mayorga vs vargas press conference punch up

oliverfennell
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Post by oliverfennell »

DavidPayne wrote:I'm no fuirther forward after that Ollie.

World class is about ability not belts, era or performances.

To me
ABILITY is not the best gauge. Ability does not necessarily translate to achievements.

I know the era argument is open to criticism, but any given boxer can only be judged by the environment in which he operates. For example, would you argue ONLY Wladimir Klitschko is a world class heavyweight?

World class is a contemporary definition, rather than a historical one. Beyond that, we are arguing greatness, not world class-ness.

So, IMO, Mayorga was once world class, by beating a handful of top 10 opponents of the time, riding high in the top 10 himself, and holding a meaningful world championship. Historically, he's not even within sniffing distance of greatness, by judged on the standards of the time in which he spent his prime, he qualified as world class - due to ACHIEVEMENTS/RESULTS, which at the end of the day are a helluva lot more quantifiable than ability.
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Post by Goz »

Captain Hook wrote:Amen to that James,

they're both big mouthed effing punks whose mouths outweight their achievements so let's hope they beat each other to a pulp....
Bit uncalled for, they might be ginger but they are still women at the end of the day....
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Post by Captain Hook »

That's fair enough...

...there are few who maintain world class even in defeat - Barrera, Morales, Hopkins, DLH - and for a period of years, and I guess that's why these guys and not the likes of Vargas and Mayorga will march into the HOF.
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Post by Captain Hook »

Goz - that Julianne Moore is a right twat, I saw her in Rhyl Suncentre once, effing and blinding at kids....

Biiiitch.... :TU:
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Post by DavidPayne »

Who was world class.

George Best

or

Dunga?
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