Boxing. It has to be Sugar Ray. Not Duran.

It was so nationalistic that everything was to accommodate Sugar Ray. Bigger ring (21 x 21), don't give Duran time to train, negotiate behind his back, and even brought Ray Charles, the singer, to sing America the Beautiful to uplift Leonard. Where was the singer to uplift Duran?

The REALITY of all that that Eleta betrayed his fighter. And King also had the hand on it. It was one of greatest betrayals and wicked shams that ever happened in the history of boxing.

And it wasn't fair for Sugar Ray. He trained hard for the fight. He fought well. But his management team didn't had to do all that. That is why the whole thing was shady, creepy and wicked.

It wasn't about sportsmanship folks. It was all about greediness and betrayal.

Most of your post is complete fiction. It's not healthy for you to be this obsessed with Duran.

What's his excuse for losing to Kirkland Laing?

The TRUTH hurts. It was all facts. It's because you like Sugar Ray Leonard more than Roberto Duran is why you can't accept it. The whole thing was shady, evil, creepy and suspect.

It was never about sportsmanship. All happened on uneven terms.

[elmersalsa]

The problem I have with the No Mas bout was the media's failure to pin down Arcel and Brown and question them in a very detailed manner concerning the inconsistencies in their statements about the fight and Duran's condition, and I've researched this bout via dozens and dozens of different newspapers. The whole dynamic between Arcel and Brown was very strange and suspicious.

There you go! If there were more people like you investigating this fight, they would realized that Roberto Duran was ambushed. They would have give Roberto an apology.

[Ezzard]

Boxing is never a level playing field. No sport is. The bigger teams and stars will always try to skew everything in their favour. This has been going on ever since sports began.

Leonard and Mike Trainer openly said the tactic was to get Duran back in the ring as soon as he could. Nobody made Duran eat and drink like he did.

On the other hand, inside the ring Duran was a truly amazing fighter. I still rate his win over Leonard as the greatest performance of any boxer of my lifetime.

[keithmoonhangover]

The whole No Mas was creepy. And it was done because America had to accommodate Sugar Ray Leonard, their hero, back to the top again. That means more millions of dollars and more glory to American boxing.

Maybe if Roberto Duran would have not disrespected Leonard's wife, his manhood and America in general by kicking his ass, maybe the rematch would have not been that quick.

It's a fact that Duran humiliated America. So, they had to humiliate him back, quickly if they can. Mike Trainer, Leonard's manager, and Don King, Duran's promoter since 1975 FLEW DESPERATELY to Panama City to Carlos Eleta's office and hush-hush negotiated the rematch behind Duran's back. Duran was in New York City partying and celebrating his greatest win like he should. Every man got THE RIGHT to celebrate the fruits of his labor. That's in the Bible. A true fact.

Why then, Eleta didn't consult with Dura first? Why he didn't go to the champion Duran ask him what he thought of the deal? Maybe Duran would have said, not right now, I am in party mode. Let's do the fight in April '81. And also, I want more than $8 million dollars. Duran could have said, give me $15 million! Right? He is the champion. He whupped America's Darling. He deserved more.

But, no. Eleta's greedy ass took the money and did not cared about Duran's best interests. He cared about the money that was in front of him. Money that he never got in boxing, but could have gotten more if considered and talk to Duran. He should have been shrewd and stern in the negotiations. But, he got baited and that was the win for Leonard's camp.

Don King wanted a third fight. I don't know about the other two managers. But, a third fight would have been at least $15 to $20 million for each fighter. But, it was destroyed those plans because Duran quit.

Duran was betrayed, hoodwinked, and sold. This was not about sportsmanship. It was about getting even because of what Duran did to America. Never in the history of boxing, a manager flies to another manager's country and offered that kind of money. It was one of the greatest betrayals in boxing history.

It was so obvious and WICKED, that Duran's main promoter, King, didn't give Duran to train and postpone the fight for a later date. Ain't Duran wasn't the champion? Why he didn't get more time? Why the negotiations were behind his back? Why he didn't get the respect that a champion should? If Sugar Ray asked for more time, they would have given him time. Why not for Duran? Because they got to get the respect back of what happened in Montreal.

It was unacceptable that a Latin fighter, a so called bully in their eyes, uneducated and with no class in America's eyes to be the Face of Boxing. It has to be Sugar Ray. Not Duran.

It was so nationalistic that everything was to accommodate Sugar Ray. Bigger ring (21 x 21), don't give Duran time to train, negotiate behind his back, and even brought Ray Charles, the singer, to sing America the Beautiful to uplift Leonard. Where was the singer to uplift Duran?

The REALITY of all that that Eleta betrayed his fighter. And King also had the hand on it. It was one of greatest betrayals and wicked shams that ever happened in the history of boxing.

