Posted: 04 May 2007, 14:34
No, I wouldn't either. Napoles' loss to Monzon shouldn't factor in at all when ranking him as a welterweight (147). I have never really thought about ranking Napoles as a middleweight (160).
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Posted: 05 May 2007, 13:50
Very decent list, I'd have Holmes over Louis but dont want to split hairs, however I dont think Lewis should be in at 7... he just didnt have the chin to be ranked that high imo... if Mccall and Rahman did what they did to Lewis I dread to think what a prime Frazier would have done to him.... I'd still rate Holifield over Lewis as an alltimer as I think at his best he would have beaten Lewis... and I'm English so dont say I'm biased!... Rex Layne is too high as well, strong tough and brave kid but he was never tought how to defend himself and he was never the best conditioned of fighters... Bugner, who you rated below him would have outboxed Layne quite easily imo... Bug should be much higher... he would have given Lewis a run for his money...
Posted: 05 May 2007, 13:54
Would you rate Alexis Arguello the same if he hadnt fought Pryorr?... I think a fighters opposition has a bearing on his all time rating win or lose... the Pryor fights certainly raise Arguellos all time rating for me higher than he would have been had he stayed at 135 and not fought Pryor...Ambling Alp wrote:No, I wouldn't either. Napoles' loss to Monzon shouldn't factor in at all when ranking him as a welterweight (147). I have never really thought about ranking Napoles as a middleweight (160).
Napoles fighting Monzon (when he was well past his best) underlines the fact that Jose was afraid of fighting noone... Monzon was a monster at that point and Napoles was really a natural Lightweight...
Posted: 05 May 2007, 15:18
What the fact that he was involved in probably the best fight of the 80s against Pryor doesnt enhance his standing??... I find that strange...Decagon wrote:Of course. I don't rank him at all at 140, and his losses to Pryor do nothing for his pound-for-pound status.silkov wrote:Would you rate Alexis Arguello the same if he hadnt fought Pryorr?...
Posted: 05 May 2007, 15:31
Why the obsession with nuts Dec??.... I know youre a arrogant redneck who cant take anyone elses opinion and discuss it gracefully but I'm still disapointed by youre rudeness... you reduce every thread you go on to a slanging match, I hope your proud!... keep up the medication!...Decagon wrote:Um, because he LOST. I know you like to nuthug fighters who lose every big fight they have, but I don't. Ivan Robinson was involved in two of the best fights of the 1990s, and he actually won.silkov wrote:What the fact that he was involved in probably the best fight of the 80s against Pryor doesnt enhance his standing??... I find that strange...
Anyway, I revamped my top 50:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Joe Frazier
6. Sonny Liston
7. George Foreman
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Mike Tyson
13. Gene Tunney
14. Ezzard Charles
15. Jersey Joe Walcott
16. Max Schmelling
17. Jim Jeffries
18. Sam Langford
19. Riddick Bowe
20. Floyd Patterson
21. Ken Norton
22. Jack Sharkey
23. Max Baer
24. Joe Jeannette
25. Jerry Quarry
26. Earnie Shavers
27. Michael Spinks
28. Jimmy Young
29. Harry Wills
30. John L. Sullivan
31. Tim Witherspoon
32. Archie Moore
33. George Godfrey
34. Sam McVey
35. James Corbett
36. Ingemar Johanssen
37. Ron Lyle
38. Chris Byrd
39. James Braddock
40. Elmer Ray
41. Pinklon Thomas
42. Harold Johnson
43. George Chuvalo
44. Cleveland Williams
45. Oscar Bonavena
46. John Ruiz
47. Joe Bugner
48. Gerry Cooney
49. Buster Douglas
50. Hasim Rahman
8)Posted: 05 May 2007, 15:40
Seems your IQ has not improved in the meantime.Decagon wrote:Um, because he LOST. I know you like to nuthug fighters who lose every big fight they have, but I don't. Ivan Robinson was involved in two of the best fights of the 1990s, and he actually won.silkov wrote:What the fact that he was involved in probably the best fight of the 80s against Pryor doesnt enhance his standing??... I find that strange...
