One Round Hogan always had the claim of having 18 consecutive first round KO's, but research has shown otherwise and like a lot of ancedotes from boxing history, One Round Hogan's claim doesn't hold up as those supposed knockouts haven't been found, which is not to say that they did not happen, but a few people that have really researched the area I don't think have turned up anywhere near the number of knockouts.
Chuck1052 has done a ton of great research in California, so maybe he could shed some light on Hogan.
As to Rodolfo Gonzalez...he did start early at around 14, which is very common in Mexico, and went on to KO 35 consecutive at the start of his career. He and one of his stablemates at the time, another former world champion, Efren Torres, had sort of a KO competition going which Torres' ended at supposedly 29 consecutive KO's, but Gonzalez went on to score six more and then 50 out of 52 without a loss. Of course Torres' record is still incomplete, though I located around four, or five of those early bouts from Ring mags, but anyone would have to go to the local newspapers to uncover the others. Gonzalez posts quite often on the CBZ forum and before a hacker broke into the forums and erased several years of historical data there had been a thread dedicated to Gonzalez where he talked about his career...unfortunately all the data was lost. I forget the fellow who compiled the record, but he did a great job finding 30+ missing early bouts, which there are a lot of missing bouts for other fighters that fought in many small Mexican towns that have yet to be recorded, in fact that is one area of boxing research that is really lacking, 1930s through around 1970 Mexico results, I'd like to see a few people tackle it.
Martin---I can recall seeing your name in BI, though I could never remember which issue, but I'll pay extra attention when looking now. I would very much like to correspond with you about some of South America's knockout artists. I'll send you a PM with my e-mail address.
Jaclem---I'd like to hear some more about Smith. Thankfully the newspaper archive site has put up many, many years of the Oakland Tribune and I had been reading a few articles about Smith on there, but I intend to do a lot more.
Hardest Light Heavyweight Punchers
Old vs. New
Notice that the fighters with the best knockout percentages
were active during the last forty years for the most part.
Does this mean that the old-timers lacked punching power?
I don't think so.
For one thing, take a look at the early opponents of many
of the more recent fighters. Yes, alot of the said opponents
were far from being capable fighters. While compiling
results from newspapers of the first forty years of the
Twentieth Century, I am convinced that the matchmakers
and the fans were less tolerant of mismatches during
that period of time. Moreover, there was much depth
in terms of quality in just about all of weight divisions
in each era in comparison to the present time.
In regards to Jack "One-Round" Hogan, I believe that
he may have had an impressive knockout streak in
four-round bouts early in his career, but he wasn't
scoring as many knockouts when he was facing
a large array of capable lightweights in the San
Francisco area. Think of this.....the following
lightweights were active in the San Francisco
Bay Area from 1905 to 1915: Willie Ritchie,
Lew Powell, Johnny Frayne, Frankie Burns
of Oakland, Johnny Murphy, Tommy McCarthy,
Johnny McCarthy, Frankie Edwards, Abe Label,
Tommy McFarland, Red Watson, Johnny
Arrousey, Anton La Grave, Fighting Dick
Hyland, and a number of others. I didn't
mention Battling Nelson or Ad Wolgast,
two out-of-town fighters who had a number
of bouts in the San Francisco area.
- Chuck Johnston
were active during the last forty years for the most part.
Does this mean that the old-timers lacked punching power?
I don't think so.
For one thing, take a look at the early opponents of many
of the more recent fighters. Yes, alot of the said opponents
were far from being capable fighters. While compiling
results from newspapers of the first forty years of the
Twentieth Century, I am convinced that the matchmakers
and the fans were less tolerant of mismatches during
that period of time. Moreover, there was much depth
in terms of quality in just about all of weight divisions
in each era in comparison to the present time.
In regards to Jack "One-Round" Hogan, I believe that
he may have had an impressive knockout streak in
four-round bouts early in his career, but he wasn't
scoring as many knockouts when he was facing
a large array of capable lightweights in the San
Francisco area. Think of this.....the following
lightweights were active in the San Francisco
Bay Area from 1905 to 1915: Willie Ritchie,
Lew Powell, Johnny Frayne, Frankie Burns
of Oakland, Johnny Murphy, Tommy McCarthy,
Johnny McCarthy, Frankie Edwards, Abe Label,
Tommy McFarland, Red Watson, Johnny
Arrousey, Anton La Grave, Fighting Dick
Hyland, and a number of others. I didn't
mention Battling Nelson or Ad Wolgast,
two out-of-town fighters who had a number
of bouts in the San Francisco area.
