BoxRec

NOOOOO....I don't believe in date rape...Jesus...date rape and wanting to screw a very, very rich and famous Mike Tyson are way different!

Like I said, I don't know much about the actual case, or what happened in court, but I just have a hard time believing that a woman would put herself into that type of situation unless she knew exactly what she was doing! I'm certainly not trying to say that Tyson is misunderstood, or that he is a good guy because he isn't...he's has been a psycho of sorts, but he has also been victim to a lot of scams simply because he isn't smart enough and it is very easy for someone to take advantage of him, which in no way excuses any of his actions, but some things are very questionable and one of those I feel is the credibility of Washington!

I know it's a serious crime...the daughter of a neighbor of mine was a victim and I know another girl who was as well, both at the same university. I'm sure Washington was in a state of awe, but 18, or 40, going up to a mans hotel room in the early morning hours could only mean one thing, and like I said, if Washington was a gulliable idiot then she may have thought that she was going up for conversation with milk and cookies, but she was far from being an idiot!

Well it's a little different when it is a school girl at a college frat house as opposed to a fame-seeking girl, and she was seeking fame, who goes up to the room of zillionaire "Iron" Mike Tyson!

Stop reaching!

I lost all respect for him when I realised what a coward & bully he was.

He was exicting & vivacious in the late 1980's, but he disgraced the psort of boxing in the 1990's & should have been banned for life in 1997.

RazorKO wrote: Also im interested what other past rape he got away with.

That was a fairly well known story back in the day, but looking through my sources I can only find this brief mention of it;

"Jim Jacobs had confided to us that he had once paid the mother of a girl alleging uninvited sex with Tyson several thousand dollars to hush everything up. This was while Tyson was still a young amatuer." - page 76 of 'Mike Tyson: The Release of Power'

Along with that incident the book also mentions of other incidents pre-Washington where Tyson tried to get his way with girls/woman, including stories about the Erin Cosby incident, the one with Teddy Atlas, the Phylis Polaner sexual assault lawsuit, the parking lot incident with the attendant who came to the aid of a woman, the Manhatton nightclub incident where Tyson was fined for minor sexual assault on Sandra Miller, the female sails clerk in Albany, etc.

That's just a few mentions of previous incidents that were most easily found, but I'm sure there's others that can be found. And in speaking of the Desiree Washington trial;

"This time there was no Jim Jacobs or Cus D'Amato to get him off the hook, as had been the case with previous sex-driven incidents."

"First of all he (Tyson's lawyer) made the mistake of putting Tyson on the stand, and he depicted him as a notorious sexual predator."

Decagon wrote:

RazorKO wrote:Silkov Im interested to know the documentary where you said Washinton suffered injuries as Ive never heard of any injuries being found. Also im interested what other past rape he got away with.

Razor, simply read any account of the trial. Remember Robin Givins's testimony? About how Mike Tyson was rough in bed? That was used to retort the physical injuries that Givens sustained. Here's a quote from a VERY pro-Tyson website:

From Black Los Angeles
Even if you believe that he brutally raped her because her vaginal area was bruised, where were the bruises on her arms, legs, or even face? If there were a struggle and a brutal rape, then the tiny woman would have been banged up by Tyson, a man who beats on grown men for a living.

Ok thanks for that quote, Ill be interested in trying to find other things as well about the case.

Decagon wrote:Mike Tyson has lied as well. Can he be trusted? I watched both of them testify, and I believed Washington by far.

Anyway, why do Tyson supporters always say, "oh, he was only 15," when confronted with Tyson's molestation of an 11-year-old, but when confronted with something Washington did at age 15 - very briefly cry rape when her father gave her the third degree about losing her virginity - they think that what someone does at age 15 defines them for life? Washington didn't press charges against her boyfriend or anything of the sort; she just didn't know what to say when her father was yelling at her, and she lied.

Which of us hasn't lied to our parents?

I dont really know much about Tyson's molestation of Atlas's niece, where it happened or when etc but I know that Tyson was young - Of course that certainly doesnt excuse on what he did but he was young, he knew no disclipine, Cus did everything he wanted, he grew up in terrible poverty, no one to tell him right fron wrong etc. Of course other fighters like Patterson, Holmes, Foreman, Shavers, Frazier etc all grew up in poverty but they are had to work their way up to get where they were and Tyson went from being poor, to livng in Cus's middleclass house so he never learned the discpline that somene like Holmes had to learn to get where he was as Holmes was certainly born extremly poor.

Regarding Washington, crying rape to a man who didnt do it is absolutley disgraceful, personally Id be heart broken if a woman accused me of this awful crime.