Anyway, I revamped my top 50:
38. Chris Byrd
Posted: 05 May 2007, 15:44
And its pure stupidity to think that a fighters reputation can only be enhanced by fights that he wins!... some fighters give their best career performances in fights they lose.... Ayala vs Lopez, Mancini vs ARguello, Moran vs Attell, Mugubi vs Hagler... Lopez vs Saad... I suppose all these losing fights should be ignored when rating the particular fighters!....Decagon wrote:Um, because he LOST. I know you like to nuthug fighters who lose every big fight they have, but I don't. Ivan Robinson was involved in two of the best fights of the 1990s, and he actually won.silkov wrote:What the fact that he was involved in probably the best fight of the 80s against Pryor doesnt enhance his standing??... I find that strange...
Anyway, I revamped my top 50:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Joe Frazier
6. Sonny Liston
7. George Foreman
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Mike Tyson
13. Gene Tunney
14. Ezzard Charles
15. Jersey Joe Walcott
16. Max Schmelling
17. Jim Jeffries
18. Sam Langford
19. Riddick Bowe
20. Floyd Patterson
21. Ken Norton
22. Jack Sharkey
23. Max Baer
24. Joe Jeannette
25. Jerry Quarry
26. Earnie Shavers
27. Michael Spinks
28. Jimmy Young
29. Harry Wills
30. John L. Sullivan
31. Tim Witherspoon
32. Archie Moore
33. George Godfrey
34. Sam McVey
35. James Corbett
36. Ingemar Johanssen
37. Ron Lyle
38. Chris Byrd
39. James Braddock
40. Elmer Ray
41. Pinklon Thomas
42. Harold Johnson
43. George Chuvalo
44. Cleveland Williams
45. Oscar Bonavena
46. John Ruiz
47. Joe Bugner
48. Gerry Cooney
49. Buster Douglas
50. Hasim Rahman
8)Posted: 05 May 2007, 15:45
pundit wrote:Seems your IQ has not improved in the meantime.Decagon wrote:Um, because he LOST. I know you like to nuthug fighters who lose every big fight they have, but I don't. Ivan Robinson was involved in two of the best fights of the 1990s, and he actually won.silkov wrote:What the fact that he was involved in probably the best fight of the 80s against Pryor doesnt enhance his standing??... I find that strange...
Anyway, I revamped my top 50:
38. Chris Byrd
nor have his manners!...
Posted: 05 May 2007, 16:29
How interesting.Decagon wrote:I ended up dropping a lot of the recent fighters, like the Klitschkos, Byrd, Tua, Rahman and Ibeabuchi.
Posted: 05 May 2007, 18:27
Decagon wrote:I ended up dropping a lot of the recent fighters, like the Klitschkos, Byrd, Tua, Rahman and Ibeabuchi.
Whats Byrd doing in at 38 then??.... :x
8) 
Posted: 05 May 2007, 20:36
I guess he meant 380 but forgot a zero.silkov wrote:Decagon wrote:I ended up dropping a lot of the recent fighters, like the Klitschkos, Byrd, Tua, Rahman and Ibeabuchi.
Whats Byrd doing in at 38 then??.... :x
Posted: 06 May 2007, 08:27
I doubt that he can count beyond 100!...pundit wrote:I guess he meant 380 but forgot a zero.silkov wrote:Decagon wrote:I ended up dropping a lot of the recent fighters, like the Klitschkos, Byrd, Tua, Rahman and Ibeabuchi.
Whats Byrd doing in at 38 then??.... :x
8)Posted: 06 May 2007, 08:30
How can you rate Rex Layne so high??.... Layne was just a tough kid with too much heart... most of the fighters youve rated below him would have murdered him!... and Byrd at 42 above the likes of Page, Dokes, Norfolk etc etc etc... is just plain silly!...Decagon wrote:He was higher. I now have him at #42, between Chuvalo and Bonavena. That's fair. I've also gotten up to 100:silkov wrote:Decagon wrote:I ended up dropping a lot of the recent fighters, like the Klitschkos, Byrd, Tua, Rahman and Ibeabuchi.
