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TheRock wrote:

emma wrote:

E wrote:
You don't care what weight he is????? Yet your original post rests the majority of its meaning on Amir's weight?

Just admit you're wrong, there's no shame.... the only shame is when people can't take a contructive point against their argument.

Happy Christmas

Ok so hes not a lightweight but hes registered as a lightweight. Either way his defence is rubbish .

What was that smile emoticons pic? You must be happy his defence is poor.

This is not a problem, he is still learning.. in fact it was great learning curve for him

Well what exactly has he learnt since he turned pro?... because I'm struggling to see any improvement, in fact all I see is him picking up more bad habits which will bite him on the arse when/if he finally faces someone who can really fight and punch... these are the same sort of flaws which eventually caught up with Hamed and Khan hasnt got Hameds power....

emma wrote:

TheRock wrote:

emma wrote:
Ok so hes not a lightweight but hes registered as a lightweight. Either way his defence is rubbish .

What was that smile emoticons pic? You must be happy his defence is poor.

This is not a problem, he is still learning.. in fact it was great learning curve for him

No the emotion pic is because Im right about his defence.

His defense sucks because he has yet to fight a heavy handed, excuse me, a slightly heavy handed fighter. He has no reason to worry about getting hit, no one he fights knocks anyone out.

Mattyp151 wrote:

emma wrote:

TheRock wrote: What was that smile emoticons pic? You must be happy his defence is poor.

This is not a problem, he is still learning.. in fact it was great learning curve for him

No the emotion pic is because Im right about his defence.

His defense sucks because he has yet to fight a heavy handed, excuse me, a slightly heavy handed fighter. He has no reason to worry about getting hit, no one he fights knocks anyone out.

So you think when he finally fights a 'puncher' say in his 40th fight or something he will magically come up with a great defence??... boxing doesnt work like that, you cant spend years fighting the wrong way and then suddenly change and do everything right on spec... try watching Hamed vs Barrera.... Hameds whole career of having a poor defence and making constant errors caught up with him that night, it almost caught up with him vs Kelley....

Would somebody answer this question, how can somebody whose been in the gym every day since the age of 11 be classed as a novice. I thank you.

Silkov is right. He's not going to create a defence out of nowhere. You need to develop those reflexes and movement, not magic it out of thin air when its finally required. Its been obvious for a while now he is open to punches. He's going to end up embarrassed long before he reachs Joel Casamayor.

What the hell does his trainer work on with him in the gym?

I saw Hatton ate right hands and thought he didn't have a chin after the Magee/tackie/Phillips fights shook him up. I predicted Tyszu to win inside of 3
Fighters can adapt and to be honest we'll never know about Khan until the heats turned up on him.

very funny livingstone!!

if he is a lightweight (which he isnt) then he should expect to fight light welters anyway. there arent many fighters who enter the ring the same weight as they were at the weigh in. (colin lynes does, which is why it was such a good performance against witter, who doesnt)

Yes, this is all true, you cannot suddenly turn someone into a defensive master, those reflex moves have to be ingrained in a fighter so that when they need to call on them, they are instinctive. Khan has skittering around the ring so much, and is sitting on his shots more, but his punch power doesn't seem to be all that at the moment. However, it's worth remembering that as an amateur, Tommy Hearns wasn't a big puncher, punch power is often something which is worked on after correct technique, and is definetly something which can be improved.

Khan needs to be worked on now if he's going to have any kind of defence, because there are some almighty punchers are lightweight, although in a few years, who knows who will be around at 140.

Thats just what boxing writers say about Hearns as an amateur. Aaron Pryor who actually fought Hearns as an amateur said he had big power even then.

Can't see Khan ever developing into a puncher. He cant knock these weak featherweights dead, he's not going to do it to anybody else i dont thinks...

Plenty of top fighters have poor defense, if Khans chin is good and he can fight like Morales, take a shot and fight fire with fire, his pressure and speed may make it to the top

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Plenty of top fighters have poor defense, if Khans chin is good and he can fight like Morales, take a shot and fight fire with fire, his pressure and speed may make it to the top

IMO if Kahn is going to rely on his speed he will need to tighten his defence, to fight like Morales you need enough power to keep the other guy honest, which he hasn't got.

overhand_right wrote:Thats just what boxing writers say about Hearns as an amateur. Aaron Pryor who actually fought Hearns as an amateur said he had big power even then.

Can't see Khan ever developing into a puncher. He cant knock these weak featherweights dead, he's not going to do it to anybody else i dont thinks...

It's actually what Manny Steward said.

which makes manny steward look like a guy who can instill incredible power into pit pat fighters

silkov wrote:

Mattyp151 wrote:

emma wrote: What was that smile emoticons pic? You must be happy his defence is poor.

This is not a problem, he is still learning.. in fact it was great learning curve for him

No the emotion pic is because Im right about his defence.

His defense sucks because he has yet to fight a heavy handed, excuse me, a slightly heavy handed fighter. He has no reason to worry about getting hit, no one he fights knocks anyone out.