RazorKO wrote:Ok thanks for that quote, Ill be interested in trying to find other things as well about the case.

Razor, that Reg Gutteridge (HOF'er) book that I mentioned in my previous post has 20+ pages on the particulars of the trial and seems to cover it in a pretty neutral light, as it lists possible arguments for both sides.

For a good start to your research on the case, you can check your local library for it's availibility.

I believe there's also a couple of other books that have been written that are mostly concentrated on the trial, but I'm drawing a blank on the titles at this very moment (I believe Garrison wrote one, and if I'm not mistaken, Dershowitz talks extensively about it in one of his books).

Otyson wrote:How do you rape your wife ????

This may be the most ignorant and offensive post I have read on this forum.

DoubleM wrote:

Otyson wrote:mike is some one to look up too i want to be just like him

You are so naive.

What aspects of Tysons life and pesonality do you wish to copy and admire the most?

The times he has spent in jail?
His streer fights?
The childish, abusive and ignorant comments he has come out with countless times in interviews?
The inability to control his temper?
Biting part of another mans era off?
The drinking and taking drugs?
The blowing of a huge fortune and ending up near broke in his late 30's?
Achieving almost no academic succsses?
Being arrested countless times?
Being interviewed in his late 30's on YV and admiting he must be one of the dumbest men in the world and he has countless regrets when looking back at his life?

Telll you the truth i wouldnt give a shit what he did out side the ring. To me mike tyson is a legend in the ring thats what he is to me but to you he is maybe just a a rapest or or whatever you think of him but to me he is the reson i love boxing

One can be pretty impressed with a Hurricane or a Tornado, have respect and perhaps admiration for it's formidable power but still wish it would not visit your home, or would go away rather soon if it happened to drop by.

Well even in the ring Tyson is hardly a legend in reality... this is a guy who has 'quit' in about 3 fights, bitten his way out of another, attacked and insulted opponents before fights and never avenged any of his pro defeats!.... what is there to admire in that???......

Randineous wrote:

RazorKO wrote:Ok thanks for that quote, Ill be interested in trying to find other things as well about the case.

Razor, that Reg Gutteridge (HOF'er) book that I mentioned in my previous post has 20+ pages on the particulars of the trial and seems to cover it in a pretty neutral light, as it lists possible arguments for both sides.

For a good start to your research on the case, you can check your local library for it's availibility.

I believe there's also a couple of other books that have been written that are mostly concentrated on the trial, but I'm drawing a blank on the titles at this very moment (I believe Garrison wrote one, and if I'm not mistaken, Dershowitz talks extensively about it in one of his books).

Thanks Randineous, Ill try and find that book online as Id be interested in reading it.

silkov wrote:Well even in the ring Tyson is hardly a legend in reality... this is a guy who has 'quit' in about 3 fights, bitten his way out of another, attacked and insulted opponents before fights and never avenged any of his pro defeats!.... what is there to admire in that???......

Come on Silkov give Tyson at least some respect on what he achieved in the ring, even Decagon did in his post and he seems very anti - Tyson!

Hate Tyson the man but dont hate what he did in the ring. I can not name one heavyweight who had the speed and the knockout power mixed in, Mike was really the complete package.

Another thing about the bite is that many people dont know that Tyson was actually winning that 3rd round! He had Holyfield in trouble so I very much doubt he bit him just to be prevented in being knocked out, he bit Holyfield for his many headbutts. Even Foreman said Holyfield was the dirtiest fighter hes ever faced and we know what tactics Ali used to beat Foreman!

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:Well even in the ring Tyson is hardly a legend in reality... this is a guy who has 'quit' in about 3 fights, bitten his way out of another, attacked and insulted opponents before fights and never avenged any of his pro defeats!.... what is there to admire in that???......

Come on Silkov give Tyson at least some respect on what he achieved in the ring, even Decagon did in his post and he seems very anti - Tyson!

Hate Tyson the man but dont hate what he did in the ring. I can not name one heavyweight who had the speed and the knockout power mixed in, Mike was really the complete package.

Another thing about the bite is that many people dont know that Tyson was actually winning that 3rd round! He had Holyfield in trouble so I very much doubt he bit him just to be prevented in being knocked out, he bit Holyfield for his many headbutts. Even Foreman said Holyfield was the dirtiest fighter hes ever faced and we know what tactics Ali used to beat Foreman!