Whats Byrd doing in at 38 then??.... :x
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Joe Frazier
6. Sonny Liston
7. George Foreman
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Mike Tyson
13. Gene Tunney
14. Ezzard Charles
15. Jersey Joe Walcott
16. Max Schmelling
17. Jim Jeffries
18. Sam Langford
19. Riddick Bowe
20. Floyd Patterson
21. Ken Norton
22. Jack Sharkey
23. Max Baer
24. Joe Jeannette
25. Jerry Quarry
26. Earnie Shavers
27. Michael Spinks
28. Jimmy Young
29. Harry Wills
30. John L. Sullivan
31. Tim Witherspoon
32. Archie Moore
33. George Godfrey
34. Sam McVey
35. James Corbett
36. Ingemar Johanssen
37. Ron Lyle
38. James Braddock
39. Elmer Ray
40. Harold Johnson
41. George Chuvalo
42. Chris Byrd
43. Oscar Bonavena
44. Cleveland Williams
45. Pinklon Thomas
46. John Ruiz
47. Joe Bugner
48. Gerry Cooney
49. Buster Douglas
50. Hasim Rahman
51. Harry Greb
52. Tommy Burns
53. Peter Jackson
54. Michael Moorer
55. Jimmy Ellis
56. Ernie Terrel
57. Eddie Machen
58. Tom Sharkey
59. Zora Foley
60. David Tua
61. Ike Ibeabuchi
62. Wladimir Klitschko
63. Vitali Klitschko
64. Bob Fitzsimmons
65. Marvin Hart
66. Tony Tubbs
67. Billy Conn
68. Jimmy Bivins
69. Rex Layne
70. Tony Tucker
71. Clarence Henry
72. Oliver McCall
73. Bonecrusher Smith
74. Greg Page
75. Tiger Jack Fox
76. Tommy Loughran
77. Trevor Berbick
78. James Toney
79. Razor Ruddock
80. John Tate
81. John Henry Lewis
82. Mike Weaver
83. Primo Carnera
84. Buddy Baer
85. Earnie Schaaf
86. Jess Willard
87. Roy Jones
88. Fred Fulton
89. Billy Miske
90. Gunboat Smith
91. Joe Choynski
92. Michael Dokes
93. Bearcat Wright
94. Tommy Gibbons
95. Joey Maxim
96. Kid Norfolk
97. Nino Valdes
98. Ray Mercer
99. Neil Clisby
100. Johnny Risko
Posted: 06 May 2007, 11:53
I don't beleive it is possible to thread the needle and rank 100, or even 50 fighters accuratly against each other. Way too many varaiables. But I always chuckle when I see Lennox Lewis in the top 10 or 15 on these types of lists.
There is nothing in his resume to justify him even being top 20, and there are some good arguements to exclude him even from the top 25.
It took Lewis 2 tries to beat Mccall and Rahman.
He was beat to the punch for 5 rounds before he threw an eyes closed haymaker to catch Frank Bruno, then held him against the ropes with his left and threw rights till the fight was stopped.
Take away a cut and an over zealous referee, and he Vitali Klitschko knocks him off in his final fight.
Had Razor Ruddock and Tony Tucker been in their pre 1990s form when they fought, no way Lewis beats either one of them
Mike Tyson in his prime takes out Lewis in 4 or less.
In the late 60s, 70s, and even early 80s, Lewis at the top of his game is at best a fringe contender. Ken Norton, Ernie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Tim Witherspoon, Pinklon Thomas, Greg Page, Michael Spinks, Jimmy Ellis, Tony Tubbs, Michael Dokes, Ernie Terrell and Jimmy Young all beat Lewis in their primes, and George Chuvallo, Jerry Quarry and Cleveland Williams probably all out work and out last him,
If Ike Ibeabuchi stays out of jail, he beats Lewis in a laugher, and if Lewis was in his prime today, Wladimir Klitschko and Sam Peter both outpoint him, and possibly take him out.
In an all time greats list, Lewis belongs somewhere in the same order as an Ingemar Johanssen or a John Tate
There is nothing in his resume to justify him even being top 20, and there are some good arguements to exclude him even from the top 25.
It took Lewis 2 tries to beat Mccall and Rahman.
