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Well I say we fedex contracts out to both of them, and settle this hash once and for all.

elmersalsa wrote:Basilio schooled by a washed up Billy Graham???
Gavilan outboxed Basilio???

It seems to me that borinken has NEVER SEEN this fights to begin with. Secondly, I HAVE NEVER SEEN BASILIO BEING OUTBOXED BY ANYBODY, NOT EVEN THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL OUTBOXED HIM

BUt Tito was OUTBOXED THE WHOLE FIGHT BY WINKY...WITH A JAB!!!

I cannot see a GOOFY-GOOFY fighter like Tito beat a PRIME Basilio in no weight class.

And there are other fighters that would have beat Tito silly too:

Billy Graham would DEFINATELY OUTBOXED Tito
Gene Fullmer would have eat him for lunch at 160
Dick Tiger, Emile Griffith, Nino Benvenutti, Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Benny "Kid" Paret, and Gil Turner would have squashed Tito IN ANY WEIGHT CLASS.

At 154: Mike McCallum would have tear him apart with body shots...
Tommy Hearns would have assasinated him


at 147 with the great Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles??? NO chance!!!

with Benitez and Whitaker in his prime??? A boxing lesson
with Duran??? Duran would have thrown Tito and send him to the toilet.

Even an Aaron Pryor or Carlos Ortiz being 140 pounders would have beat Tito so bad, being Tito at 147.


borinken: You got to realize that Graham, Basilio and Robinson WERE NOT Yory Boy Campas my friend. These were TERRIFIC HALL OF FAMERS that could have lost to any other great fighter in any given night because of the TALENT AND CLASS of those days.

Elmersalsa my friend I give all the respect in the world at least you debate with respect and even that I disagree with your opinion the respect is there. Now this is also according to Boxrec.com: “Gavilan was down in the 2nd round for a nine-count, only the second knockdown of his career. Basilio was ahead at the end of six rounds, but Gavilan outboxed him the rest of the way” And I do agree he fought on era of great fighters, and he could’ve lost to any of the great on any given night, but he also lost to some mediocre fighters. I just don't see Basilio defeating Trinidad.

Oh, I never for an instant thought that Borinken might have actually seen any of those fights. If we were talking about boxing in a bar, and you asked him if Kid Gavilan or Carmen Basilio were southpaws, he'd have no clue. Without Boxrec, he's nothing.

Decagon you seem to have a talent for stupidity that nobody can match. I have seen Basilio fight and nothing and I mean nothing I have seen leads me to believe that he would’ve defeat Trinidad. His left hand so close the canvas will only help him on his way down and he is way susceptible to Trinidad’s best punch (Left Hook). So once again you are talking out your ass and like the clown you are. Boxrec is a legitimate source of boxing that I use and even according to Boxrec.com: "The 30-year old New Yorker, a masterful boxer, had no trouble in outscoring the willing but outclassed Basilio from start to finish. Graham, a dancing speedster, pumped tantalizing left jabs into Basilio's face until old cuts in Carmen's eyebrows oozed blood. Basilio's face was crimson from Graham's rasping right hand punches and straight lefts." Now if that is incorrect take with them.

BTW what is a southpaw? Is it somebody from South America?
I’m nothing without Boxrec and you are nothing without your alcohol. I suggest alcoholic anonymous.

Here enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oq8VtiVrL0
And this IS what would've happen to Basilio vs. Trinidad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhvg5VlAkNs

well the fullmer fight was past his prime and above his weight class.....not sure what that proves. But we can watch what Hopkins did to Trinidad when he was above his weight class and past his prime. It's a wash on that debate point.

BoxBuzz wrote:well the fullmer fight was past his prime and above his weight class.....not sure what that proves. But we can watch what Hopkins did to Trinidad when he was above his weight class and past his prime. It's a wash on that debate point.

But Boxbuzz was Graham prime when he defeated Basilio? And We never got to see the rematch between Trinidad and Hopkins, and please don't come back because it wasn't necessary because Graham did school Basilio and he got a rematch. Hopkins did not granted a rematch to Trinidad so we will never know.

now that my friend, is a completely different kettle of fish...and to provide you with the answer to that question does not help my position one iota.

So I'll forget you asked that one and provide some quick diversion. hey! what's that over there! Damn it's a Hot Air Balloon!!! Where did that come from?

BoxBuzz wrote:now that my friend, is a completely different kettle of fish...and to provide you with the answer to that question does not help my position one iota.

So I'll forget you asked that one and provide some quick diversion hey! what's that over there! Damn it's a Hot Air Balloon!!! Where did that come from?

Damn do you have a bell that sounds everytime I post on this thread?