So you think when he finally fights a 'puncher' say in his 40th fight or something he will magically come up with a great defence??... boxing doesnt work like that, you cant spend years fighting the wrong way and then suddenly change and do everything right on spec... try watching Hamed vs Barrera.... Hameds whole career of having a poor defence and making constant errors caught up with him that night, it almost caught up with him vs Kelley....[/quote]

Not at all, unless they get him in with people who have a chance to hurt him, he won't ever learn. Like Hamed, he never got put in with top notch punching talent, so when he did, he hit the deck a lot. Some balance, but some of it because he allowed himself to get caught squarely. I think we have a disconnect here. I'm agreeing that if they don't get him in with people who will make him pay from mistakes, he's going to plateau talent wise way sooner than he should.

harrygreb wrote:which makes manny steward look like a guy who can instill incredible power into pit pat fighters

Yes this is true, but he does have a history of improving fighters balance, timing and punch power.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

overhand_right wrote:Thats just what boxing writers say about Hearns as an amateur. Aaron Pryor who actually fought Hearns as an amateur said he had big power even then.

Can't see Khan ever developing into a puncher. He cant knock these weak featherweights dead, he's not going to do it to anybody else i dont thinks...

It's actually what Manny Steward said.

Plus Tommy hardly scored any ko's before turning pro. Surprised to hear Aaron said that, as I remember their fight as a fairly easy win for Pryor, with Hearns dancing around and popping out the jab. The video is avail for that one.

C'mon guys give Khan a chance to learns form this fights mistakes, criticise him if he doesnt learn anything. or we dont see any evidence of improvemnet.

This was his toughest fight and we di see Khan slightly change his style.

Also, surely the youngest are those who are more easily able to pick up new tricks, skills etc. Khan has a long time to change and adapt.

The Kdown was due to poor balance cos he had one foot the other side of the rope which he tried to take out the exact same time he got hit!

[quote="jamesmcdonnell"] However, it's worth remembering that as an amateur, Tommy Hearns wasn't a big puncher, quote]

But he sure was by the time he turned pro at 19...he ko`ed 15 of his first 28 opponents before winning a real world title...and thats not mentioning the TKO stoppages...but lets put it this way..only two of the 28 lasted the distance....the rest is history

Part of the problem is people mentioning Khan in the same breath as the true greats...Britain has never ever produced a fighter to compare against a Hearns..De La Hoya..Pryor..Barrera..Mayweather..and especially the current P4P..Manny Pacman...so what pressure do they steep on him to expect us to believe he will be any where near as good as them.

For me, Khan just lacks those special ingredients to make it anywhere near the top...the biggest being his lack of punch....that for me is the `get out of jail` card at world level.

The more ITV give him the big sell, the more it grates...he just doesn`t/can`t do what they promise...where is the excitement...he always looks physically bigger than his opponents so why hasn`t he ever scored a real KO??

Another Fr-Audley

Tonyevs, agree with you WORD FOR WORD.

And if/when Khan ends up in a tough dragged out hellish battle where his stamina is tested, he hits the deck or the going basically gets real f#ckin tough, what will motivate Khan?

Do pro's who get widespread media praise and mountains of money heaped upon them from their pro debut usually develop into tough hardened fighters? Do guys who go an easy 9-0 and already release biographys and DVDs and have million pound sponsorship deals have hunger?

Terrence, you'll struggle to name any other than De La Hoya and Leonard. And they were a hell of a lot more jaw dropping in their Olympics and early fights than Khan has been.

tonyevs wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: However, it's worth remembering that as an amateur, Tommy Hearns wasn't a big puncher, quote]

But he sure was by the time he turned pro at 19...he ko`ed 15 of his first 28 opponents before winning a real world title...and thats not mentioning the TKO stoppages...but lets put it this way..only two of the 28 lasted the distance....the rest is history

Part of the problem is people mentioning Khan in the same breath as the true greats...Britain has never ever produced a fighter to compare against a Hearns..De La Hoya..Pryor..Barrera..Mayweather..and especially the current P4P..Manny Pacman...so what pressure do they steep on him to expect us to believe he will be any where near as good as them.

For me, Khan just lacks those special ingredients to make it anywhere near the top...the biggest being his lack of punch....that for me is the `get out of jail` card at world level.

The more ITV give him the big sell, the more it grates...he just doesn`t/can`t do what they promise...where is the excitement...he always looks physically bigger than his opponents so why hasn`t he ever scored a real KO??

Another Fr-Audley

well, Lennox Lewis made 16 heavyweight title defences, had Bowe, Tyson and Holyfield ducking him for as long as they could, beat the two that would finally face him (after as many delays as poss), beat a load of big guys touted to knock him out such as Ruddock, Grant, Tua, stopped 2 future title holders (Klitschko & briggs), and avenged his two (hearns style) KO losses. But Lewis is as much Canadian and (he feels) Jamaican as British.

So what? Doesn't give him a free pass to be a good or even solid pro.

Leonard and De La Hoya he is not.

agree with the above, good post

Disagree with the above, bad post.

What is he learning? Certainly not defence. And he cant even ice featherweights with 0 kayos. The hype job is sickening, guy is a car crash waiting to happen.

I have strong views about sponsorship.