He was beat to the punch for 5 rounds before he threw an eyes closed haymaker to catch Frank Bruno, then held him against the ropes with his left and threw rights till the fight was stopped.
Take away a cut and an over zealous referee, and he Vitali Klitschko knocks him off in his final fight.
Had Razor Ruddock and Tony Tucker been in their pre 1990s form when they fought, no way Lewis beats either one of them
Mike Tyson in his prime takes out Lewis in 4 or less.
In the late 60s, 70s, and even early 80s, Lewis at the top of his game is at best a fringe contender. Ken Norton, Ernie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Tim Witherspoon, Pinklon Thomas, Greg Page, Michael Spinks, Jimmy Ellis, Tony Tubbs, Michael Dokes, Ernie Terrell and Jimmy Young all beat Lewis in their primes, and George Chuvallo, Jerry Quarry and Cleveland Williams probably all out work and out last him,
If Ike Ibeabuchi stays out of jail, he beats Lewis in a laugher, and if Lewis was in his prime today, Wladimir Klitschko and Sam Peter both outpoint him, and possibly take him out.
In an all time greats list, Lewis belongs somewhere in the same order as an Ingemar Johanssen or a John Tate
Posted: 06 May 2007, 13:27
Hahahaha . . Sam Peter and Greg Page beat Lennox Lewis??? . . .you are so delusional it's not even worth an argument.cosand wrote:I don't beleive it is possible to thread the needle and rank 100, or even 50 fighters accuratly against each other. Way too many varaiables. But I always chuckle when I see Lennox Lewis in the top 10 or 15 on these types of lists.
There is nothing in his resume to justify him even being top 20, and there are some good arguements to exclude him even from the top 25.
It took Lewis 2 tries to beat Mccall and Rahman.
He was beat to the punch for 5 rounds before he threw an eyes closed haymaker to catch Frank Bruno, then held him against the ropes with his left and threw rights till the fight was stopped.
Take away a cut and an over zealous referee, and he Vitali Klitschko knocks him off in his final fight.
Had Razor Ruddock and Tony Tucker been in their pre 1990s form when they fought, no way Lewis beats either one of them
Mike Tyson in his prime takes out Lewis in 4 or less.
In the late 60s, 70s, and even early 80s, Lewis at the top of his game is at best a fringe contender. Ken Norton, Ernie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Tim Witherspoon, Pinklon Thomas, Greg Page, Michael Spinks, Jimmy Ellis, Tony Tubbs, Michael Dokes, Ernie Terrell and Jimmy Young all beat Lewis in their primes, and George Chuvallo, Jerry Quarry and Cleveland Williams probably all out work and out last him,
If Ike Ibeabuchi stays out of jail, he beats Lewis in a laugher, and if Lewis was in his prime today, Wladimir Klitschko and Sam Peter both outpoint him, and possibly take him out.
In an all time greats list, Lewis belongs somewhere in the same order as an Ingemar Johanssen or a John Tate
Posted: 06 May 2007, 15:02
sorry but this was the dumbest post evercosand wrote:I don't beleive it is possible to thread the needle and rank 100, or even 50 fighters accuratly against each other. Way too many varaiables. But I always chuckle when I see Lennox Lewis in the top 10 or 15 on these types of lists.
There is nothing in his resume to justify him even being top 20, and there are some good arguements to exclude him even from the top 25.
It took Lewis 2 tries to beat Mccall and Rahman.
He was beat to the punch for 5 rounds before he threw an eyes closed haymaker to catch Frank Bruno, then held him against the ropes with his left and threw rights till the fight was stopped.
Take away a cut and an over zealous referee, and he Vitali Klitschko knocks him off in his final fight.
Had Razor Ruddock and Tony Tucker been in their pre 1990s form when they fought, no way Lewis beats either one of them
Mike Tyson in his prime takes out Lewis in 4 or less.