But I'm just stating the facts... are we to take what Foreman says as gospel now?... no matter what Holyfield did to Tyson there was no escuse for the ear bite, ...why didn't he just butt Holyfield back?... I'll tell you why, because he was scared, he did just about the only thing he could have done which made sure he would be disqualified. Remember Tyson didn't bite Evander once, he did it twice!!. For all his flaws I had respect for Tyson as a fighter up to then, but I guy who does that deserves no respect and all the bitching about Evander being a dirty fighter is just a joke.....

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:Well even in the ring Tyson is hardly a legend in reality... this is a guy who has 'quit' in about 3 fights, bitten his way out of another, attacked and insulted opponents before fights and never avenged any of his pro defeats!.... what is there to admire in that???......

Come on Silkov give Tyson at least some respect on what he achieved in the ring, even Decagon did in his post and he seems very anti - Tyson!

Hate Tyson the man but dont hate what he did in the ring. I can not name one heavyweight who had the speed and the knockout power mixed in, Mike was really the complete package.

Another thing about the bite is that many people dont know that Tyson was actually winning that 3rd round! He had Holyfield in trouble so I very much doubt he bit him just to be prevented in being knocked out, he bit Holyfield for his many headbutts. Even Foreman said Holyfield was the dirtiest fighter hes ever faced and we know what tactics Ali used to beat Foreman!

But I'm just stating the facts... are we to take what Foreman says as gospel now?... no matter what Holyfield did to Tyson there was no escuse for the ear bite, ...why didn't he just butt Holyfield back?... I'll tell you why, because he was scared, he did just about the only thing he could have done which made sure he would be disqualified. Remember Tyson didn't bite Evander once, he did it twice!!. For all his flaws I had respect for Tyson as a fighter up to then, but I guy who does that deserves no respect and all the bitching about Evander being a dirty fighter is just a joke.....

You have only stated the negative facts and I assure you Tyson was no quitter. His fight with Douglas he took a pounding until his eventual defeat, he took Ruddock's best bombs and punched with him, his fight with Holyfield he showed grit and what about the Lewis fight where it took Lewis 8 rounds to eventually KO a spent old Mike Tyson.

And for the bite what do you mean he was scared? Tyson was the winning the damn round! He had Holyfield in trouble but Tyson snapped because of the many butts and the leading in with his head, and Hashim Rahman would testify to that, Rahman looked as though a fetous was on his head it looked that bad.

And Im sorry to say but Holyfield is a dirty fighter. Hes not as dirty as Tyson, Pedroza or Golota I admitt but he constantly broke the rules. In the book 'Boxng most wanted' He is ranked 10th the most dirtiest fighter in history - Tyson, Foreman, Lewis, Ruiz and most certainly Rahman have all complained about his butting

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote: Come on Silkov give Tyson at least some respect on what he achieved in the ring, even Decagon did in his post and he seems very anti - Tyson!

Hate Tyson the man but dont hate what he did in the ring. I can not name one heavyweight who had the speed and the knockout power mixed in, Mike was really the complete package.

Another thing about the bite is that many people dont know that Tyson was actually winning that 3rd round! He had Holyfield in trouble so I very much doubt he bit him just to be prevented in being knocked out, he bit Holyfield for his many headbutts. Even Foreman said Holyfield was the dirtiest fighter hes ever faced and we know what tactics Ali used to beat Foreman!

But I'm just stating the facts... are we to take what Foreman says as gospel now?... no matter what Holyfield did to Tyson there was no escuse for the ear bite, ...why didn't he just butt Holyfield back?... I'll tell you why, because he was scared, he did just about the only thing he could have done which made sure he would be disqualified. Remember Tyson didn't bite Evander once, he did it twice!!. For all his flaws I had respect for Tyson as a fighter up to then, but I guy who does that deserves no respect and all the bitching about Evander being a dirty fighter is just a joke.....

You have only stated the negative facts and I assure you Tyson was no quitter. His fight with Douglas he took a pounding until his eventual defeat, he took Ruddock's best bombs and punched with him, his fight with Holyfield he showed grit and what about the Lewis fight where it took Lewis 8 rounds to eventually KO a spent old Mike Tyson.

And for the bite what do you mean he was scared? Tyson was the winning the damn round! He had Holyfield in trouble but Tyson snapped because of the many butts and the leading in with his head, and Hashim Rahman would testify to that, Rahman looked as though a fetous was on his head it looked that bad.