And it wasn't fair for Sugar Ray. He trained hard for the fight. He fought well. But his management team didn't had to do all that. That is why the whole thing was shady, creepy and wicked.

It wasn't about sportsmanship folks. It was all about greediness and betrayal.

Most of your post is complete fiction. It's not healthy for you to be this obsessed with Duran.

What's his excuse for losing to Kirkland Laing?

The TRUTH hurts. It was all facts. It's because you like Sugar Ray Leonard more than Roberto Duran is why you can't accept it. The whole thing was shady, evil, creepy and suspect.

It was never about sportsmanship. All happened on uneven terms.

No, it's because I'm not completely delusional, posting fiction and ignoring facts.

[elmersalsa]

Boxing is never a level playing field. No sport is. The bigger teams and stars will always try to skew everything in their favour. This has been going on ever since sports began.

Leonard and Mike Trainer openly said the tactic was to get Duran back in the ring as soon as he could. Nobody made Duran eat and drink like he did.

On the other hand, inside the ring Duran was a truly amazing fighter. I still rate his win over Leonard as the greatest performance of any boxer of my lifetime.

Mike Trainer and Sugar Ray Leonard did the BEAUTIFUL STRATEGY. It was Roberto Duran's manager that betrayed his fighter. He should have consulted Duran about the money and date.

Duran would have never took a fight that quickly. Nobody in there right mind would. But, he got screwed and sold and betrayed. What can he do?

[elmersalsa]

Most of your post is complete fiction. It's not healthy for you to be this obsessed with Duran.

What's his excuse for losing to Kirkland Laing?

The TRUTH hurts. It was all facts. It's because you like Sugar Ray Leonard more than Roberto Duran is why you can't accept it. The whole thing was shady, evil, creepy and suspect.

It was never about sportsmanship. All happened on uneven terms.

No, it's because I'm not completely delusional, posting fiction and ignoring facts.

You are ignoring the true facts. Not me. Anybody that read what I wrote knows that it was true. It's all over the Internet what really happened behind closed doors.

[elmersalsa]

Boxing is never a level playing field. No sport is. The bigger teams and stars will always try to skew everything in their favour. This has been going on ever since sports began.

Leonard and Mike Trainer openly said the tactic was to get Duran back in the ring as soon as he could. Nobody made Duran eat and drink like he did.

On the other hand, inside the ring Duran was a truly amazing fighter. I still rate his win over Leonard as the greatest performance of any boxer of my lifetime.

Strictly one of the greatest achievements ever. That's what the late Alex Wallau, former boxing analyst for ABC Sports said. It was remarkable!

[keithmoonhangover]

what really happened behind closed doors.

If it happened behind closed doors, then the only people who know what really happened are the people who were in the room. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Ezzard]

Boxing is never a level playing field. No sport is. The bigger teams and stars will always try to skew everything in their favour. This has been going on ever since sports began.

Leonard and Mike Trainer openly said the tactic was to get Duran back in the ring as soon as he could. Nobody made Duran eat and drink like he did.

On the other hand, inside the ring Duran was a truly amazing fighter. I still rate his win over Leonard as the greatest performance of any boxer of my lifetime.

Strictly one of the greatest achievements ever. That's what the late Alex Wallau, former boxing analyst for ABC Sports said. It was remarkable!

In the last 50 years two guys really show up when watching the film. They seem to have a movement and ability unlike other fighters. The footwork... The grace... Leonard and Lomachenko.

[Ambling Alp II]

Boxing is never a level playing field. No sport is. The bigger teams and stars will always try to skew everything in their favour. This has been going on ever since sports began.

Leonard and Mike Trainer openly said the tactic was to get Duran back in the ring as soon as he could. Nobody made Duran eat and drink like he did.

On the other hand, inside the ring Duran was a truly amazing fighter. I still rate his win over Leonard as the greatest performance of any boxer of my lifetime.

The fight took place 5 months after the first. Plenty of time for Duran to be ready. Duran's trainers said he was ready and that nothing was wrong with him. Just wasn't good enough and quit like a baby.

Leonard's performance over Duran in the second fight was better than Duran's was in the first fight. Leonard would never have lost to Duran again. Which is why Duran ducked Leonard after the 2nd fight. They could have fought again in 1981 or 1982.

[gilgamesh]

Boxing is never a level playing field. No sport is. The bigger teams and stars will always try to skew everything in their favour. This has been going on ever since sports began.

Leonard and Mike Trainer openly said the tactic was to get Duran back in the ring as soon as he could. Nobody made Duran eat and drink like he did.

On the other hand, inside the ring Duran was a truly amazing fighter. I still rate his win over Leonard as the greatest performance of any boxer of my lifetime.