In the late 60s, 70s, and even early 80s, Lewis at the top of his game is at best a fringe contender. Ken Norton, Ernie Shavers, Ron Lyle, Tim Witherspoon, Pinklon Thomas, Greg Page, Michael Spinks, Jimmy Ellis, Tony Tubbs, Michael Dokes, Ernie Terrell and Jimmy Young all beat Lewis in their primes, and George Chuvallo, Jerry Quarry and Cleveland Williams probably all out work and out last him,
If Ike Ibeabuchi stays out of jail, he beats Lewis in a laugher, and if Lewis was in his prime today, Wladimir Klitschko and Sam Peter both outpoint him, and possibly take him out.
In an all time greats list, Lewis belongs somewhere in the same order as an Ingemar Johanssen or a John Tate
Posted: 06 May 2007, 17:36
...still one "l" to much.Decagon wrote: 16. Max Schmelling
...but well deserved place for Max among the Top 20 (I guess cosand would disagree ;).
Posted: 07 May 2007, 10:30
Well I'd say its a pretty good list overall, my main quibbles would be Byrd and Tua being ranked too high... Tua is/was extremely limited and I dont see him beating many of the guys rated below him... Lennox Lewis is too high as well considering that he was beaten and given hell by fighters ranked well below him... but other than that youre going in the right direction...Decagon wrote:Excellent point. He looks ridiculous between Tony Tucker and Jimmy Bivins. Here's my new list:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Joe Frazier
6. Sonny Liston
7. George Foreman
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Mike Tyson
13. Gene Tunney
14. Ezzard Charles
15. Jersey Joe Walcott
16. Max Schmelling
17. Jim Jeffries
18. Sam Langford
19. Riddick Bowe
20. Floyd Patterson
21. Ken Norton
22. Jack Sharkey
23. Max Baer
24. Joe Jeannette
25. Jerry Quarry
26. Earnie Shavers
27. Michael Spinks
28. Jimmy Young
29. Harry Wills
30. John L. Sullivan
31. Tim Witherspoon
32. Archie Moore
33. George Godfrey
34. Sam McVey
35. James Corbett
36. Ingemar Johanssen
37. Ron Lyle
38. James Braddock
39. Elmer Ray
40. Harold Johnson
41. George Chuvalo
42. Chris Byrd
43. Oscar Bonavena
44. Cleveland Williams
45. Pinklon Thomas
46. John Ruiz
47. Joe Bugner
48. Gerry Cooney
49. Buster Douglas
50. Hasim Rahman
51. Harry Greb
52. Tommy Burns
53. Peter Jackson
54. Michael Moorer
55. Jimmy Ellis
56. Ernie Terrel
57. Eddie Machen
58. Tom Sharkey
59. Zora Foley
60. David Tua
61. Ike Ibeabuchi
62. Wladimir Klitschko
63. Vitali Klitschko
64. Bob Fitzsimmons
65. Marvin Hart
66. Tony Tubbs
67. Billy Conn
68. Jimmy Bivins
69. Tony Tucker
70. Clarence Henry
71. Oliver McCall
72. Bonecrusher Smith
73. Greg Page
74. Tiger Jack Fox
75. Tommy Loughran
76. Trevor Berbick
77. James Toney
78. Razor Ruddock
79. John Tate
80. Mike Weaver
81. John Henry Lewis
82. Primo Carnera
83. Buddy Baer
84. Jess Willard
85. Earnie Schaaf
86. Roy Jones
87. Gunboat Smith
88. Fred Fulton
89. Billy Miske
90. Joe Choynski
91. Michael Dokes
92. Tommy Gibbons
93. Bearcat Wright
94. Joey Maxim
95. Kid Norfolk
96. Nino Valdes
97. Ray Mercer
98. Neil Clisby
99. Johnny Risko
100. Roland LaStarza
Posted: 07 May 2007, 21:14
silkov wrote:How can you rate Rex Layne so high??.... Layne was just a tough kid with too much heart... most of the fighters youve rated below him would have murdered him!... and Byrd at 42 above the likes of Page, Dokes, Norfolk etc etc etc... is just plain silly!...Decagon wrote:He was higher. I now have him at #42, between Chuvalo and Bonavena. That's fair. I've also gotten up to 100:silkov wrote:
Whats Byrd doing in at 38 then??.... :x
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Joe Frazier
6. Sonny Liston
7. George Foreman
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Mike Tyson