And Im sorry to say but Holyfield is a dirty fighter. Hes not as dirty as Tyson, Pedroza or Golota I admitt but he constantly broke the rules. In the book 'Boxng most wanted' He is ranked 10th the most dirtiest fighter in history - Tyson, Foreman, Lewis, Ruiz and most certainly Rahman have all complained about his butting

Well the fact is there are a lot of negative facts about Tyson, if we're talking about Tyson then we should talk about the facts and sorry I am not one of those people who look at him through rose coloured glasses and think 'poor ole Mikey!'.
As for Holiyfield, it is totally ludicrous to defend Tysons biting of Evander by saying that Evander is/was a dirty fighter, ...Tyson is the dirtiest fighter I've ever seen by far and should never have been allowed in the ring again after the ear biting incident. People also like to overlook the dispicable things that Tyson said about Evander before their first fight. Tyson is a bully, who when he saw that he was up against a man who was not afraid of him and would beat him again, bit his way out of the fight... that makes Tyson in my book a dirty coward.... certainly not anyone deserving respect, ....I save my respect for real warroris like Evander Holyfield.

Well there have been several fighters throughout history who have bitten their opponent, though none have ever been as high profile as Tyson. I do feel sorry for Tyson as to how a lot of people have taken advantage of him, but I don't feel sorry for him blowing 300 miliion dollars and I don't feel sorry for what he has done to himself.

I have seen several fighters bite their opponents over the years, but Tyson is the only one that I have seen or heard of biting something off of his opponent... and not just once, ...TWICE!. There have always been a lot of leeches around Tyson but 95% of the troubles he has had have been brought onto him by himself.

I find it curious that many boxing followers (not all obviously) deride and insult Leon Spinks, yet at the same time 'respect' Tyson and proclaim him a legend, ...wjile obviously Spinks pro career doesn't live up to Tysons, I have far more respect for Leon as a man than I have for Tyson.....

RazorKO wrote:
You have only stated the negative facts and I assure you Tyson was no quitter. His fight with Douglas he took a pounding until his eventual defeat, he took Ruddock's best bombs and punched with him, his fight with Holyfield he showed grit and what about the Lewis fight where it took Lewis 8 rounds to eventually KO a spent old Mike Tyson.

He quit, that's why he bit his ear. I agree that Mike took his beating in the other fights you mention and he was never KO'd cheaply. BUT this was his second chance at a real career defining fight. I think against Douglas he was shocked at what was coming back at him and he did his best to try and get back on top. As for the Lewis fight I don't think he really thought he could win that one and after the debacle at the rpess conference he knew he ahd to calm down.

RazorKO wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

RazorKO wrote:
You have only stated the negative facts and I assure you Tyson was no quitter. His fight with Douglas he took a pounding until his eventual defeat, he took Ruddock's best bombs and punched with him, his fight with Holyfield he showed grit and what about the Lewis fight where it took Lewis 8 rounds to eventually KO a spent old Mike Tyson.

He quit, that's why he bit his ear. I agree that Mike took his beating in the other fights you mention and he was never KO'd cheaply. BUT this was his second chance at a real career defining fight. I think against Douglas he was shocked at what was coming back at him and he did his best to try and get back on top. As for the Lewis fight I don't think he really thought he could win that one and after the debacle at the rpess conference he knew he ahd to calm down.

RazorKO wrote:

He quit against Williams and Mcbride as well... after trying to bite Mcbrides nipple off!... :x

silkov wrote:I have seen several fighters bite their opponents over the years, but Tyson is the only one that I have seen or heard of biting something off of his opponent... and not just once, ...TWICE!. There have always been a lot of leeches around Tyson but 95% of the troubles he has had have been brought onto him by himself.

I find it curious that many boxing followers (not all obviously) deride and insult Leon Spinks, yet at the same time 'respect' Tyson and proclaim him a legend, ...wjile obviously Spinks pro career doesn't live up to Tysons, I have far more respect for Leon as a man than I have for Tyson.....

Well Silkov at least im willing to say both bad and good points about Tyson. I said the biting incident was wrong but I also state what brought him to do it, and as I already said previously that other fighters has bitten opponents before like Jumbo Cummings, Bentt, Golota and even Holyfield himself. Unfournetly Tyson is only remebered for it.

Tyson did bring problems to himself but you have to understand Tyson was used all through his life, he was just a niave kid with little education when he became a multi millionaire and celebrity - Because of this people took advantage of him and with Cus gone and Jacobs now passed - Who was there to look after him? And because Tyson was a kid he was steered away from trusted people like Bill Cayton and Rooney to Don King - But Tyson was just a kid! He shouldnt have to decide all that stuff!

People like King but esepcially Washington, Robin and Ruth Givens are living very comfortable lifes on the expense of Tyson and people fail to reliase Tyson has also been a victim.