- Chuck Johnston
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I've said this before too, but that was a time when one writer of the era said that a good lightweight could be found on every street corner in every city in America. Then you had cities in California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Illinois, Wisconsin, New Orleans and Philadelphia that had several good lightweights to every street corner.
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chuck1052.....you've got it, buddy. fighters in the upper ranks used to fight each other all the time...plus the smaller champions fought a lot of over-the-weight matches....and as often as not didn't go for the kayo for several reasons.
plus....fights weren't stopped then as qiuickly as they are now. gavilan/gil turner......zale/graziano 3.... ike williams/beau jack are some fights which exist on tape..and they are just a few examples of the later stoppings...
plus....fights weren't stopped then as qiuickly as they are now. gavilan/gil turner......zale/graziano 3.... ike williams/beau jack are some fights which exist on tape..and they are just a few examples of the later stoppings...
Personally Id go with Moore. I remember when he buzzed Marciano, too, and that didnt surprise me one bit, despite Rock having an EXCELLENT chin and Moore being a natural 175 lber.
Some other big names are being overlooked:
Dariusz Michalczewski. With solid one-punch power in both hands, and a very high work rate, he could get the KO either via accumulation or one big shot. Michalczewski could hit HARD for twelve FULL rounds.
Dwight Qawi. Despite his record, had concussive power at light heavyweight himself, much MORE so than Spinks I would argue. He didnt stay at 175 for long though, and was still learning his craft in his early fights, so a lot of those opponents got off the hook. For a guy that was 5'7, Qawi could punch (just ask Holyfield).
Also, there was a certain southpaw ex-heavyweight champ, who owns a win over the Real Deal himself, that deserves a mention, but since he never stayed at 175 and was never a NATURAL 175 lber I think its best to leave him out.
Some other big names are being overlooked:
Dariusz Michalczewski. With solid one-punch power in both hands, and a very high work rate, he could get the KO either via accumulation or one big shot. Michalczewski could hit HARD for twelve FULL rounds.
Dwight Qawi. Despite his record, had concussive power at light heavyweight himself, much MORE so than Spinks I would argue. He didnt stay at 175 for long though, and was still learning his craft in his early fights, so a lot of those opponents got off the hook. For a guy that was 5'7, Qawi could punch (just ask Holyfield).
Also, there was a certain southpaw ex-heavyweight champ, who owns a win over the Real Deal himself, that deserves a mention, but since he never stayed at 175 and was never a NATURAL 175 lber I think its best to leave him out.
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bob satterfield is defintley in top 3, the man could hit like truck. If the press has paid more attention to his punching power, top heavyweight contender 6'2 215lb bob baker wouldnt have found himself lying flat on the canvas for the 10 count compliments of a 180lb man's punch.
i was going to mention tommy gomez but he was a small heavy who fought in the low 180s.
i was going to mention tommy gomez but he was a small heavy who fought in the low 180s.
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DM falls into the category of knocking out C and D level opponents, but when he faced quality fighters he never had one punch power, hell he even had to beat down weak opposition for several rounds before they finally caved in...DM had about the same kind of power as Roy Jones at 175, maybe a little harder. He certainly doesn't belong alongside of punchers like Satterfield, Moore, Charles, Murphy, Fitzsimmons and those that could cripple an opponent with one punch, usually with either hand!
Moorer, on the other hand, was a killer at 175...too bad he didn't take that same intensity and instinct up the heavyweight division.
Tommy Gomez was one of the hardest of punchers ever. He knocked out heavyweights that had never been down and out and many times he did so with one shot. He came back after WWII, where he suffered I forget how many bullet wounds, several though, but he came back and was probably even more effective than before the war. I know Gomez stated that after the war and facing bullets, punches just didn't seem like much to worry about. I find it pretty amazing that his bout with Satterfield went the distance.
Marvin Johnson was another of the very hard punching light heavies of the 70s and 80s. ST Gordon was as well, though he gained his fame at cruiserweight.
Moorer, on the other hand, was a killer at 175...too bad he didn't take that same intensity and instinct up the heavyweight division.