The fight took place 5 months after the first. Plenty of time for Duran to be ready. Duran's trainers said he was ready and that nothing was wrong with him. Just wasn't good enough and quit like a baby.

Leonard's performance over Duran in the second fight was better than Duran's was in the first fight. Leonard would never have lost to Duran again. Which is why Duran ducked Leonard after the 2nd fight. They could have fought again in 1981 or 1982.

They both gave the people a much better fight in the 1st one. Leonard won in more dominant fashion. Duran won their best fight.

Dominance is never quite as exciting as a great back and forth battle. Unless you're firmly in the corner of the dominant fighter anyway.

[elmersalsa]

Boxing is never a level playing field. No sport is. The bigger teams and stars will always try to skew everything in their favour. This has been going on ever since sports began.

Leonard and Mike Trainer openly said the tactic was to get Duran back in the ring as soon as he could. Nobody made Duran eat and drink like he did.

On the other hand, inside the ring Duran was a truly amazing fighter. I still rate his win over Leonard as the greatest performance of any boxer of my lifetime.

The fight took place 5 months after the first. Plenty of time for Duran to be ready. Duran's trainers said he was ready and that nothing was wrong with him. Just wasn't good enough and quit like a baby.

Leonard's performance over Duran in the second fight was better than Duran's was in the first fight. Leonard would never have lost to Duran again. Which is why Duran ducked Leonard after the 2nd fight. They could have fought again in 1981 or 1982.

No. It was not plenty of time for Duran to train. The Leonard camp knew it. The fight was won by Leonard as soon Eleta's greedy self signed the dotted line.

It was over right there for Roberto Duran.

[elmersalsa]

Boxing is never a level playing field. No sport is. The bigger teams and stars will always try to skew everything in their favour. This has been going on ever since sports began.

Leonard and Mike Trainer openly said the tactic was to get Duran back in the ring as soon as he could. Nobody made Duran eat and drink like he did.

On the other hand, inside the ring Duran was a truly amazing fighter. I still rate his win over Leonard as the greatest performance of any boxer of my lifetime.

The fight took place 5 months after the first. Plenty of time for Duran to be ready. Duran's trainers said he was ready and that nothing was wrong with him. Just wasn't good enough and quit like a baby.

Leonard's performance over Duran in the second fight was better than Duran's was in the first fight. Leonard would never have lost to Duran again. Which is why Duran ducked Leonard after the 2nd fight. They could have fought again in 1981 or 1982.

They both gave the people a much better fight in the 1st one. Leonard won in more dominant fashion. Duran won their best fight.

Dominance is never quite as exciting as a great back and forth battle. Unless you're firmly in the corner of the dominant fighter anyway.

Leonard didn't win in much more dominant fashion. Don't change the narrative. Duran was still in the fight. If someone else won in more dominant fashion then it was Duran in Montreal. Look at Sugar Ray's face before and after the fight.

The second fight was nothing but greed and betrayal. Unsportsmanship at its best because Duran disrespected America, Sugar Ray and his wife.

[gilgamesh]

Leonard absolutely won in more dominant fashion, I don't have to change the narrative. That IS the narrative.

[elmersalsa]

Leonard absolutely won in more dominant fashion, I don't have to change the narrative. That IS the narrative.

Sugar Ray Leonard didn't do much of anything. He didn't dominate. He was winning the fight, but not dominating the fight. That's YOUR narrative.

[gilgamesh]

And the opinion of the International Sporting Press.

[hhaehre]

I can tell you what elmer will say since he has talked about Duran's career a billion times. He does actually count one of Duran's 16 losses. The one to DeJesus. There are excuses for the other 15.

Even Hearns?

[hhaehre]

Leonard absolutely won in more dominant fashion, I don't have to change the narrative. That IS the narrative.

Sugar Ray Leonard didn't do much of anything. He didn't dominate. He was winning the fight, but not dominating the fight. That's YOUR narrative.

Pretty dominant when you make the other guy quit I'd say.

[gilgamesh]

If you ask Google. What are Boxing writers comments on Leonard vs Duran 2?

This is the response you get.

Boxing writers universally recall Leonard vs. Duran 2 ("No Más") as a tactical masterclass by Sugar Ray Leonard, who frustrated Roberto Durán with superior movement and speed after learning from their first brawl, leading Durán to quit due to a mix of dehydration, frustration, and perhaps a lack of will, though some writers emphasize Leonard's boxing brilliance and Durán's poor shape as key factors, cementing it as a legendary, controversial moment where Leonard reclaimed his title and status.

[elmersalsa]

And the opinion of the International Sporting Press.

They can say whatever they want to say to prop their American Boy. When Roberto Duran whupped him in Montreal, the NARRATIVE WAS that it was a close fight. Close fight? My ass!