13. Gene Tunney
14. Ezzard Charles
15. Jersey Joe Walcott
16. Max Schmelling
17. Jim Jeffries
18. Sam Langford
19. Riddick Bowe
20. Floyd Patterson
21. Ken Norton
22. Jack Sharkey
23. Max Baer
24. Joe Jeannette
25. Jerry Quarry
26. Earnie Shavers
27. Michael Spinks
28. Jimmy Young
29. Harry Wills
30. John L. Sullivan
31. Tim Witherspoon
32. Archie Moore
33. George Godfrey
34. Sam McVey
35. James Corbett
36. Ingemar Johanssen
37. Ron Lyle
38. James Braddock
39. Elmer Ray
40. Harold Johnson
41. George Chuvalo
42. Chris Byrd
43. Oscar Bonavena
44. Cleveland Williams
45. Pinklon Thomas
46. John Ruiz
47. Joe Bugner
48. Gerry Cooney
49. Buster Douglas
50. Hasim Rahman
51. Harry Greb
52. Tommy Burns
53. Peter Jackson
54. Michael Moorer
55. Jimmy Ellis
56. Ernie Terrel
57. Eddie Machen
58. Tom Sharkey
59. Zora Foley
60. David Tua
61. Ike Ibeabuchi
62. Wladimir Klitschko
63. Vitali Klitschko
64. Bob Fitzsimmons
65. Marvin Hart
66. Tony Tubbs
67. Billy Conn
68. Jimmy Bivins
69. Rex Layne
70. Tony Tucker
71. Clarence Henry
72. Oliver McCall
73. Bonecrusher Smith
74. Greg Page
75. Tiger Jack Fox
76. Tommy Loughran
77. Trevor Berbick
78. James Toney
79. Razor Ruddock
80. John Tate
81. John Henry Lewis
82. Mike Weaver
83. Primo Carnera
84. Buddy Baer
85. Earnie Schaaf
86. Jess Willard
87. Roy Jones
88. Fred Fulton
89. Billy Miske
90. Gunboat Smith
91. Joe Choynski
92. Michael Dokes
93. Bearcat Wright
94. Tommy Gibbons
95. Joey Maxim
96. Kid Norfolk
97. Nino Valdes
98. Ray Mercer
99. Neil Clisby
100. Johnny Risko
rex layne beat TWO linear HW champs walcott and charles, how mant fighters can say that? he took bob satterfields best punches to come back and KO satterfield, something baker and valdez couldnt do.
layne at his peak was 34-1 a great record Layne defeated Satterfield, Thompson, Dunlap, Kahut, and Brion, all highly rated heavyweights about the
time he fought them.
decagon having him there is not a bad ranking, dont listen to that anti marciano bias fool silkov.
Posted: 08 May 2007, 07:09
I'm sure Dec can think for himself son,BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:silkov wrote:How can you rate Rex Layne so high??.... Layne was just a tough kid with too much heart... most of the fighters youve rated below him would have murdered him!... and Byrd at 42 above the likes of Page, Dokes, Norfolk etc etc etc... is just plain silly!...Decagon wrote:He was higher. I now have him at #42, between Chuvalo and Bonavena. That's fair. I've also gotten up to 100:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Joe Frazier
6. Sonny Liston
7. George Foreman
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Lennox Lewis
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Mike Tyson
13. Gene Tunney
14. Ezzard Charles
15. Jersey Joe Walcott
16. Max Schmelling
17. Jim Jeffries
18. Sam Langford
19. Riddick Bowe
20. Floyd Patterson
21. Ken Norton
22. Jack Sharkey
23. Max Baer
24. Joe Jeannette
25. Jerry Quarry
26. Earnie Shavers
27. Michael Spinks
28. Jimmy Young
29. Harry Wills
30. John L. Sullivan
31. Tim Witherspoon
32. Archie Moore
33. George Godfrey
34. Sam McVey
35. James Corbett
36. Ingemar Johanssen
37. Ron Lyle
38. James Braddock
39. Elmer Ray
40. Harold Johnson
41. George Chuvalo
42. Chris Byrd
43. Oscar Bonavena
44. Cleveland Williams
45. Pinklon Thomas
46. John Ruiz
47. Joe Bugner
48. Gerry Cooney
49. Buster Douglas
50. Hasim Rahman
51. Harry Greb
52. Tommy Burns
53. Peter Jackson
54. Michael Moorer
55. Jimmy Ellis
56. Ernie Terrel
57. Eddie Machen
58. Tom Sharkey
59. Zora Foley
60. David Tua
61. Ike Ibeabuchi
62. Wladimir Klitschko
63. Vitali Klitschko
64. Bob Fitzsimmons
65. Marvin Hart
66. Tony Tubbs
67. Billy Conn
68. Jimmy Bivins