Tommy Gomez was one of the hardest of punchers ever. He knocked out heavyweights that had never been down and out and many times he did so with one shot. He came back after WWII, where he suffered I forget how many bullet wounds, several though, but he came back and was probably even more effective than before the war. I know Gomez stated that after the war and facing bullets, punches just didn't seem like much to worry about. I find it pretty amazing that his bout with Satterfield went the distance.
Marvin Johnson was another of the very hard punching light heavies of the 70s and 80s. ST Gordon was as well, though he gained his fame at cruiserweight.
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Possibly, in terms of sheer power. But Foster had the accuracy and timing to make his shots that much more devastating.BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:DoubleM wrote:I don't think anyone can beat Bob Foster for pure one-punch knockout power. It was crazy. Especially for such a lanky guy.
bob satterfield???
Besides, for half his career Satterfield wasn't even a light heavyweight, although he was a destructive hitter both there and at heavyweight.
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I suppose a prime Montell Griffin was a "C or D" level fighter? Derrick Harmon was probably B level himself...Michalzcewski had great power, not even his detractors will deny that. As for barry, he just likes tobarry wrote:DM falls into the category of knocking out C and D level opponents, but when he faced quality fighters he never had one punch power, hell he even had to beat down weak opposition for several rounds before they finally caved in...DM had about the same kind of power as Roy Jones at 175, maybe a little harder. He certainly doesn't belong alongside of punchers like Satterfield, Moore, Charles, Murphy, Fitzsimmons and those that could cripple an opponent with one punch, usually with either hand!
Moorer, on the other hand, was a killer at 175...too bad he didn't take that same intensity and instinct up the heavyweight division.
Tommy Gomez was one of the hardest of punchers ever. He knocked out heavyweights that had never been down and out and many times he did so with one shot. He came back after WWII, where he suffered I forget how many bullet wounds, several though, but he came back and was probably even more effective than before the war. I know Gomez stated that after the war and facing bullets, punches just didn't seem like much to worry about. I find it pretty amazing that his bout with Satterfield went the distance.
Marvin Johnson was another of the very hard punching light heavies of the 70s and 80s. ST Gordon was as well, though he gained his fame at cruiserweight.
because his hero Roy Jones was never the linear champion. 
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BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:bob satterfield is defintley in top 3, the man could hit like truck. If the press has paid more attention to his punching power, top heavyweight contender 6'2 215lb bob baker wouldnt have found himself lying flat on the canvas for the 10 count compliments of a 180lb man's punch.
This says more about Baker than it does Satterfield. Is this the reason that Satterfield is rated so highly by some people? There isn't much else to support him. Top 3 of all time? The myth lives on.
i was going to mention tommy gomez but he was a small heavy who fought in the low 180s.
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Here's another KO list that I have been working on, fighters who were knocked out the most times:
Most Times Knocked Out
TB=Total Bouts
LKO= Lost by Knockout
Name TB LKO Active
Simmie Black 202 95 1971-1996
Jerry Strickland 136 78 1974-2000
Frankie Hines 142 77 1980-2002
James Holly 71 64 1983-2000
Marvin Ladson 80 43 1977-2000
Robert Woods 49 42 1986-1995
Roy Bedwell 88 41 1986-2003
Lorenzo Boyd 88 41 1983-2003
James Mullins 77 38 1987-2003
Jose Pagan Rivera 128 38 1970-1985