69. Rex Layne
70. Tony Tucker
71. Clarence Henry
72. Oliver McCall
73. Bonecrusher Smith
74. Greg Page
75. Tiger Jack Fox
76. Tommy Loughran
77. Trevor Berbick
78. James Toney
79. Razor Ruddock
80. John Tate
81. John Henry Lewis
82. Mike Weaver
83. Primo Carnera
84. Buddy Baer
85. Earnie Schaaf
86. Jess Willard
87. Roy Jones
88. Fred Fulton
89. Billy Miske
90. Gunboat Smith
91. Joe Choynski
92. Michael Dokes
93. Bearcat Wright
94. Tommy Gibbons
95. Joey Maxim
96. Kid Norfolk
97. Nino Valdes
98. Ray Mercer
99. Neil Clisby
100. Johnny Risko
rex layne beat TWO linear HW champs walcott and charles, how mant fighters can say that? he took bob satterfields best punches to come back and KO satterfield, something baker and valdez couldnt do.
layne at his peak was 34-1 a great record Layne defeated Satterfield, Thompson, Dunlap, Kahut, and Brion, all highly rated heavyweights about the
time he fought them.
decagon having him there is not a bad ranking, dont listen to that anti marciano bias fool silkov.
...I see your Marciano complex is still burning strong Brock!... 
....I dont hate Marciano at all, I'm just not a biased lover of him like you.... your problem is that you dont know the facts... Walcott didnt even bother training for Lane and went into the fight with a roll of fat round his middle... Thompson, Dunlap, Kahat and Brion were hardly all time greats!... Lane was tough and had a big heart but he dont belong in the top 100, if you think otherwise good for you (you probably rate him in the top 20! ) ...but dont fret about it!... you really need to move on from your Marcinao fixation, its getting silly!... 
Posted: 10 May 2007, 02:00
stupid brit. stop being so stuck up.
Posted: 10 May 2007, 09:21
Stop taking everything so personally and grow up little boy... worshiping Marciano is one thing but having a thing for Rex Lane is pretty sad!...BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:stupid brit. stop being so stuck up.
Posted: 10 May 2007, 11:06
I have to agree with Dec and BB and see no reason for anyone to passionately question Rex Layne as a top 100 ATG HW. As Brocky noted, he beat a number of world class HWs and was a top contender for a few years. While he’s probably not going to make anybody’s top 20, he’s certainly as acceptable as just about anybody else in the 40+ position of the lists posted. I think once you get past the top 30 or so in these lists, there’s probably over 200 fighters that could be included in the remaining 70 slots, it’s just more a matter of who you are familiar with.
It’s nice to see a guy like Choynski in a few lists, even though at 5-9 and about 170 it’s hard even for me to give him very good marks in the head to head part of my rating process. But he was one of the best HWs for close to a decade and beat a slew of top guys, so he certainly belongs in the list at least as much as many of the more recent HWs who seem to have spent most of their careers avoiding world class opponents.
It would be nice to see more of the top HWs from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s in these lists, but it’s very hard to rate them because most of us don’t know enough about guys like Goddard, the first George Godfrey, Killen, McAulife, Martin, etc. to adequately rank them.
It’s nice to see a guy like Choynski in a few lists, even though at 5-9 and about 170 it’s hard even for me to give him very good marks in the head to head part of my rating process. But he was one of the best HWs for close to a decade and beat a slew of top guys, so he certainly belongs in the list at least as much as many of the more recent HWs who seem to have spent most of their careers avoiding world class opponents.