Len Wickwar 464 37 1928-1947
Marris Virgil 80 40 1985-2004
Stan Johnson 45 37 1981-2002
Wayne Grant 75 36 1980-1992
George Harris 39 35 1991-1999
Billy Marsh 146 35 1961-1973
Tyrone Bledsoe 43 34 1993-2000
Nelson Hernandez 57 34 1992-2004
Stefan Stanko 46 34 1996-2004
Maurice “Lefty” LeChance 214 33 1936-1950
Ernie Wicher 50 33 1969-1979
Caseny (K.C.) Truesdale 69 35 1990-2004
Seamus Casey 164 33 1984-1999
Andre Crowder 67 33 1984-1999
Sal Ruggirello 104 33 1926-1940
Pete Galiano 122 33 1934-1944
Tony Booth 131 32 1990-2004
Eric Crumble 32 31 1990-2003
Ben Judah (Terrence Wright) 57 31 1983-1999
Joey Blair 53 31 1962-1978
David McCluskey 98 31 1984-2004
Tommy Jeans 58 31 1986-1995
Jose Luis Montes 72 31 1988-2004
Kenneth Bentley 106 31 1975-2002
Carlton Brown 51 30 1980-1996
Calvin Moody 75 30 1988-2002
Jerome Hill 51 30 1984-2002
Lew Perez 187 30 1942-1950
Ed Strickland 29 29 1989-2003
Lopez McGee 69 29 1983-1997
Larry Givens 50 29 1981-1999
Donnie Penelton 176 29 1990-2004
Dwayne Smith 55 29 1990-1999
Tibor Horvath 53 29 1994-1902
Eric Rhinehart 67 28 1988-2003
Scott Sala 61 29 1995-2004
Jeff Whaley 58 28 1981-1997
Larry McFadden 35 28 1983-1999
*Verdell Smith 134 28 1988-2004
Csaba Oláh 70 28 1991-2004
John Simmons 29 27 1989-1994
George Reedy 46 27 1983-1998
Rick Enis 68 27 1979-1999
Jordan Keepers 58 27 1987-2000
Cordwell Hylton 73 27 1980-1995
Imrich Parlagi 70 27 1992-2004
Jesse Clark 30 27 1973-1984
Nigel Rafferty 104 27 1989-2001
Anton Glofak 65 26 1996-2005
Albert Muller 91 26 1946-1960
Bobby English 115 26 1942-1954
Jozef Kubovsky (Lakatos) 93 26 1994-2004
Reggie Strickland 361 25 1987-2005
Lee Cargle 144 26 1982-2004
Dean Bramhald 163 25 1984-1998
Rick Kellar 53 25 1979-1992
Bill Petersen 101 25 1940-1952
Rocky Berg 106 25 1986-1997
Frank Minton 63 25 1983-1998
Diego Andrade 60 25 1989-2004
Doug Davis 25 25 1991-2004
Most Times Knocked Out
TB=Total Bouts
LKO= Lost by Knockout
Name TB LKO Active
Simmie Black 202 95 1971-1996
Jerry Strickland 136 78 1974-2000
Frankie Hines 142 77 1980-2002
James Holly 71 64 1983-2000
Marvin Ladson 80 43 1977-2000
Robert Woods 49 42 1986-1995
Roy Bedwell 88 41 1986-2003
Lorenzo Boyd 88 41 1983-2003
James Mullins 77 38 1987-2003
Jose Pagan Rivera 128 38 1970-1985
Len Wickwar 464 37 1928-1947
Marris Virgil 80 40 1985-2004
Stan Johnson 45 37 1981-2002
Wayne Grant 75 36 1980-1992
George Harris 39 35 1991-1999
Billy Marsh 146 35 1961-1973
Tyrone Bledsoe 43 34 1993-2000
Nelson Hernandez 57 34 1992-2004
Stefan Stanko 46 34 1996-2004
Maurice “Lefty” LeChance 214 33 1936-1950
Ernie Wicher 50 33 1969-1979
Caseny (K.C.) Truesdale 69 35 1990-2004
Seamus Casey 164 33 1984-1999
Andre Crowder 67 33 1984-1999
Sal Ruggirello 104 33 1926-1940
Pete Galiano 122 33 1934-1944
Tony Booth 131 32 1990-2004
Eric Crumble 32 31 1990-2003
Ben Judah (Terrence Wright) 57 31 1983-1999
Joey Blair 53 31 1962-1978
David McCluskey 98 31 1984-2004
Tommy Jeans 58 31 1986-1995
Jose Luis Montes 72 31 1988-2004
Kenneth Bentley 106 31 1975-2002
Carlton Brown 51 30 1980-1996
Calvin Moody 75 30 1988-2002
Jerome Hill 51 30 1984-2002
Lew Perez 187 30 1942-1950
Ed Strickland 29 29 1989-2003
Lopez McGee 69 29 1983-1997
Larry Givens 50 29 1981-1999
Donnie Penelton 176 29 1990-2004
Dwayne Smith 55 29 1990-1999
Tibor Horvath 53 29 1994-1902
Eric Rhinehart 67 28 1988-2003
Scott Sala 61 29 1995-2004
Jeff Whaley 58 28 1981-1997
Larry McFadden 35 28 1983-1999
*Verdell Smith 134 28 1988-2004
Csaba Oláh 70 28 1991-2004
John Simmons 29 27 1989-1994
George Reedy 46 27 1983-1998
Rick Enis 68 27 1979-1999
Jordan Keepers 58 27 1987-2000
Cordwell Hylton 73 27 1980-1995
Imrich Parlagi 70 27 1992-2004
Jesse Clark 30 27 1973-1984
Nigel Rafferty 104 27 1989-2001
Anton Glofak 65 26 1996-2005
Albert Muller 91 26 1946-1960
Bobby English 115 26 1942-1954
Jozef Kubovsky (Lakatos) 93 26 1994-2004
Reggie Strickland 361 25 1987-2005
Lee Cargle 144 26 1982-2004
Dean Bramhald 163 25 1984-1998
Rick Kellar 53 25 1979-1992
Bill Petersen 101 25 1940-1952