It would be nice to see more of the top HWs from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s in these lists, but it’s very hard to rate them because most of us don’t know enough about guys like Goddard, the first George Godfrey, Killen, McAulife, Martin, etc. to adequately rank them.
Posted: 10 May 2007, 14:10
I'm not passionately against Layne but just dont consider him to be worthy of the position that Dec originally put him in... thats my opinion and Dec actually agreed with me on this point and revised his list... its Brockton who is throwing his rattle out of his pram and turning this issue into a personal argument... this is a debating forum and people should be able to air their opinions without the Marciano thought police blowing a gasket when ever you indicate that perhaps Marcinao wasnt really Superman and some of his opponents like Lane were actually rather limited... I've seen plenty of Lane and he was very limited... end of story!...The Great John L wrote:I have to agree with Dec and BB and see no reason for anyone to passionately question Rex Layne as a top 100 ATG HW. As Brocky noted, he beat a number of world class HWs and was a top contender for a few years. While he’s probably not going to make anybody’s top 20, he’s certainly as acceptable as just about anybody else in the 40+ position of the lists posted. I think once you get past the top 30 or so in these lists, there’s probably over 200 fighters that could be included in the remaining 70 slots, it’s just more a matter of who you are familiar with.
It’s nice to see a guy like Choynski in a few lists, even though at 5-9 and about 170 it’s hard even for me to give him very good marks in the head to head part of my rating process. But he was one of the best HWs for close to a decade and beat a slew of top guys, so he certainly belongs in the list at least as much as many of the more recent HWs who seem to have spent most of their careers avoiding world class opponents.
It would be nice to see more of the top HWs from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s in these lists, but it’s very hard to rate them because most of us don’t know enough about guys like Goddard, the first George Godfrey, Killen, McAulife, Martin, etc. to adequately rank them.
Posted: 10 May 2007, 16:12
I'm not passionately against Layne but just dont consider him to be worthy of the position that Dec originally put him in... thats my opinion and Dec actually agreed with me on this point and revised his list... its Brockton who is throwing his rattle out of his pram and turning this issue into a personal argument... this is a debating forum and people should be able to air their opinions without the Marciano thought police blowing a gasket when ever you indicate that perhaps Marcinao wasnt really Superman and some of his opponents like Lane were actually rather limited... I've seen plenty of Lane and he was very limited... end of story!...[/quote]silkov wrote:The Great John L wrote:I have to agree with Dec and BB and see no reason for anyone to passionately question Rex Layne as a top 100 ATG HW. As Brocky noted, he beat a number of world class HWs and was a top contender for a few years. While he’s probably not going to make anybody’s top 20, he’s certainly as acceptable as just about anybody else in the 40+ position of the lists posted. I think once you get past the top 30 or so in these lists, there’s probably over 200 fighters that could be included in the remaining 70 slots, it’s just more a matter of who you are familiar with.
It’s nice to see a guy like Choynski in a few lists, even though at 5-9 and about 170 it’s hard even for me to give him very good marks in the head to head part of my rating process. But he was one of the best HWs for close to a decade and beat a slew of top guys, so he certainly belongs in the list at least as much as many of the more recent HWs who seem to have spent most of their careers avoiding world class opponents.
It would be nice to see more of the top HWs from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s in these lists, but it’s very hard to rate them because most of us don’t know enough about guys like Goddard, the first George Godfrey, Killen, McAulife, Martin, etc. to adequately rank them.
You seem to be contradicting yourself slightly, in one breath you state this is a 'debating forum and people should be able to air their opinions' and then you state 'end of story'. Surely if you wish people to air their opinions with you then you should ease up the 'end of story' and listen a bit more. That's kind of how a debate works, they have a turn, you have a turn, no 'end of story' needed. That just sounds as though it is you 'throwing the rattle out of the pram.'
Anyway, rant over. I tend to agree with Brock and John L, Layne was a boxer of quality, certainly enough to be added into a top 100 at a decent place. Layne came of the win from Walcott and backed it up with a great performance against Bob Satterfield catapulting Layne into the paths of Marciano, Matthews, Charles and Baker with creditable performances put in despite few wins.