Rocky Berg 106 25 1986-1997
Frank Minton 63 25 1983-1998
Diego Andrade 60 25 1989-2004
Doug Davis 25 25 1991-2004
I recently watched Bob Foster's knockout of Mike Quarry for the first time, and it made me even more convinced that Foster was the hardest hitter, pound-for-pound, of all time. Quarry had never been stopped, and wasn't stopped afterwards until he was completely shot - a single Foster left hook knocked him senseless. Dick Tiger was known as one of the most durable fighters of all time, being stopped only once in his eighth fight - Foster knocked him out with one punch just like Quarry.
Foster's knockouts are very similar to Julian Jackson's... Only Foster knocked out more durable guys.
Foster's knockouts are very similar to Julian Jackson's... Only Foster knocked out more durable guys.
Yes, and Tiger was far from shot when he fought Foster... he went on to have some good results even after the Foster fight...DoubleM wrote:I recently watched Bob Foster's knockout of Mike Quarry for the first time, and it made me even more convinced that Foster was the hardest hitter, pound-for-pound, of all time. Quarry had never been stopped, and wasn't stopped afterwards until he was completely shot - a single Foster left hook knocked him senseless. Dick Tiger was known as one of the most durable fighters of all time, being stopped only once in his eighth fight - Foster knocked him out with one punch just like Quarry.
Foster's knockouts are very similar to Julian Jackson's... Only Foster knocked out more durable guys.
Yea - I hate it when people assume Tiger was 'shot' when Foster beat him.silkov wrote:Yes, and Tiger was far from shot when he fought Foster... he went on to have some good results even after the Foster fight...DoubleM wrote:I recently watched Bob Foster's knockout of Mike Quarry for the first time, and it made me even more convinced that Foster was the hardest hitter, pound-for-pound, of all time. Quarry had never been stopped, and wasn't stopped afterwards until he was completely shot - a single Foster left hook knocked him senseless. Dick Tiger was known as one of the most durable fighters of all time, being stopped only once in his eighth fight - Foster knocked him out with one punch just like Quarry.
Foster's knockouts are very similar to Julian Jackson's... Only Foster knocked out more durable guys.
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DoubleM wrote:Yea - I hate it when people assume Tiger was 'shot' when Foster beat him.silkov wrote:Yes, and Tiger was far from shot when he fought Foster... he went on to have some good results even after the Foster fight...DoubleM wrote:I recently watched Bob Foster's knockout of Mike Quarry for the first time, and it made me even more convinced that Foster was the hardest hitter, pound-for-pound, of all time. Quarry had never been stopped, and wasn't stopped afterwards until he was completely shot - a single Foster left hook knocked him senseless. Dick Tiger was known as one of the most durable fighters of all time, being stopped only once in his eighth fight - Foster knocked him out with one punch just like Quarry.
Foster's knockouts are very similar to Julian Jackson's... Only Foster knocked out more durable guys.
he defintley wasnt shot, he was past his prime and up a weight class but he was far from being shot. if u dont believe me, then explain to me how tiger beat a prime nino benvenuti after losing to foster.
- tigers peak was middle early 60s
- not to mention tiger looked good against foster before the knockout hurting foster with a couple big punches early
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DoubleM wrote:I seem to recall you saying on the 'other forum' Q, that Tiger was shot? Maybe I'm wrong.
no ur mistaken. I simply said tiger was old and past his prime and up a weight class which he was. tigers prime was middleweight in early 60s. but that doesnt mean tiger was shot when he fought foster. tiger was still the best light-H in the world and a very good fighter.